Not a political issue in Japan because they have found a way to appease their guilt for killing their unborn child through the belief in reincarnation that the holds that the soul of that child will return at another time in another womb. In other words, better luck next time kid. I wonder what happens to the soul that has the misfortune of continuing to pick parents that will snuff them out. They may never be born.
Well it's more like the ensoulment doesn't happen, and remains in temporal space. The body has an essence of energy like all things but essentially under Shintoism (especially Shintoism that is largely shaped by Buddhism but also acknowledges there is a central, singular god) it's not unlike that of a small animal or a rock. Reincarnation cycle kind of depends on acts if you look at the strictly Buddhist version or it and the biggest problem with Japan adopting Christianity is one, Japanese do not agree with the idea all humans base condition is sinful, and two, Japanese can not fathom salvation or enlightenment happening just because some one said so (without acts or labor)
Mind you, perhaps western Christians should debate ensoulment as much as the Jews or the eastern religions have. I have tried discussing it with Christians and none have even contemplated it. Questions like do you believe souls are floating up there like ghosts? Or are souls actively willed into existence by god a hundred times per second during all births? And when does that happen, when a sperm hits an egg or when a birth exits the womb or something in between? Are souls just a building block of God given or a separate energy existence? Do all humans get ensouled or can the worst among us (pedos, rapists, war mongers, Faucis, Soros, etc) or even just the apathetic normie npcs not have souls and that's where the concept of golem and homonculus originated?
Very interesting reply there fren. Yes, there are conversations on the metaphysical realm that most Christians do not give any thought to, nor are they willing to engage in; whereas, mystical Judaism is willing to have those conversations and it is not threatening to their underlying belief in the Almighty One. I find that when people try to put the Almighty in a box that aligns with their understanding, He has a way of blowing up that box we have attempted to place Him in. If we are standing too close to that box, we could get messy or blown up with the box. Some of our greatest minds have been people of faith that were willing to let the Almighty define himself and to see a much bigger picture than what has been traditionally put forward.
Many Christians do not realize how much of their own theology has been influenced by Neoplatonism and its various precursors and offshoots. This is not to knock anyone for their beliefs. Far be it from me to say I have all the answers, and I do lean that way. But my faith is not easily shaken by alternative viewpoints; while at the same time, I am cautious of syncretism. Outright pantheism or polytheism aside, I find it interesting that so many ancient metaphysical belief systems and their views of cosmology that developed separately from each other, could all have so many ideas that they hold in common - such as the existence of a soul that transcends physical reality and a singular causational entity that is beyond adequate description. I do see a common denominator threaded in many belief systems once the layers are pealed back. Nice to know there are others on this forum that also have explored these same ideas.
I did not miss that point. The question then becomes, what is in the necessary interests of the physical and mental health of the mother as determined by a physician? The answer to that question can be narrow in scope or wide. Medical approval is but a formality in Japan. Abortion is accepted both culturally and morally. The video only shows one Buddhist temple where you find the mizuko statues. In fact, there are Jizo statues all over Japan - even along the road. The Japanese have not made it the tribal issue that it has become here in the US. That may be due to the fact that Japan is primarily a homogenous monoculture. Therefore, there is not the division in Japan over such a choice as it has become here in the US. Over 300K abortions a year take place in Japan.
The answer to that question can be narrow in scope or wide.
But I don't think it's one that you're going to accept.
Which is why BPS states "I'm not sure (it) could be imported"
I did not miss that point.
Then there's a part of Japan's culture that you do not understand.
Its ok. I assume you are a westerner like me. There's many shitty things about Japan that don't find its way through all video games and anime conventions.
Theyre nice to us, but they'd largely wish we'd leave them the hell alone and let them be Japanese. They don't care how cool, tolerant, or understanding we are about them. They wouldnt even want to have this deep of a conversation with you on this subject.
I remember when Obama came to Japan in 2016 to apologize about the nuclear bombs. "Boo hoo hoo, my country sucks. I am so deeply sorry." At the time I was working at a company and away from the education realm, which was a bit refreshing. Some coworkers told me that they couldn't care less about his stupid apologies or his feelings of guilt and thought the whole thing was a waste of time. Actually, the Japanese guys there were pretty based and the two Japanese friends I still have from that job didn't take the deathjabs. Meanwhile pretty much every teacher at schools I work at have.
My original statement was facetious. I suppose I should have clarified that. I do understand Japanese culture probably more than the average Westerner does. I worked with people from all over the Far East for several years and came to know and understand a number of their idiosyncrasies. I have several good friends that are native Japanese and several American friends that are currently living in Japan. Unlike most Westerners, I can identify most Eastern ethnicities by appearances. They are different. To most Americans, they all look the same. They sure as hell can tell each other apart.
You are right. The Japanese have accepted some aspects of Western culture, but it only goes so far. They would rather we left them alone except where it advantages them financially. If it was not for the threat from China, they would have booted out our military long ago. They would rather keep us at arms length and Americans can find life there difficult. They have had a love/hate relationship with Americans - but so have many other peoples. Their ways have served them well for several thousands of years and those ways have kept them together as a cohesive society and culture. Like any other people, they have their strengths, beauty, and their warts. I try to see and focus on those strengths and beauty in all people, without being ignorant of the warts.
I don’t understand this video. So it’s saying there’s no conflict bc they made a stone statue for the dead babies soul? I think that’s silly. Maybe it’s more like they don’t have a long history of going against their government? Happy to be educated by someone more familiar with Japanese history which I admit know very little of
Maybe it’s more like they don’t have a long history of going against their government?
This is correct. You run from China, fight amongst yourselves, get invaded by the British who shove their culture and modernity up your ass, then later get Hilter as an ally only to be blown up by America's Atom Bomb. Needless to say, this has made the Japanese submissive to many tyrannical governments over time. They've always had to just live with their invaders, even their language reflect this.
So it’s saying there’s no conflict bc they made a stone statue for the dead babies soul?
Some of these religious traits carry over to their normal life. Japanese culture is very ritualistic. The Jizo statues are a ritual that help them channel their emotions when they have an abortion (mind you they only allow abortion for physical or medical reasons).
It may seem silly to us, but then again, one of the amazing things about Jesus Christ is that all we need to do is go to him. It tends to make things easier, imo.
And you would think that after two atomic bombs being dropped on them, Japanese people would lead the world in skepticism over what their government tells them they should do. Alas, this is not the case and the percentage of vaccinated people here is tremendous.
Japanese culture has no moral or ethical problems regarding abortion. Since theirs is more of a monoculture, they do not have the fierce emotional divide like here in the US. Even though abortion has to be approved by a doctor, that is just a formality. Eastern cultures view life and death differently than in the West. They have a long history of a belief in reincarnation that allows them to view the loss of a child as only being a temporary state of the soul until it can find another vessel/body in this life. They also tend to view life through the lens of a more societal collective cohesiveness versus the West that values individualism. The Japanese are not welcoming to cultural diversity. They have their customs and traditions that have been developed over millennia.
Not a political issue in Japan because they have found a way to appease their guilt for killing their unborn child through the belief in reincarnation that the holds that the soul of that child will return at another time in another womb. In other words, better luck next time kid. I wonder what happens to the soul that has the misfortune of continuing to pick parents that will snuff them out. They may never be born.
Well it's more like the ensoulment doesn't happen, and remains in temporal space. The body has an essence of energy like all things but essentially under Shintoism (especially Shintoism that is largely shaped by Buddhism but also acknowledges there is a central, singular god) it's not unlike that of a small animal or a rock. Reincarnation cycle kind of depends on acts if you look at the strictly Buddhist version or it and the biggest problem with Japan adopting Christianity is one, Japanese do not agree with the idea all humans base condition is sinful, and two, Japanese can not fathom salvation or enlightenment happening just because some one said so (without acts or labor)
Mind you, perhaps western Christians should debate ensoulment as much as the Jews or the eastern religions have. I have tried discussing it with Christians and none have even contemplated it. Questions like do you believe souls are floating up there like ghosts? Or are souls actively willed into existence by god a hundred times per second during all births? And when does that happen, when a sperm hits an egg or when a birth exits the womb or something in between? Are souls just a building block of God given or a separate energy existence? Do all humans get ensouled or can the worst among us (pedos, rapists, war mongers, Faucis, Soros, etc) or even just the apathetic normie npcs not have souls and that's where the concept of golem and homonculus originated?
Very interesting reply there fren. Yes, there are conversations on the metaphysical realm that most Christians do not give any thought to, nor are they willing to engage in; whereas, mystical Judaism is willing to have those conversations and it is not threatening to their underlying belief in the Almighty One. I find that when people try to put the Almighty in a box that aligns with their understanding, He has a way of blowing up that box we have attempted to place Him in. If we are standing too close to that box, we could get messy or blown up with the box. Some of our greatest minds have been people of faith that were willing to let the Almighty define himself and to see a much bigger picture than what has been traditionally put forward.
Many Christians do not realize how much of their own theology has been influenced by Neoplatonism and its various precursors and offshoots. This is not to knock anyone for their beliefs. Far be it from me to say I have all the answers, and I do lean that way. But my faith is not easily shaken by alternative viewpoints; while at the same time, I am cautious of syncretism. Outright pantheism or polytheism aside, I find it interesting that so many ancient metaphysical belief systems and their views of cosmology that developed separately from each other, could all have so many ideas that they hold in common - such as the existence of a soul that transcends physical reality and a singular causational entity that is beyond adequate description. I do see a common denominator threaded in many belief systems once the layers are pealed back. Nice to know there are others on this forum that also have explored these same ideas.
The Japanese government allows abortions as long as a doctor stated it was necessary for the physical or mental health of the woman involved.
You missed that part.
That's a big step from the degenerate side of "my body my choice".
Exactly.
I did not miss that point. The question then becomes, what is in the necessary interests of the physical and mental health of the mother as determined by a physician? The answer to that question can be narrow in scope or wide. Medical approval is but a formality in Japan. Abortion is accepted both culturally and morally. The video only shows one Buddhist temple where you find the mizuko statues. In fact, there are Jizo statues all over Japan - even along the road. The Japanese have not made it the tribal issue that it has become here in the US. That may be due to the fact that Japan is primarily a homogenous monoculture. Therefore, there is not the division in Japan over such a choice as it has become here in the US. Over 300K abortions a year take place in Japan.
But I don't think it's one that you're going to accept.
Which is why BPS states "I'm not sure (it) could be imported"
Then there's a part of Japan's culture that you do not understand.
Its ok. I assume you are a westerner like me. There's many shitty things about Japan that don't find its way through all video games and anime conventions.
Theyre nice to us, but they'd largely wish we'd leave them the hell alone and let them be Japanese. They don't care how cool, tolerant, or understanding we are about them. They wouldnt even want to have this deep of a conversation with you on this subject.
I remember when Obama came to Japan in 2016 to apologize about the nuclear bombs. "Boo hoo hoo, my country sucks. I am so deeply sorry." At the time I was working at a company and away from the education realm, which was a bit refreshing. Some coworkers told me that they couldn't care less about his stupid apologies or his feelings of guilt and thought the whole thing was a waste of time. Actually, the Japanese guys there were pretty based and the two Japanese friends I still have from that job didn't take the deathjabs. Meanwhile pretty much every teacher at schools I work at have.
My original statement was facetious. I suppose I should have clarified that. I do understand Japanese culture probably more than the average Westerner does. I worked with people from all over the Far East for several years and came to know and understand a number of their idiosyncrasies. I have several good friends that are native Japanese and several American friends that are currently living in Japan. Unlike most Westerners, I can identify most Eastern ethnicities by appearances. They are different. To most Americans, they all look the same. They sure as hell can tell each other apart.
You are right. The Japanese have accepted some aspects of Western culture, but it only goes so far. They would rather we left them alone except where it advantages them financially. If it was not for the threat from China, they would have booted out our military long ago. They would rather keep us at arms length and Americans can find life there difficult. They have had a love/hate relationship with Americans - but so have many other peoples. Their ways have served them well for several thousands of years and those ways have kept them together as a cohesive society and culture. Like any other people, they have their strengths, beauty, and their warts. I try to see and focus on those strengths and beauty in all people, without being ignorant of the warts.
I don’t understand this video. So it’s saying there’s no conflict bc they made a stone statue for the dead babies soul? I think that’s silly. Maybe it’s more like they don’t have a long history of going against their government? Happy to be educated by someone more familiar with Japanese history which I admit know very little of
This is correct. You run from China, fight amongst yourselves, get invaded by the British who shove their culture and modernity up your ass, then later get Hilter as an ally only to be blown up by America's Atom Bomb. Needless to say, this has made the Japanese submissive to many tyrannical governments over time. They've always had to just live with their invaders, even their language reflect this.
Kinda, but to understand this better, you have to understand Animism and Shintoism: https://www.sutori.com/en/story/animism-shintoism--31VDVaUBAxY2gYwEjE1a1yTm
Some of these religious traits carry over to their normal life. Japanese culture is very ritualistic. The Jizo statues are a ritual that help them channel their emotions when they have an abortion (mind you they only allow abortion for physical or medical reasons).
It may seem silly to us, but then again, one of the amazing things about Jesus Christ is that all we need to do is go to him. It tends to make things easier, imo.
And you would think that after two atomic bombs being dropped on them, Japanese people would lead the world in skepticism over what their government tells them they should do. Alas, this is not the case and the percentage of vaccinated people here is tremendous.
Japanese culture has no moral or ethical problems regarding abortion. Since theirs is more of a monoculture, they do not have the fierce emotional divide like here in the US. Even though abortion has to be approved by a doctor, that is just a formality. Eastern cultures view life and death differently than in the West. They have a long history of a belief in reincarnation that allows them to view the loss of a child as only being a temporary state of the soul until it can find another vessel/body in this life. They also tend to view life through the lens of a more societal collective cohesiveness versus the West that values individualism. The Japanese are not welcoming to cultural diversity. They have their customs and traditions that have been developed over millennia.