When my daughter (now 18) was a baby I paid $1,000/mo in CA at a daycare center. When she was school aged I paid $100/wk for before and after school care. It always seemed like I was the only parent paying the full cost (I frequently heard staff telling parents that that daycare was not free and they needed to pay their "share of costs") Yet all the other parents seemed to have had the latest cell phones and drove better cars than I. Always made me wonder what really drove up the cost of care.
I also found it weird when living there that the schools will give the kids soooooo much free stuff, including healthcare but the daycares, even private ones were thru the damn roof.
I had forgotten about the free stuff! I just remember teachers asking me to buy stuff for the classroom. The teachers always told me that they were sorry for asking but there are only 2-3 reliable parents. So the schools were given highly visible stuff but the classrooms went without basics. I also remember the schools fundraising to hire teachers - something the state was supposed to provide but didn't. If I remember correctly, it was PE teachers and computer science teachers. Very strange for a public school system!
Wow that is strange AF!! I remember being surprised by the fact that they didnt require school supplies.....AT ALL!! there was no list, etc. I was like huh? At the time it was a nice convenience to not worry about buying the usual "list". Yea.....discovered why taxes are so high there i guess. So there was def good and bad!!!! And strangely enough, that was my favorite school my now 9 yr old went to out of her previous 2 schools. (We moved around a lot the past 5 yrs). I was seriously shocked. Luckily, her school in the lil town of chico was actually awesome education wise. Who knew
The teachers would ask for things like disinfecting wipes, kleenex, dry erase markers of different colors, etc. But yeah, fund raising for "extras" like PE teachers was weird. And I remember there were "Budget Cut Days" on the school calendar so that meant "Oops! We ran out of money so there's no school this day!!" This was in the Bay Area so maybe geography made a difference? You know, deep blue whack jobs running things?
California especially is loaded with regs and requirements to do almost anything - especially day care. Those kinds of hurdles always drive up costs. I have a friend that ran a Christian day care out of her home - not in CA. But some of the stuff she told me she had to do just to be licensed at times seemed over the top. They even remodeled part of their home in order to accommodate the laws - state regs and taxes. She finally called it quits because the hassles of the business had become too prohibitive and the parents themselves could make it difficult through inconsistency.
I get trying to protect kids, but the unintended consequences of all the protection has put the cost of most day care out of range for many people. That forces them to find day care from those that may not necessarily be qualified to do the job. There needs to be a medium. Parents need a place to place their children where they can be reasonably assured their children will be okay without breaking the bank or having to take another job just to pay for the day care.
I disagree with the entire idea of "daycare", although I acknowledge this can be a very difficult choice for many families.
By choosing daycare, we are asking complete strangers to take care of our children. We agree that >$1400/mo is the value we place on our child's early years. I'd rather quit my job and raise my children, I'd rather pay friends who I know well and who are willing to watch my children, I'd rather drop them off at the grandparents/relatives than have them suffer through the early-learning process at these terrible places.
The idea that a first-world country = (cheap) daycare is a silly argument, imho, although I'm not sure OP meant this. Folks living in a first-world country should value protecting their children more. Sending them off to a daycare to get perpetually sick and raised by some NPC is no way to raise a family.
This isn't Brave New World (yet) -- raise yo' kids!
It blows sending kids to a stranger but ya do what ya gotta do to make some money i suppose. For me, my checks living in cali for 2 yrs didnt even cover after school care. Working for literally nothing/no gain is the real vagina kick!
I lived in CA for 2 yrs. Can confirm.....daycare is FUCKING RIDIC!!! and they alllllllll have a waitlist anyways. Or so they say. I lived there at beginning of "covid" so had to quit my job when schools shut down anyways but i couldnt even afford the day/after school care with my paychecks! It was very retarded
Important to factor in average annual income for various Eastern European nations. And how that currency converts into USD to draw a better comparison.
As typical the conversions are typically rather lopsided.
50,000K USD which is a modest yearly salary by our standards converts to just shy of 225,000 Polish Zloyt as a for example.
Interesting part is many of those mothers drop their kids off at daycare and slither off to a job paying $1800/ month or so. We need to start teaching math in school again.
Uh ... They're totally fucking with the data on that. I'm sure some people pay that, but I don't believe the numbers for even a second. The gist is true, though. There are gov't-funded campaigns to report unlicensed daycares, and the penalties are severe, so people give in and get a license, which is expensive and drives up rates. Thank God it's all going to crash soon.
There are gov't-funded campaigns to report unlicensed daycares, and the penalties are severe, so people give in and get a license, which is expensive and drives up rates.
It's almost like the government doesn't want people having kids.
The government wants to own your kids. There's been a big public campaign for pre-K daycare for years. "First five." State Gov't likes kids, just not if they're yours. They want them to grow up without dads, where they've had huge success, and are working now on a wedge to take them from moms, too.
They have been doing this for decades through Head Start programs. The propaganda about giving them a "head start" in learning preparation for school gave parents, mostly single mothers, the excuse to justify being lazy and dumping their kids off into the hands of the indoctrinators. Working in health care I had the opportunity to work first hand with some of these kids that were in these programs. Even then I had concerns about what they were being taught and I could not understand why the mothers were not teaching their children themselves. They drank the Kool aide of lies that they somehow as a parent were not good enough to educate their children and that for the sake of their children, the job was better left to the "experts." No amount of alphabet soup attached to someone's name or state licensing will make someone better at educating a young child over their own parents. Multiple studies have been done that prove children that go through Head Start programs are no better off than those that do not participate. In fact, some of the children educated by their own family at home were in many ways actually the ones with the head start. Those studies have not been widely circulated to the public for obvious reasons. Once a government program is started and the money flows, it takes an act of God to stop it.
The answer here is to homeschool children any way we can. I know several parents that have come together in collectives to share the responsibility of education. Those that no longer have children at home, especially if retired, can contribute in several ways either through helping with occasionally teaching, or financially through helping with supplies or other needs. Adopt a family or a collective if you have the means. There is always something all of us can do. This is too important not to help these struggling families with this huge responsibility and to allow at least one parent to stay home if possible. This is how we will secure our future legacy. One needs to look no further than what is being witnessed on the news to see the results of decades of government indoctrination. It is up to all of us to stop this and turn the ship. But it will require all hands on deck. Get involved somehow.
Any discounted daycare or after school care in cali, in my own experience, has a waitlist of over a year. Usually almost 2 years. The prices are real and i lived in northern cali for 2 years....not even in the "rich" or totally dem run southern Cali and this is how it was.
I hear ya. Strangely enough, at least when I was there a couple yrs ago, they give so much for free to the kids. But this was in NorCal, so may be diff elsewhere in CA. I was shocked but guess thats why taxes are so high there and why the quaint lil town of Chico was completely run over by homeless and or crack addicts
Watching a couple homeless seemingly hermaphrodite hump on the lawm of our apts was enough for me. Had to go.
When my daughter (now 18) was a baby I paid $1,000/mo in CA at a daycare center. When she was school aged I paid $100/wk for before and after school care. It always seemed like I was the only parent paying the full cost (I frequently heard staff telling parents that that daycare was not free and they needed to pay their "share of costs") Yet all the other parents seemed to have had the latest cell phones and drove better cars than I. Always made me wonder what really drove up the cost of care.
I also found it weird when living there that the schools will give the kids soooooo much free stuff, including healthcare but the daycares, even private ones were thru the damn roof.
I had forgotten about the free stuff! I just remember teachers asking me to buy stuff for the classroom. The teachers always told me that they were sorry for asking but there are only 2-3 reliable parents. So the schools were given highly visible stuff but the classrooms went without basics. I also remember the schools fundraising to hire teachers - something the state was supposed to provide but didn't. If I remember correctly, it was PE teachers and computer science teachers. Very strange for a public school system!
Wow that is strange AF!! I remember being surprised by the fact that they didnt require school supplies.....AT ALL!! there was no list, etc. I was like huh? At the time it was a nice convenience to not worry about buying the usual "list". Yea.....discovered why taxes are so high there i guess. So there was def good and bad!!!! And strangely enough, that was my favorite school my now 9 yr old went to out of her previous 2 schools. (We moved around a lot the past 5 yrs). I was seriously shocked. Luckily, her school in the lil town of chico was actually awesome education wise. Who knew
The teachers would ask for things like disinfecting wipes, kleenex, dry erase markers of different colors, etc. But yeah, fund raising for "extras" like PE teachers was weird. And I remember there were "Budget Cut Days" on the school calendar so that meant "Oops! We ran out of money so there's no school this day!!" This was in the Bay Area so maybe geography made a difference? You know, deep blue whack jobs running things?
Just wow.....cant believe that was actually on the calendar. What a shit show it all is now.....and always was.
California especially is loaded with regs and requirements to do almost anything - especially day care. Those kinds of hurdles always drive up costs. I have a friend that ran a Christian day care out of her home - not in CA. But some of the stuff she told me she had to do just to be licensed at times seemed over the top. They even remodeled part of their home in order to accommodate the laws - state regs and taxes. She finally called it quits because the hassles of the business had become too prohibitive and the parents themselves could make it difficult through inconsistency.
I get trying to protect kids, but the unintended consequences of all the protection has put the cost of most day care out of range for many people. That forces them to find day care from those that may not necessarily be qualified to do the job. There needs to be a medium. Parents need a place to place their children where they can be reasonably assured their children will be okay without breaking the bank or having to take another job just to pay for the day care.
I disagree with the entire idea of "daycare", although I acknowledge this can be a very difficult choice for many families.
By choosing daycare, we are asking complete strangers to take care of our children. We agree that >$1400/mo is the value we place on our child's early years. I'd rather quit my job and raise my children, I'd rather pay friends who I know well and who are willing to watch my children, I'd rather drop them off at the grandparents/relatives than have them suffer through the early-learning process at these terrible places.
The idea that a first-world country = (cheap) daycare is a silly argument, imho, although I'm not sure OP meant this. Folks living in a first-world country should value protecting their children more. Sending them off to a daycare to get perpetually sick and raised by some NPC is no way to raise a family.
This isn't Brave New World (yet) -- raise yo' kids!
It blows sending kids to a stranger but ya do what ya gotta do to make some money i suppose. For me, my checks living in cali for 2 yrs didnt even cover after school care. Working for literally nothing/no gain is the real vagina kick!
I lived in CA for 2 yrs. Can confirm.....daycare is FUCKING RIDIC!!! and they alllllllll have a waitlist anyways. Or so they say. I lived there at beginning of "covid" so had to quit my job when schools shut down anyways but i couldnt even afford the day/after school care with my paychecks! It was very retarded
Don't have kids if you don't have a family member to watch them. Daycare workers are NOT who you want your children to learn their values from...
Important to factor in average annual income for various Eastern European nations. And how that currency converts into USD to draw a better comparison.
As typical the conversions are typically rather lopsided.
50,000K USD which is a modest yearly salary by our standards converts to just shy of 225,000 Polish Zloyt as a for example.
Interesting part is many of those mothers drop their kids off at daycare and slither off to a job paying $1800/ month or so. We need to start teaching math in school again.
I wouldnt classify any mom or dad trying to make money for their family as slithering but thats just me.
with all of thevregulations in Commiefornia the cost of marketing your kids to pedophiles is much higher.
Uh ... They're totally fucking with the data on that. I'm sure some people pay that, but I don't believe the numbers for even a second. The gist is true, though. There are gov't-funded campaigns to report unlicensed daycares, and the penalties are severe, so people give in and get a license, which is expensive and drives up rates. Thank God it's all going to crash soon.
It's almost like the government doesn't want people having kids.
The government wants to own your kids. There's been a big public campaign for pre-K daycare for years. "First five." State Gov't likes kids, just not if they're yours. They want them to grow up without dads, where they've had huge success, and are working now on a wedge to take them from moms, too.
They have been doing this for decades through Head Start programs. The propaganda about giving them a "head start" in learning preparation for school gave parents, mostly single mothers, the excuse to justify being lazy and dumping their kids off into the hands of the indoctrinators. Working in health care I had the opportunity to work first hand with some of these kids that were in these programs. Even then I had concerns about what they were being taught and I could not understand why the mothers were not teaching their children themselves. They drank the Kool aide of lies that they somehow as a parent were not good enough to educate their children and that for the sake of their children, the job was better left to the "experts." No amount of alphabet soup attached to someone's name or state licensing will make someone better at educating a young child over their own parents. Multiple studies have been done that prove children that go through Head Start programs are no better off than those that do not participate. In fact, some of the children educated by their own family at home were in many ways actually the ones with the head start. Those studies have not been widely circulated to the public for obvious reasons. Once a government program is started and the money flows, it takes an act of God to stop it.
The answer here is to homeschool children any way we can. I know several parents that have come together in collectives to share the responsibility of education. Those that no longer have children at home, especially if retired, can contribute in several ways either through helping with occasionally teaching, or financially through helping with supplies or other needs. Adopt a family or a collective if you have the means. There is always something all of us can do. This is too important not to help these struggling families with this huge responsibility and to allow at least one parent to stay home if possible. This is how we will secure our future legacy. One needs to look no further than what is being witnessed on the news to see the results of decades of government indoctrination. It is up to all of us to stop this and turn the ship. But it will require all hands on deck. Get involved somehow.
Amen.
Any discounted daycare or after school care in cali, in my own experience, has a waitlist of over a year. Usually almost 2 years. The prices are real and i lived in northern cali for 2 years....not even in the "rich" or totally dem run southern Cali and this is how it was.
Fair enough. My experience was very different. But it was some time ago.
I hear ya. Strangely enough, at least when I was there a couple yrs ago, they give so much for free to the kids. But this was in NorCal, so may be diff elsewhere in CA. I was shocked but guess thats why taxes are so high there and why the quaint lil town of Chico was completely run over by homeless and or crack addicts Watching a couple homeless seemingly hermaphrodite hump on the lawm of our apts was enough for me. Had to go.
And what are monthly earnings in Eastern Europe.