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posted 2 years ago by gamepwn 2 years ago by gamepwn +20 / -0
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– spookyjumper 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Without knowing the details, I note that the tone of your comment assesses his guilt already. If so, a plea bargain establishes guilt, mandates registry and locks up the guy where he will not be treated well. If however, your brother is not sure of guilt, he is ethically bound to provide a defense that requires the state to prove to the jury (or judge) that he is guilty.

BTW, These trials are really difficult - I was part of a General Court Martial panel that tried a similar case. That experience has colored my views ever since.

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– nomadic 7 points 2 years ago +9 / -2

I think your brother's duty in this case is not to his client, but to the rule of law: he's there not to defend his client's horrible actions, but rather to ensure that the punishment is assigned and carried out fairly, legally, justly, in line with the Constitution, and doesn't become the public stoning / lynch mob we all maybe would prefer to see while our blood's still boiling.

Tips from a lifer PD, to a newbie, grabbed from elsewhere:

You are a criminal defense lawyer. You are not a social worker. You are not a teacher. You are not a life coach. Don't act like those. You CANNOT get emotionally involved in your cases. That's death. Because it's not your life. You didn't arrest the person, etc. Stick to your defined role.

You cannot live your client's lives for them. For the most part they're adults who have made bad choices. I work in NYC, and I don't want to hear the institutional racism bullshit for why my client committed armed robbery. Yes, there's racism in a lot of petty drug arrests, stop and frisk, etc. But those aren't the hard cases. Commiting a crime is a a choice he made. That's OK, because it wasn't my choice. I just have to clean up his crap. I will refer to social workers, etc., but I'm his lawyer. I need to act like it. I don't mean be standoffish or an ass, but I mean be friendly but professional. The moment you start commiserating with him about his fucked up family life, you're sucked in and it's over. You may very well feel that way, and that's fine, but the cold reality is that it's not you're life and you're not responsible for him sitting in front of you. If he's an adult, he's responsible for his own life. And that's something a lot of our clients can't grasp.

Don't take the job home. The moment you walk out of the office, you have to make a conscious, voluntary decision to focus on your life and what you want to do, and not on the 17 year old kid who shot his buddy and is in jail on $100,000 bail. Because when you bring that home, you're just traded your life for his. It took me about 2 years before I was really able to leave things at the office. But again, it's a conscious effort. Obviously, if you're on trial or something, that consumes your life.

Pick your battles. There are zillions of awful decisions by judges, lying ADAs, deceitful clients, and general malfeasance. You have to let 90% of it go. Why? Because doing something about it won't get that judge's decision changed. Save your efforts for the issues that both matter and you have a chance of prevailing on. I've seen some awful decisions, and the first question is "who is the judge hearing motions today?" That colors my decision on what to do. And regardless of the motion judge, if it's a henious decision but I know I will lose the fight, I don't fight. I don't have the time or the energy. You'll learn that not everything is as big an injustice as it first seems.

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– inquimous 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

This is very good advice, and could be applied to other careers--like social work... or any kind of counseling... or bartending...

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– MilitaryJustice 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

You tell him that most lawyers have no morals - that's why they are lawyers. You tell him that God sees everything and that some day he will be held accountable for everything he says and does - so he should conduct himself with honour and integrity.

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– test_pattern 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

I think you're right. they do this to break them.

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– Windows8866 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Tell him to call on the Holy Spirit. Let the spirit convict this man if he is truly guilty.

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– Mr_A 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

He should ethically help the man as best he can within the scope of his duty to the law. If the charges are true, he should help obtain cooperation and obtain a just sentence according to the law. Praying for the man's soul is not unethical, nor is stopping the prosecution from overreaching.

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– Jimster2020 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

He chose a difficult career. Good 🤞

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– Zadok 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Our constitution promises every criminal a competent defense. It DOES NOT promise an acquittal when you are guilty. Perhaps this person's best defense is to plead guilty and get a deal that avoids the death penalty.

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– Mooseface2 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

Tell him to grow up and stop being such a baby. Most of his clients are guilty and his only job is to make sure the rules are followed. How did he not learn this in law school? How did he not learn this when he articled? He is not defence lawyer:material.

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– SocratesKnowsNothing 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I would suggest you start with schooling him on how the FBI, CIA and other "law enforcement" types are notorious for framing people and to imagine that it's possible his client has been framed. if through his interactions with the defendant the defendant plausibly admits guilt (not a false confession...which exist more than most realize) or the facts are unavoidable even with a truly unbiased interpretation, than I think he should be honest with his client and say the evidence is overwhelming and does not bode well for going to trial. he should offer that this behavior is unhealthy and should be first acknowledged and then focused upon to change.

while many suggest they'd just kill em all, wec need to be more realistic and forgiving in many instances. also, forcing pedophiles into the Sshadows by handing down capital punishment would only serve to promote more and more deceit from pedos.

perhaps he could use this scenario to provide a human approach with this pedo that otherwise stands no chance to God and/or the error of his ways in manipulating those incapable of knowing any better. perhaps offer some legit counseling that would seek to get to the root cause of these behaviors (e.g., having been abused as a child themselves, having domination issues, and/or just being psychopathic)

lastly, if he doesnt intervene now it wouldn't surprise me if the pedo got rewarded for his tendencies via immunity via the FBI or some other deepstate actor that scoops up these godless creatures to act as a patsy or some bigger part of their evil machine

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– ApeGang 1 point 2 years ago +3 / -2

Tell him to go get a covid test asap, odds are that he'll test positive.

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– motrhed3 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Tell him to talk to some of the better criminal defense lawyers and get their advice

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– Threeballes 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

That sounds like a serious conflict of interest to me...the pedo will have grounds for a mistrial if he is convicted.

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– 615GuitarSlinger 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Tell him to lose the case. I know the point is to win. They gave your brother that particular case to see what he's made of, trying to see if he's crooked enough to play the game or is he a man of morals who will do the right thing. They don't want that, if he wins the case he will climb up the ladder if he chooses to do the right thing he will never rise to the top, and rising to the top means he will lose himself, he will be at the mercy of the Freemasons

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– tweety51A 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Tell him to get in touch with Renz...the lawyer involved with covid...they need honest people.

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– Honor+Duty 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

That’s horrible.

The rapist is insane?

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– Glooptygloop 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

This is why I never became a lawyer. Sorry no advice to give, but maybe patent law or some other part of the legal field would be a better fit.

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– Analophigus 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I would tell him to ask Jesus for guidance. I would avoid telling him to shoot the perp himself (why I am not a lawyer; Id shoot someone).

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– Idot 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Be God like.

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– LanaForge 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

In my mind, if he can't ask to be reassigned or something (I have no idea how this works), he should stick with truth.

If he finds that the dude did indeed commit the act (because let's not forget that it could be the case the dude is innocent). then he should do what any good defense attorney would do and just try and make the sentencing as light as possible.

That way he did his job and didn't subvert truth, I don't know which other option he has other than to just resign.

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