Wondering why there have been so many slide posts? New Pfizer docs dropped
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What I'm saying. It looks like a pretty good medical record, but they lost a lot of data already, so who knows how good it really is.
The placebo pts are shocking me. Did these patients CONSENT to be in the placebo group? Did they CONSENT to being part of an EXPERIMENT? I'm thinking this is a pretty big find!
In the best study, neither the experimenters nor the participants would know who was in the control/placebo group and who was in the treatment/experimental group until it was all over. That's called a blind study. At least the participants shouldn't know, to keep them more objective about what they are experiencing. Pfizer and Moderna both apparently decided to destroy all credibility part way through the trial data collection by telling the placebo group they weren't getting the real stuff, and asked them if they wanted the vaccine instead of a placebo. About 90% did! So in the end there was hardly any control group. The only reason for them to do this imo was because there were so many adverse effects they wanted to cover it up, or it was obvious that the vaccinated group was getting sick at least as often as the control group, or that the vaccinees were getting sicker--in retrospect, probably all three. Their pious excuse was that it was so important to protect everyone, they were morally obligated to vaccinate everyone as soon as possible.
So scientific ethics gets thrown out, in favour of equity ethics?
I think it was CYA ethics.
Oh, yes! Wow! Is that in one of the drop documents?
Don't know. But to actually answer your question, in a trial study there is supposed to be informed consent and advice that you might be getting a placebo. That part would be kosher--there should be such forms.
That's called a double blind study actually, when neither those running it or those participating in the experiment know who has received what. It's the gold standard for scientific experiments.
You could even triple blind it by sending all the data to some third party who knew nothing about it, if you could reduce it to numbers.
It was like the Russian roulette the gay community did years ago, they were getting AIDS. This time getting a death jab for sure.
And have you seen the sites that talk about the Hep-B injection that all the gays, as a vanguard group, were getting before that? I had a stand-up row with a youngish nurse who wanted to make sure my new-born child had all his shots. there had been some media about the Hep-B at the time. As a parent I was being irresponsible not injecting Hep-B in a two-day old breast-feeding baby, having its first bath. Everyone was doing it now, allegedly.
Some say that AIDS was the vaccine injury ... OF course the drug they were given when diagnosed was the real killer...
What?
Does anybody know that if people were given the same 'batch number' shot for the second and boosters? Did people have to show their original shot card with the lot ID so administrators could match? If it was hit or miss whether or not they got the same 'level' of ingredients in each jab, it seems like the results would be too compromised to be worth analyzing.
This is a good question and it might be answerable in this trial group data--if these sloppy researchers kept the records. In the general public, after release, it seems like it would be hard because of all the sites that popped up.
The way studies work, you don't know if you're in the placebo group and neither does the person dosing you. It's called a double blind study, and this practice is supposed to eliminate any bias, unconscious or conscience, that could come about from knowing.
And academics have to go in front of equity boards if they even want to ask a few questions from people.
Of course when you are testing DRUGS, then it's fine. Just give it to 95% of the population, that way you can eliminate the conspiracy nut-jobs antivaxxers quickly, when thing get hot.
Carry aspirins, they are red-pill enablers. When the time comes, carry a Shillelagh to go shopping.
Yes. So did these patients know they were in the study? I guess they did, if they had investigators. I would like to know more about this study. Thanks for reminding me.