We ought to get out of NATO simply because we are footing over half of it.
As far is Russia is concerned, here is the reason why Russia has made this move to withdraw from the west bank of the Dnieper River in the Kherson Oblast. The Dnieper river is big and wide. It provides logistical problems for Russia on the west bank. This area west of the river is open steppe country. Russia is wisely uses the east bank as the demarcation line for defense.
Three influential effects will happen as a result of Russia's move. First, recognize the goal is to win the war. Never fight a battle when it risks losing a large number of personnel and equipment. Battles need to be fought strategically and this sometimes means withdrawing from territory that provides too much risk for supplies and personnel and repositioning them to other areas. The west bank of the Dnieper river poses such a problematic strategy.
The UkoNazis have been planning an offensive in the region. Many of their troops have been moved here readying for their planned Kherson offensive. In response, Russia wisely is avoiding a bloody conflict to which military personnel would be lost and instead reestablished a fairly impenetrable defense on the east bank of the Dnieper River. This move avoids the Russian military on the west bank from being cut off from supplies and reinforcements. The logistics for adequately supplying the west bank Russian military is very difficult.
The 2nd influential effect will be the immediate consequence of the media response being bad for Russia publicity wise. However, the 3rd influential effect will be this strategy is actually very wise for the longer term both in strategy and PR because the action of withdrawing Russian troops from the west bank will allow many of these troops to be redeployed in the Donetsk and Luhansk region. As a result, the Uko forces will decouple their offensive in the Kherson region. No battle will occur there. Russia simply withdraws temporarily.
The objective is to reinforce the territory already controlled with military personnel. The Russian offensive will occur in the Donesk and Luhansk regions because the logistics there is so much easier for Russia to supply with armaments. Once the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts are 'filled' out and the remaining territory taken, the focus will turn to the Zaporizhzhia Oblast and a return to the Kherson Oblast. In the end, the long term objective is sound. However, the short-term media response will be bad for Russia and will only encourage the West and NATO.
East bank is also higher than West bank: so easier to lob arty.
I have been interested in the last paragraph. The media frenzy of "Russia is weak" will encourage some silly NATO move. Which will prolly lead to their slaughter. We shall see.
Ukraine has no air force and the war is mainly a land war. This makes the Dnieper River a very, very good defensive line. When winter sets in, Ukraine is going to have major electrical and running water problems. A better of a third of Ukraine has no heating and running water. There may be a crisis of people leaving the Ukraine to seek better living conditions in Europe. The Europeans are already taxed with Uko refugees already. Time is on Russia's side. A cold winter will bring an entirely different political climate favoring Russia.
Think about this. Russia blew up a bridge as they left this area. This has left the Ukraine military no way of getting across the river. What country has Russia amassed 40,000 troops in to protect it? Belarus. Can Russia enter Belarus via Russia? Yes. What city is very, very close to Belarus? Kiev.
The Russians are waiting on the ground to freeze. This could happen at any time soon. General Winter also brings about leaves falling off trees. What are hiding in the trees? Who will need to build fires to keep warm and signal their positions? Not Russia. Kherson was infested with Nazis and their days are numbered. The Ukraine military cannot go forward as the Dneiper is in front of them. Can they go back? Possibly but that’s suicide. They’re trapped with 60,000 needing supplies and munitions. With no enemy to fight and the Russian military being refreshed, General Winter will be a pleasant reprieve from the meat grinder Zelensky has been throwing them into. There are riots across Europe and people are getting a small taste of no gas for heating. Financially Europe is gone. There are countries now not wanting to send any more money or weapons. US supplied equipment is being bought out of mothballs and is almost 20-30 years old.
Quite right. IMHO, the Russian government knows the slow grind of battle can lead to fatigue. Time is a factor that Russia is weighing and it is to the Russian's advantage to wait and let the West and NATO get tired of funneling money into Ukraine. Putin knows Americans are waking up to this money pit in Ukraine. So, the attitude in Moscow is to establish good defensive lines and move military assets behind the Dnieper River and wait for winter to arrive. The Ukrainian people are going to be really impacted by the cold weather and the lack of heat and running water. This is going to cause the United States and EU to really come to terms with their own energy issues. Time is on Russia's side.
Another thing is without heating and water, there will be another refugee crisis heading to Europe. They can barely cope with the refugees from war torn countries in the ME and it estimated that 8 million will descend on Europe from Ukraine. But while there is some gas reserves for this winter, they are saying that next winter will be much, much worse.
hahahah stop watching cnn dude, Russia is not losing. If they wanted to crush the shithole, they could. But they dont want to hurt civilians. And our corrupt governments are giving the ukrane criminals support via weapons, intel and money.
Technically, he did not say that. He said: Russia can't beat Ukraine. Can't is a matter of objective. 1st it was never the objective, 2nd It seems there is a sort of deal for the moment. Hence: can't.
All the speculation on how far Russia would go .....
LOL. Read up about Pyrrhic victories.
Russia is not losing.
I think OP is aware of that and was sarcastically pointing out of we are to believe the narrative then the USA is not needed to be involved
sarcasm does not travel very well down the interweb wires, for some reason. Apologies if it was not received.
Yeah, i thought my sarcasm was obvious.
it was to me
We ought to get out of NATO simply because we are footing over half of it.
As far is Russia is concerned, here is the reason why Russia has made this move to withdraw from the west bank of the Dnieper River in the Kherson Oblast. The Dnieper river is big and wide. It provides logistical problems for Russia on the west bank. This area west of the river is open steppe country. Russia is wisely uses the east bank as the demarcation line for defense.
Three influential effects will happen as a result of Russia's move. First, recognize the goal is to win the war. Never fight a battle when it risks losing a large number of personnel and equipment. Battles need to be fought strategically and this sometimes means withdrawing from territory that provides too much risk for supplies and personnel and repositioning them to other areas. The west bank of the Dnieper river poses such a problematic strategy.
The UkoNazis have been planning an offensive in the region. Many of their troops have been moved here readying for their planned Kherson offensive. In response, Russia wisely is avoiding a bloody conflict to which military personnel would be lost and instead reestablished a fairly impenetrable defense on the east bank of the Dnieper River. This move avoids the Russian military on the west bank from being cut off from supplies and reinforcements. The logistics for adequately supplying the west bank Russian military is very difficult.
The 2nd influential effect will be the immediate consequence of the media response being bad for Russia publicity wise. However, the 3rd influential effect will be this strategy is actually very wise for the longer term both in strategy and PR because the action of withdrawing Russian troops from the west bank will allow many of these troops to be redeployed in the Donetsk and Luhansk region. As a result, the Uko forces will decouple their offensive in the Kherson region. No battle will occur there. Russia simply withdraws temporarily.
The objective is to reinforce the territory already controlled with military personnel. The Russian offensive will occur in the Donesk and Luhansk regions because the logistics there is so much easier for Russia to supply with armaments. Once the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts are 'filled' out and the remaining territory taken, the focus will turn to the Zaporizhzhia Oblast and a return to the Kherson Oblast. In the end, the long term objective is sound. However, the short-term media response will be bad for Russia and will only encourage the West and NATO.
East bank is also higher than West bank: so easier to lob arty.
I have been interested in the last paragraph. The media frenzy of "Russia is weak" will encourage some silly NATO move. Which will prolly lead to their slaughter. We shall see.
Ukraine has no air force and the war is mainly a land war. This makes the Dnieper River a very, very good defensive line. When winter sets in, Ukraine is going to have major electrical and running water problems. A better of a third of Ukraine has no heating and running water. There may be a crisis of people leaving the Ukraine to seek better living conditions in Europe. The Europeans are already taxed with Uko refugees already. Time is on Russia's side. A cold winter will bring an entirely different political climate favoring Russia.
Think about this. Russia blew up a bridge as they left this area. This has left the Ukraine military no way of getting across the river. What country has Russia amassed 40,000 troops in to protect it? Belarus. Can Russia enter Belarus via Russia? Yes. What city is very, very close to Belarus? Kiev.
The Russians are waiting on the ground to freeze. This could happen at any time soon. General Winter also brings about leaves falling off trees. What are hiding in the trees? Who will need to build fires to keep warm and signal their positions? Not Russia. Kherson was infested with Nazis and their days are numbered. The Ukraine military cannot go forward as the Dneiper is in front of them. Can they go back? Possibly but that’s suicide. They’re trapped with 60,000 needing supplies and munitions. With no enemy to fight and the Russian military being refreshed, General Winter will be a pleasant reprieve from the meat grinder Zelensky has been throwing them into. There are riots across Europe and people are getting a small taste of no gas for heating. Financially Europe is gone. There are countries now not wanting to send any more money or weapons. US supplied equipment is being bought out of mothballs and is almost 20-30 years old.
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Quite right. IMHO, the Russian government knows the slow grind of battle can lead to fatigue. Time is a factor that Russia is weighing and it is to the Russian's advantage to wait and let the West and NATO get tired of funneling money into Ukraine. Putin knows Americans are waking up to this money pit in Ukraine. So, the attitude in Moscow is to establish good defensive lines and move military assets behind the Dnieper River and wait for winter to arrive. The Ukrainian people are going to be really impacted by the cold weather and the lack of heat and running water. This is going to cause the United States and EU to really come to terms with their own energy issues. Time is on Russia's side.
Another thing is without heating and water, there will be another refugee crisis heading to Europe. They can barely cope with the refugees from war torn countries in the ME and it estimated that 8 million will descend on Europe from Ukraine. But while there is some gas reserves for this winter, they are saying that next winter will be much, much worse.
Is it still the same as 6 years ago, when only the USA and Poland were giving the required minimum?
hahahah stop watching cnn dude, Russia is not losing. If they wanted to crush the shithole, they could. But they dont want to hurt civilians. And our corrupt governments are giving the ukrane criminals support via weapons, intel and money.
Technically, he did not say that. He said: Russia can't beat Ukraine. Can't is a matter of objective. 1st it was never the objective, 2nd It seems there is a sort of deal for the moment. Hence: can't.
All the speculation on how far Russia would go .....
You mean can't beat the US, Ukraine and the rest of the world
Our idiot leaders will never leave NATO - too. useful for them.