Well, at a first read, this is pretty enraging. They can take your stuff and keep it just because they say they can. That's a load of garbage. However, after reading that they are looking for Hillary's stuff, all of this becomes very interesting ....
DOJ is claiming since the search warrant included “anything near or in boxes with classified docs” were fair game or anything found in “good faith” was admissible even if it was attorney client privilege. The argument is hypocritical. The search warrant was sketchy at best. I think they may have found something and that’s why they are asking for everything to be afforded to both parties but sealed by the court (not public). To me it seems like an absolute violation of the 4th amendment. As you said, Trump saying what he thinks they were looking for adds some spice.
I reread the response to the motion this evening after reading @paulsperry (mentioned below) about Jay Bratt revealing “key investigative details”. It wasn’t a specific mention of Hillary, more the way the response read.
There’s 3 issues addressed but number one is the crux.
Is he entitled to return of property?
Technically, all presidential records belong to the US, however, executive privilege applies if there’s proprietary interest in the presidential records. Trumps original motion states it was information or documents gained during his presidency so he has executive privilege. The response yesterday claims that’s proof that it belongs to the US. The question is what would one consider proprietary interest?
Collusion, proof of election interference, treason, russia gate, DNC spying on campaign, etc. all possible classified info that came into possession during his term. All personal stakes for trump. Does he have proprietary interest? Now consider restrictions to access of the records and the EO’s. (It’s late but I’ll dig for the one bouncing around in my head mañana)
Once the archivist notified Trumps attorney, he fell within the range of statue to claim executive privilege (the response claims it wasn’t filed urgently but it’s by the books). IMO, this was what caused panic and led them to obtain the shady warrant which encompassed personal effects. It’s a “good faith” loophole. I’m not sure I articulated my connections very well but this is how I foresee the judgement tomorrow.
The injunction will be denied.
The special master will be allowed (it’s a slippery slope violation of the 4th amendment)
The return of property will be dependent on the special master.
Sure would be something if they found something but won’t be able to use it bc it was a violation of the 4A, however, I doubt the documents they were looking for would be in his office. He’s not stupid. Tomorrow we see how Act 1657 scene 6 plays out! 😜
I feel like when the NARA came to see the documents, Trump communicated to them that he has these documents.
When FBI came first time to MAL, he communicated where these documents will be.
Now he has legally handed over these documents to a group in FBI. Right after that, it looks like the blackhat handler for that group - Thibault - was removed, so strings cut.
Now these filings are further communications of what else was collected, what should be sent back and what should be kept. Remember, the raid happened when the blackhat strings were not cut.
I think we are watching a very complex operation in motion.
He’s not dumb and seems to always have a plan in place. It seems there’s always a way to get the public informed and anons searching for connections. Hysterical that the media comes here to get news, even if it’s a spin off of the topic. It almost seems like he continues to weed out the corrupt. BTW… regarding another conversation we had, the more people I follow on TS, the more it seems my original theory was correct when checking the date joined
Well, at a first read, this is pretty enraging. They can take your stuff and keep it just because they say they can. That's a load of garbage. However, after reading that they are looking for Hillary's stuff, all of this becomes very interesting ....
DOJ is claiming since the search warrant included “anything near or in boxes with classified docs” were fair game or anything found in “good faith” was admissible even if it was attorney client privilege. The argument is hypocritical. The search warrant was sketchy at best. I think they may have found something and that’s why they are asking for everything to be afforded to both parties but sealed by the court (not public). To me it seems like an absolute violation of the 4th amendment. As you said, Trump saying what he thinks they were looking for adds some spice.
i agree!
The search warrant was ridiculous at best.
Amazingly stupid of the FBI.
To raid a President's home to search for possible classified documents is like raiding a bank for the possible possession of money.
He is the constitutional final authority on what is and what is not classified.
EDIT: And the possibility that Biden reclassified certain of the documents?
Null and void. The Constitution covers that too.
Thank Goodness Melania was not sitting next to the boxes, or else they would have siezed her and refused to return her back.
Wait, did any document mention Hillary stuff, or are you referring to Trump's truth?
I reread the response to the motion this evening after reading @paulsperry (mentioned below) about Jay Bratt revealing “key investigative details”. It wasn’t a specific mention of Hillary, more the way the response read.
There’s 3 issues addressed but number one is the crux.
Technically, all presidential records belong to the US, however, executive privilege applies if there’s proprietary interest in the presidential records. Trumps original motion states it was information or documents gained during his presidency so he has executive privilege. The response yesterday claims that’s proof that it belongs to the US. The question is what would one consider proprietary interest?
Collusion, proof of election interference, treason, russia gate, DNC spying on campaign, etc. all possible classified info that came into possession during his term. All personal stakes for trump. Does he have proprietary interest? Now consider restrictions to access of the records and the EO’s. (It’s late but I’ll dig for the one bouncing around in my head mañana)
Once the archivist notified Trumps attorney, he fell within the range of statue to claim executive privilege (the response claims it wasn’t filed urgently but it’s by the books). IMO, this was what caused panic and led them to obtain the shady warrant which encompassed personal effects. It’s a “good faith” loophole. I’m not sure I articulated my connections very well but this is how I foresee the judgement tomorrow.
The injunction will be denied. The special master will be allowed (it’s a slippery slope violation of the 4th amendment) The return of property will be dependent on the special master.
Sure would be something if they found something but won’t be able to use it bc it was a violation of the 4A, however, I doubt the documents they were looking for would be in his office. He’s not stupid. Tomorrow we see how Act 1657 scene 6 plays out! 😜
Thanks for this.
I think a clear picture is emerging. It almost feels like the whole thing is a communication between various factions and Trump. I put some thoughts here: https://greatawakening.win/p/15JTpBH2dt/the-dates-on-the-documents-in-th/c/
I feel like when the NARA came to see the documents, Trump communicated to them that he has these documents.
When FBI came first time to MAL, he communicated where these documents will be.
Now he has legally handed over these documents to a group in FBI. Right after that, it looks like the blackhat handler for that group - Thibault - was removed, so strings cut.
Now these filings are further communications of what else was collected, what should be sent back and what should be kept. Remember, the raid happened when the blackhat strings were not cut.
I think we are watching a very complex operation in motion.
He’s not dumb and seems to always have a plan in place. It seems there’s always a way to get the public informed and anons searching for connections. Hysterical that the media comes here to get news, even if it’s a spin off of the topic. It almost seems like he continues to weed out the corrupt. BTW… regarding another conversation we had, the more people I follow on TS, the more it seems my original theory was correct when checking the date joined
what is that thing about search and seizure...