What is this thread all about?
Just a place for general discussion. A place to unload whats on your mind and talk about anything - personal, health, help needed, achievements, daily highs and daily lows, theories, predictions and what have you.
Does not need to be Q related.
Can we talk about sex?
I spent most of my life with a fairly hedonistic attitude. That's changed, but I don't know where to draw the lines. What constitutes adultery/sin? Sex outside of marriage, sure. But what's sex? Does that include oral and other activities? My mother and father have admitted to doing oral pre-marriage, yet they considered themselves devout Christians. If the answer is yes, it includes all sensual activity, then that means kissing too? Petting? Cuddling? Taking it that far seems kinda silly, but I dunno.
What about just looking? Is looking at a naked woman a sin? Probably, you shouldn't tempt yourself. But what about, say, a woman in a bikini? Does not sinning mean never going to a beach? Half the women in public dress like whores nowadays, I find even just walking through a mall to be a very distracting ordeal. Does not sinning mean removing myself from society? That doesn't seem right. Where do you draw the lines?
All advice is welcome.
If you think that a quantum existence God that transcends dimensions actually cares what his favorite flesh and blood organisms do with their bodies, then you're being a bit unrealistic. You could say this line of thought excuses homosexuality or transgenderism, but the difference is a woman in sexy clothes or you hooking up with a random coworker doesn't violate NATURAL laws and the way humans were designed whereas chopping off your penis or sodomy are absolutely violating natural laws and intelligent design. The sin of cheating isn't the sex itself, it is the emotional and existential betrayal of the church - bride system that marriages emulates. It's the breaking of a vow and of consciousness. That's why multiple marriages worked. There was no vow breaking. However, in today's work what woman wouldn't feel jealousy or resentment towards another? Most polygamous situations are based purely in lust and are absolutely sinful. Even then, that lust usually isn't of pure consciousness. It's why teenagers making out or college students hooking up can be free of sin, because many times the consciousness is clear and it is simply an exploration of ones sexual consciousness.
Modern religion is no different from Islam or Sharia law in that it attempts to control what humans do, even down to how they dress in the name supposed morality or values. Those women are not whores, they may be trying to attract the male of the species or impose dominance on the other females around her, but it does not mean she is morally flawed or sinful.
As for your own reponse, it is natural and healthy to appreciate aesthetic beauty around you. The difference is, does the cute girl in booty shorts at the mall make you cheat on your monogamous partner? Does the mere thought of that girl in those shorts make your loved one unattractive or less worthy? If it does, the problem lies solely on your own lack of conviction or resolve and perhaps attempting to be virtuous is beyond you.
And truly, it may be unnecessary. Monogamy is absolutely the best for raising children and monogamy is the best for establishing deep and personal friendship with your partner. However, I don't think one should hold themselves celibate until they meet THE one. A lot of people here believe in pair bonding and I assure you it's absolute BS. It only applies to lower domain humans and they're lost regardless of what they do.
The truth is a lot of people here would have no issue going full theocracy and eventually Sharia. I see no difference between militant Christianity and Islam, both should be eradicated from the planet so the true faith in Christ may prosper.
Just live fren, live.
Jesus said, 'If you look with lust in your heart' . It's one thing to notice beauty, another to wish you could 'get a room' with the person. I agree, women are responsible to dress in a way that does not lead men into temptation. (And, yes I am one!) Men are responsible to respect her choice to remain a virgin until marriage- and she should respect his, if he shares this is his desire.
As far as pre-marital, I'd give more lee-way to an engaged couple, but would also suggest they marry as soon as they can get enough together to get their own place. Intent to marry really is a key here: when couples jump the gun, but then marry, I think we are better off treating them with grace.
"Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
It's not what you do, but the heart and mind with which you do it.
When you look at a member of the opposite sex, do you see them with God's eyes, thinking how precious they are and how you can love them without a selfish heart, or do you see them with fallen eyes, thinking of how they can fulfill your desire and needs?
This is the dividing line.
If God blesses a marriage, it means He has given his blessing and permission for that couple to engage in conjugal love. Such love outside of God's blessing is not God's. And if it's not God's, well, who's is it? We know the answer to that question.
Very well put! Tyvm
You could always just "soak" it like the mormons.
Why don't you be guided by your own conscience and not obey what other people think and say. There are enough chains and laws put on us by globalists controllers without having to bow down to what the neighbours or your parents or church think.
It's your life...live it
And consider what you would consider 'faithful' behavior for your significant other, as well. Would you be ok with the same guidelines for both of you? Where does friendship versus emotional commitment (even platonic) for those outside of your 'couplw' bond begin and end.
Never mentioned couple .....never mentioned faithful
It doesn't matter how many laws are brought in people will disobey if they choose to.
You cannot command another person or coerce another
Your conscience is the guide for you...not others.
As Gurdjieff pointed out man thinks he is one....he is not...
.unless he has developed willpower.... reached I AM ...master of his house.....and in control of the many 'selves' a man has then no one is in a position to make a promise he can keep to another as first one then another will take temporary control and behave differently than another 'self' ....