You don’t get smarter in college, you just memorize protocol. That’s literally it. I’m in STEM at 4th year and I am yet to be taught anything besides protocol.
But I mean, the protocol is very useful, especially the math, and you will become proficient at what you were taught to do, but I by no means have a more valuable opinion on anything outside of electrical engineering just because I am learning the protocol behind it.
I would argue you do NOT need an engineering degree to be an engineer. You spend so much time in classes like advanced math, learning about other disciplines you don't care about, and of course all the fluff of a "rounded university education."
My view is there should be a 2-year fundamentals covering the basics, including some math theory but not sorting through ridiculous equations/calc/etc - computers for that, but need to know what you're calculating at least type of thing, then apprenticeship type deal in discipline you want to work in actually on the job.
Edit: I realize I'm not really answering the comment but off on a tangent. Yes, from a "worthwhile you'll probably have a job" standpoint they are worth getting vs most that are truly worthless.
Depends on the type of engineering you want to do. You need way more than basic math to do, for instance, the aerospace type engineering, or electrical engineering.
So what do you do when the computers are down and you have to do calculations manually? That is the stupidity that dumbs us all down.......relying on computers rather than your brain.
as someone with an engineering degree, yes, it is worth getting - IF you want to do engineering and want to live in an area where the kind of engineering you want to do is done.
Otherwise, you gotta be real careful now deciding if college is really worth it especially with so many good opportunities in trades that don't require any college at all.
I was lucky back in 1970 to have the UK government pay my university fees (and I didn't have tp pay them back). My course was Electronic Engineering but they taught me many other subjects including how a car engine works and economics! Now, 52 years later, I'm fucking brilliant - I know absolutely everything - and I'm modest, too! ;)
100% on make sure you can get the job you want where you want. They really should tell people this on the way IN to engineering school, and they don't. (They also don't tell people that half of mechanicals end up in mfg even though they didn't want that degree for a reason.)
(These two factors figured heavily into my eventual switch from ME to SE.)
It is, my 19 year old stepson get's asked all the time if he's going to college or going to go to college and he answers, "no, I'm too smart for college." lol Nobody knows what to say about that 🤣
I have two Masters degrees and now I think college is a fucking scam.
You don’t get smarter in college, you just memorize protocol. That’s literally it. I’m in STEM at 4th year and I am yet to be taught anything besides protocol.
I have heard that engineering degrees are one of the few worth getting.
Excluding Civil Engineering lol
But I mean, the protocol is very useful, especially the math, and you will become proficient at what you were taught to do, but I by no means have a more valuable opinion on anything outside of electrical engineering just because I am learning the protocol behind it.
Hey now, civil engineers build great targets.
I would argue you do NOT need an engineering degree to be an engineer. You spend so much time in classes like advanced math, learning about other disciplines you don't care about, and of course all the fluff of a "rounded university education."
My view is there should be a 2-year fundamentals covering the basics, including some math theory but not sorting through ridiculous equations/calc/etc - computers for that, but need to know what you're calculating at least type of thing, then apprenticeship type deal in discipline you want to work in actually on the job.
Edit: I realize I'm not really answering the comment but off on a tangent. Yes, from a "worthwhile you'll probably have a job" standpoint they are worth getting vs most that are truly worthless.
Depends on the type of engineering you want to do. You need way more than basic math to do, for instance, the aerospace type engineering, or electrical engineering.
So what do you do when the computers are down and you have to do calculations manually? That is the stupidity that dumbs us all down.......relying on computers rather than your brain.
as someone with an engineering degree, yes, it is worth getting - IF you want to do engineering and want to live in an area where the kind of engineering you want to do is done.
Otherwise, you gotta be real careful now deciding if college is really worth it especially with so many good opportunities in trades that don't require any college at all.
I was lucky back in 1970 to have the UK government pay my university fees (and I didn't have tp pay them back). My course was Electronic Engineering but they taught me many other subjects including how a car engine works and economics! Now, 52 years later, I'm fucking brilliant - I know absolutely everything - and I'm modest, too! ;)
100% on make sure you can get the job you want where you want. They really should tell people this on the way IN to engineering school, and they don't. (They also don't tell people that half of mechanicals end up in mfg even though they didn't want that degree for a reason.)
(These two factors figured heavily into my eventual switch from ME to SE.)
It is, my 19 year old stepson get's asked all the time if he's going to college or going to go to college and he answers, "no, I'm too smart for college." lol Nobody knows what to say about that 🤣
What made you decide to get 2 Masters degrees?
I was earning a Masters in Finance and opted to do a little extra work and pick up an MBA as well.
Practicing lawyer. Can confirm.