Your title is bullshit. You can interpret the audio many different ways but saying he “threatened assassination” is sensational. Shame on you for writing that, shame on the mods for stickying this with that title, and shame on anyone who reads your title and doesn’t watch/think for themselves.
The weight the person carries provides the context for the 'threat'.
If I told a PM their country's security would be at risk, it carries no weight.
If a sitting VP now President told a foreign official the same, that carries so much more weight.
Forget plausible deniability, forget assassination threats, it's perfectly clear what was being communicated.
Sure but this allows for easy plausible deniability, what the left will say is that he was saying Trump looking into the finances of Ukraine will get him to stop sending them money and weapons and will allow for the threat to his physical security that is Russian invasion.
If Joe is the mob boss, and there’s nothing he could do in Ukraine to jeopardize their safety. Yes, Ukraine is the hub of all corruption from the deep state, then destroying Ukraine would not be an option. Yes, the physical threat was implying that harm would come to do Ukrainian nation and it would be in the best interest of the mob boss to secure that nation. This wasn’t a concerned VP But instead a threat to a person to ensure the continuity of government within the hub of corruption
Do you really think a VP would just come out and say "I'll assassinate you if work with Trump" ??? The question we need to ask is WHO would do the wet work? Who is behind Biden/Obama?
Let me correct that, and OUTGOING VP (leaving office) can get a foreign leader assassinated because they might tell the INCOMING administration about their dirty dealings? The Biden conversation happened 2 weeks after Trump got elected (Nov 2016), then Trump's inaugurated in Jan 2017. People need to ask what power does an ex-VP have to send that type of order? Because no ex-admin person should have that sway.
Yeah at the end he was saying "your economic and physical security" which seems to be more taken as Ukraine's economic and physical security, rather than a veiled threat to the guy personally.
Basically play ball or your country is fucked, rather than you're personally fucked, though I guess could be implied.
Your title is bullshit. You can interpret the audio many different ways but saying he “threatened assassination” is sensational. Shame on you for writing that, shame on the mods for stickying this with that title, and shame on anyone who reads your title and doesn’t watch/think for themselves.
Nice restaurant you have here. Be a shame if something happened.
-Tony Soprano-
Yeah, all threats are completely spelled out every time.
Shame shame shame for thinking otherwise.
Exactly, it's a classic mafia threat.
The weight the person carries provides the context for the 'threat'. If I told a PM their country's security would be at risk, it carries no weight. If a sitting VP now President told a foreign official the same, that carries so much more weight. Forget plausible deniability, forget assassination threats, it's perfectly clear what was being communicated.
Sure but this allows for easy plausible deniability, what the left will say is that he was saying Trump looking into the finances of Ukraine will get him to stop sending them money and weapons and will allow for the threat to his physical security that is Russian invasion.
... well son-of-a-bitch. He got fired.
I agree. Physical security != assassination
I don't "know" it. I'm willing to entertain the premise unless something more compelling can explain his words, but I don't "know" a thing about this.
Let's keep our wires straight so we don't lose the plot, yeah?
If Joe is the mob boss, and there’s nothing he could do in Ukraine to jeopardize their safety. Yes, Ukraine is the hub of all corruption from the deep state, then destroying Ukraine would not be an option. Yes, the physical threat was implying that harm would come to do Ukrainian nation and it would be in the best interest of the mob boss to secure that nation. This wasn’t a concerned VP But instead a threat to a person to ensure the continuity of government within the hub of corruption
Do you really think a VP would just come out and say "I'll assassinate you if work with Trump" ??? The question we need to ask is WHO would do the wet work? Who is behind Biden/Obama?
Let me correct that, and OUTGOING VP (leaving office) can get a foreign leader assassinated because they might tell the INCOMING administration about their dirty dealings? The Biden conversation happened 2 weeks after Trump got elected (Nov 2016), then Trump's inaugurated in Jan 2017. People need to ask what power does an ex-VP have to send that type of order? Because no ex-admin person should have that sway.
So in your vast experience of mob shakedowns, is it your opinion that threats must be more explicit in order to be effective?
Or could it be that the title is accurate and you are a fool?
Yeah at the end he was saying "your economic and physical security" which seems to be more taken as Ukraine's economic and physical security, rather than a veiled threat to the guy personally.
Basically play ball or your country is fucked, rather than you're personally fucked, though I guess could be implied.
Yes! This part. Your own argument defeats the claim.
Yes, but having the headline like this makes it seem explicit, but it's definitely not.
OK. But how explicit do you expect threats to be?
Story met my expectations from headline. I suppose that is where we differ.
Good old fashioned plausible deniability. Thats the go to move my dewd.