Jesus paid it all🙏🏻♥️
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This logic doesn't fit well with me. Almighty God has to sacrifice Jesus in order to have a payment for the sins of mankind? Why couldn't he just forgive each one of us on an individual basis based on our individual actions?
Religion has to be reasonable and easily explained. This concept is absurd to me and seems more like something Europeans at that time would believe, not the people of the area Jesus was from.
I also find it peculiar that both Jews and Muslims believe in strict monotheism and God not requiring anything under any circumstance per the definition of "God".
I don't buy this one. I haven't since I was a kid. Just doesn't make any sense.
All sin has a penalty, just as all crimes should. God did not have to sacrifice Jesus (and this is where some Christians really need to read and take into account all of Scripture) Jesus, who is God come in the flesh, chose to pay the penalty for our sin Himself. As He said, John 10: 11 - 18
If Jesus is God in the Flesh why would he yell "Why have you forsaken me?" I don't understand this.
So God comes in the flesh to be a human, then gets tempted by Satan (Absurd to even think about Satan even attempting to tempt God), then gets sacrificed and asks Himself why He's forsaken Himself?
And He chooses to sacrifice His human body to pay for sins that He Himself requires payment for? What?
Again, no reasonable logic here. What makes far more sense to me in this specific context of monotheism is the Jewish and Muslim version of it. Even the Sikhs believe in One and One God only.
I've been waiting 30+ years for someone to reasonably make sense of the "God in flesh requiring payment to God in spirit yet God is one*.
That's a good question, and one that many raised in either Judaism or Islam ask all the time. He was quoting King David (Psalms 22- This Psalm is called the Crucifixion Psalm because of its explicit description of what a crucified person would have felt) as a teaching tool. God has three Persona, (dimensions, if you will) They are distinct, yet united. Sacrificing His human body for sin is a hard concept to grasp, but this illustration might help: A judge convicts an adult child of his of a traffic violation that requires payment of a fine. He and the son or daughter both know justice needs to be served, but the adult child does not have the means to pay the fine. The judge passes the sentence, then pays the fine himself after removing his Judge robe....
https://www.keithferrin.com/blog/simple_explain_trinity
How come the concept of 3 Gods was not a thing prior to the New Testament other than in Pagan circles? Why are Jews strict monotheists?
These analogies are human rationalizations. The bottom line is it makes zero sense. God is not subject to laws. By definition, He is above all constraints or else there is no God.
The idea that He had to manifest in flesh and had to pay for the sins of mankind means he is subject, and not God.
The judge in your story needs to sentence his son because he is subject to the law that was created by others. God is not subject to anything.
You cannot claim to be monotheist and rationalize these things. It's ridiculous.
R/KimJung-Un
Q: In response to your question about why couldn’t God just forgive. Why did He have to sacrifice his son?
A: because there are spiritual laws that even God Himself are subject to, as are Satan and his demons.
First to know is, there is no gray area between believing in God Almighty and choosing not to belief. Choosing not to believe is the exact same thing as choosing Satan.
Now in your why Jesus had to have his blood spilled. The spiritual laws require blood sacrifice to redeem another. It’s all in the Old Testament starting with God killing animal to use their skins to cover Adam and Eve in their nakedness and shame for their sin against God. And those laws can be seen in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and throughout the Bible right up to Jesus holding the cup of wine at the Passover declaring “this is my blood shed for you”.
Spiritual laws require blood to be paid to free the sinner from his sin. Jesus was born to die for every.single.one.of.us. And here’s the kick: he died for us while we were still sinning!
Wherever a drop of His sacred blood (remember His Father is Almighty God who gave Jesus perfect blood! For where does a baby gets it’s DNA for blood from? It’s father!) spilled, was redeemed from the curse of sin and death.
That’s just the beginning. When He rose from the grave, he put eternal death under his feet so that we too will rise from the grave and live eternally with Him in glory!
And all we have to do? Believe and confess Jesus is Lord over our life. Some call it cheap grace. I call it Everlasting Love and Grace.
Spiritual laws that God is subject to? Oh my lol this is a new one. God is not God if He is subject to anything. By definition that invalidates the entire word "God".
Not buying it. "Spiritual laws require..." sounds like rationalizing unreasonable belief systems.
How come there is no need for God to sacrifice anything for Jews in regards to sin? In Judaism it's as simple as asking for forgiveness in sincerity and trying not to do it again. As is Islam as is Sikhism.
Again, it makes no sense that God would come in the flesh and be tempted by Satan, a creation of His own for the riches of the world, another creation of His own only to be sacrificed for Himself by Himself required of Himself. Makes no sense lol
Ok you’ve made your mind up. God bless you.
I've only offered questions that people love to give analogies on. The reality of the situation is that the 3 in 1 concept wasn't even around during Jesus time. It's a creation of Rome to keep control of the masses.
Fren, God is perfectly just also. You can think of him as High King and Judge. Do you feel justice is done when a criminal is set free with no punishment? It would not be very just right? Even if the victim has forgiven him, the crime still happened.
This is the concept of atonement, which you can read about in detail here, starting at "Vicarious Atonement" https://carm.org/doctrine-and-theology/substitutionary-atonement-of-jesus-christ/
Matt Slick is very logical and is glad to answer any further questions you have. I am glad to also!
But God can punish and serve justice as He wills on an individual basis lol. I don't see why He would need to sacrifice anything, anyone and frankly Himself in some weird transition to being human and asking Himself why he forsake Himself.
The trinity makes no sense to me. Never has.
He could punish and serve justice as He wills, but then he wouldn't be perfectly just right?
The posters above replied to most of your others questions here and I agree with them.
The Trinity is our best understanding of how God has revealed Himself to be 3 persons. This is consistent with the Jewish Torah. God said We (plural pronoun) will create Man in Our (plural) image. There are many examples in the Torah where the Messenger of the Lord (pre-incarnate Jesus) visits people and is treated as and worshipped as God. But that is a pretty deep theological conversation I can point you to some good resources on it if you're interested.
Why wouldn't that be just? "I am God. I judge all. End of story". By definition of the word "God" that fits as it should.
It seems most aren't even aware of the Trinity is. It was added 70 years after Jesus death and had nothing to do with him or his words lol. Nothing.
Rome created it.
We is a term to describe magnificence and more importantly, it's royal. In Islam Allah is reference with a "we" as well. This is not evidence of plurality lol
The queen of England referenced herself (singular) as "we" but it doesn't mean she's describing 3 entities. She's speaking as royalty.
I've seen all the resources brother. The point of questioning it was to make others think about how ridiculous it is to try and justify a 3-1 but 1 God.
A God that is subject to "spiritual laws" (another anon actually wrote that.
Whatever, it is what it is lol