Not sure where that is from, but typically these folks use the word "love" to mean the carnal sort of love. These folks think that passion should rule their lives (and yours). Pathos, not Logos.
As such, they are at best Rousseau-ian. But, really, it is just better to say they are Satanic.
It's the second half of the quote you just quoted. It is the second line that follows the line you posted in crowleys work. You speak with such authority but reveal that you are clueless about what you speak, only repeating what others have fed you.
The Trinity in esoteric religions is the heart, the mind, and the will. Crowley was very big on will above all (and then the degenerate died a heroin addict with no will of his own, the irony).
Love under will means to act with love (open to interpretation) within your own will, or what YOU want to accomplish.
As usual the fundamentalist nutjobs in here go nuts and act out their own version of “everything is proof of white supremacy and systemic racism”. Only instead, it’s “everything is proof satanism is in all things in the secular world”
Effectively what the thelemic law states is that no man can control man or should control man, only gods will controls man.
Crowley was a giant piece of shi, flawed like all of us, but he did have really solid writing and ideas. His over all concept is that there is a divine will for all of us, and all we need to do is to tap into it and play the role. Whether that means you are charles fucking Manson or Nikola Tesla is irrelevant, as each role plays a part.
Inb4 some dolt takes a quote from Crowley out of context to push their agenda … same way atheist cucks will try to put all their eggs in one basket based on a passage about keeping slaves or women being seen and not heard
You trying to explain how it’s possible to extract good logical philosophical insight from the life and writings of Crowley is like watching someone lick the choad of a gangbanged tranny and turn around to explain to people about how the salt you extracted is actually beneficial to the human body.
The entire quote is actually "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. "
You are god, there IS a right and wrong, but you must choose it. You can't force others to be good. You can't stop others from being evil. It can't be forced. You can only help others to make the choice to do good or evil.
He said at a point early in his journey, that his purpose was to.... bring forth restricted light and knowledge to the world, by 'playing the role' of the anti-christ.
He was more chaos than pure black (at first at least) and tried out lots of religions ideas, and served many deities/ entities in a scientific manner to figure out what they were all about and how useful each was (and suggested to others to do the same, instead of relying on what we are told)
He had a really tough childhood and did NOT like the hypocritical control system religions with false promises and answers that was shoved at him, and was all about rebelling against that, and making Christians open their eyes up to the lies of the church and get the hidden world out of the shadows and out into the public consciousness.
His 'great work' was exposing the secrets of the church elders, secret societies, political string pullers, and elite cabal circles. To do this, he had to become them in the most extreme way. He saw himself as 'sacrificing' his life for others, to wash away the secrets of the past and bring forth the same truths Jesus was talking about from a different angle in an increasingly atheist world where the religion and 'science' around the 'supernatural' had become a mockery of the real truths of this reality.
The greatest lie the devil ever spread was that he didn't exist.
Crowley puts people on the path to God, in his own twisted way, by showing them the devil and pure evil are real & the consequences of living that life path.
at least, that was what he told himself and others at one point.... Could have been lies.
How goes it Mahvelous Marvin, my "no virus" comrade in arms!!
I don't take that same "meaning" at all. I'm not making any moral judgments, just evaluating the words on their face.
To me it means what it says without adding anything else to it; you are free to do whatever you want irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences.
You don't have to be "God" to do whatever you want. You are able to "do as thou wilt" in any given moment, which is effectively "you have free will" as I see it. That's all.
Others on this thread have mentioned that a lot of these "esoteric" beliefs are not good or bad, but that thinking makes it so (quote from Shakespeare). Meaning, there are powers in the universe, and one can wield these powers for good or for evil. You decide.
And then there’s others on here who know who about people like Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and about their fun little clubs like the theosophical society and the esalen institute. We understand the creation of the melting pot of esoteric religions and mysticism through the emergence of the plethora of new age spiritualism choices that they created to trick naive people into joining their lucifarian intentions without realizing that the ideas and philosophies they adhere to were created and disseminated by lucifarians.
"The word “thou” originates from Old English. Although is used as an ordinary pronoun meaning “you,” it was once used in certain Bible translations to refer exclusively to God and was capitalized."
So it can be translated to "Do What God Wills." Though I believe it's sort of both. Crowley spoke of finding one's True Will. Which is free will but aligned with God - one's true purpose.
thanks for speaking truth among the lies being spread in here by people who have likely never cracked open any of crowleys works before, let alone truly are “awakened” and allow themselves to take advantage of the freedom of thought our creator struggles to give us.
Crowley himself is a pretty shitty person, but his insights/wisdoms and what have you tend to be very solid.
Personally my favorite bit is about explaining nuit and hadit.
Of course there are. Benefits and consequences follow one's choices. Nonetheless, in any given moment the option to choose is always available to each of us.
Having Free Will biblically speaking is an inference drawing from the fact that life is about making decisions. The entire rest of the Bible is about making good decisions.
The best news of ALL though, is that you only have to make 1 right decision for salvation. That is the decision to accept Jesus' FREE gift.
We're not always going to make the best decisions, look at the garden for instance, slipped up pretty big time there didn't we??
However, I will not stand by this comparison. His teachings were awful. He encouraged indulgence to the point of infection, and then encouraged the spread of those acquired infections. He was truly the most evil man alive during his time for with what he let loose on this world.
Although everything is as it should be, and must be, because it is.
In my opinion, "will" should ever be striving towards the ONLY WILL, that EVER WILL happen. Because no matter what we do, ANYBODY, The LORD's Will still continues.
You either play for HIM, or you play against HIM, but either way, you are still playing HIS game.
I don't mean to be a douche with these words either, just doing my best with what I have read in The Word.
Not offended. It just appears to me to be a matter of interpretation. And I'm not suggesting that just because there are "good" or "bad" things one can choose to do with one's free will, you should just go ahead and do them all regardless because the option is there. What I'm suggesting is that the "rules of the game" are you have the option to "do as thou wilt" with your "free will". That's how this realm works, that's all.
What Crowley and his thelema acolytes chose to do was exercise their "free will" from the dark side of the force. A choice no different than choosing to exercise one's "free will" toward the light side of the force. Each are "free will" choices as the option is always granted and available in every moment to "do as thou wilt" irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences thereof.
Thus, the demonic "do as thou wilt" message Crowley received was merely stating the obvious. The message he did NOT receive was "Do as thou wilt without consequences or ramifications". And I think Crowley knew this was so. He was attempting to fully polarize to the dark side to gain maximum power in this direction. I believe he was made aware of how powerful he could become by doing so, similar to the powers generated by the likes of people like Rasputin and Ghengis Khan. He was the "Darth Vader" of his era so to speak. There seems to always be at least one such individual in every era acting as a "balancing force" to maintain polar equilibrium.
For reals though, I really don't like this Crowley fella. Encouraging his followers to go get std's and then go out and purposely give them to other people...
Encouraging people to have sex with animals dead or alive.
Performing ancient Magick that should very well be left alone. Namely from the grimoire of Abramelin...
I am glad I did not offend fren. This is exactly why I love this community.
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm not advocating for a single thing Crowley and his acolytes ever did. Some reprehensible, horrific stuff without a doubt, who could argue otherwise?
But at the end of the day, they were all simply exercising their free will, which is the "whole of the law", for better or for worse.
Isn't "Do as thou wilt" the same thing as "You have free will"?
There are dark and light aspects to most occulted knowledge, including Thelema.
Remember that evil cannot create, it only corrupts and inverts.
Mark Passio is the expert if you would like to dive in: https://youtu.be/ozXV0WpWP9k
Of course. I've been listening to Passio for many years. He understands many interesting aspects about the dark side for sure.
The entire quote is "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law."
Meaning, you are God. Meaning, there is no right or wrong, only what you want.
What does "love is the law, love under will" mean?
Not sure where that is from, but typically these folks use the word "love" to mean the carnal sort of love. These folks think that passion should rule their lives (and yours). Pathos, not Logos.
As such, they are at best Rousseau-ian. But, really, it is just better to say they are Satanic.
It's the second half of the quote you just quoted. It is the second line that follows the line you posted in crowleys work. You speak with such authority but reveal that you are clueless about what you speak, only repeating what others have fed you.
The Trinity in esoteric religions is the heart, the mind, and the will. Crowley was very big on will above all (and then the degenerate died a heroin addict with no will of his own, the irony).
Love under will means to act with love (open to interpretation) within your own will, or what YOU want to accomplish.
As usual the fundamentalist nutjobs in here go nuts and act out their own version of “everything is proof of white supremacy and systemic racism”. Only instead, it’s “everything is proof satanism is in all things in the secular world”
Effectively what the thelemic law states is that no man can control man or should control man, only gods will controls man.
Crowley was a giant piece of shi, flawed like all of us, but he did have really solid writing and ideas. His over all concept is that there is a divine will for all of us, and all we need to do is to tap into it and play the role. Whether that means you are charles fucking Manson or Nikola Tesla is irrelevant, as each role plays a part.
Inb4 some dolt takes a quote from Crowley out of context to push their agenda … same way atheist cucks will try to put all their eggs in one basket based on a passage about keeping slaves or women being seen and not heard
You trying to explain how it’s possible to extract good logical philosophical insight from the life and writings of Crowley is like watching someone lick the choad of a gangbanged tranny and turn around to explain to people about how the salt you extracted is actually beneficial to the human body.
The entire quote is actually "Do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. "
You are god, there IS a right and wrong, but you must choose it. You can't force others to be good. You can't stop others from being evil. It can't be forced. You can only help others to make the choice to do good or evil.
Fair enough, but in the case of Mr. Crowley, it doesn't appear he chose the White. It appears he chose the Black.
But, also, I wasn't there. I don't know.
He said at a point early in his journey, that his purpose was to.... bring forth restricted light and knowledge to the world, by 'playing the role' of the anti-christ.
He was more chaos than pure black (at first at least) and tried out lots of religions ideas, and served many deities/ entities in a scientific manner to figure out what they were all about and how useful each was (and suggested to others to do the same, instead of relying on what we are told)
He had a really tough childhood and did NOT like the hypocritical control system religions with false promises and answers that was shoved at him, and was all about rebelling against that, and making Christians open their eyes up to the lies of the church and get the hidden world out of the shadows and out into the public consciousness.
His 'great work' was exposing the secrets of the church elders, secret societies, political string pullers, and elite cabal circles. To do this, he had to become them in the most extreme way. He saw himself as 'sacrificing' his life for others, to wash away the secrets of the past and bring forth the same truths Jesus was talking about from a different angle in an increasingly atheist world where the religion and 'science' around the 'supernatural' had become a mockery of the real truths of this reality.
The greatest lie the devil ever spread was that he didn't exist.
Crowley puts people on the path to God, in his own twisted way, by showing them the devil and pure evil are real & the consequences of living that life path.
at least, that was what he told himself and others at one point.... Could have been lies.
How goes it Mahvelous Marvin, my "no virus" comrade in arms!!
I don't take that same "meaning" at all. I'm not making any moral judgments, just evaluating the words on their face.
To me it means what it says without adding anything else to it; you are free to do whatever you want irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences.
You don't have to be "God" to do whatever you want. You are able to "do as thou wilt" in any given moment, which is effectively "you have free will" as I see it. That's all.
Others on this thread have mentioned that a lot of these "esoteric" beliefs are not good or bad, but that thinking makes it so (quote from Shakespeare). Meaning, there are powers in the universe, and one can wield these powers for good or for evil. You decide.
Indeed. One of my favorite quotes. Hard for most to come to terms with.
Here's another: "Out beyond the realm of right-doing and wrong-doing there's a field; I'll meet you there" - Rumi
And then there’s others on here who know who about people like Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey and about their fun little clubs like the theosophical society and the esalen institute. We understand the creation of the melting pot of esoteric religions and mysticism through the emergence of the plethora of new age spiritualism choices that they created to trick naive people into joining their lucifarian intentions without realizing that the ideas and philosophies they adhere to were created and disseminated by lucifarians.
"The word “thou” originates from Old English. Although is used as an ordinary pronoun meaning “you,” it was once used in certain Bible translations to refer exclusively to God and was capitalized."
So it can be translated to "Do What God Wills." Though I believe it's sort of both. Crowley spoke of finding one's True Will. Which is free will but aligned with God - one's true purpose.
Thou is not capitalized, by Aleister Crowley. He means that you are the God. Not YHWH or whatever is your name for God.
thanks for speaking truth among the lies being spread in here by people who have likely never cracked open any of crowleys works before, let alone truly are “awakened” and allow themselves to take advantage of the freedom of thought our creator struggles to give us.
Crowley himself is a pretty shitty person, but his insights/wisdoms and what have you tend to be very solid.
Personally my favorite bit is about explaining nuit and hadit.
Yes but there’s rules.
Free will- you play by God’s rules.
Do as thou wilt- you play by satan’s rules.
Choose wisely.
Of course there are. Benefits and consequences follow one's choices. Nonetheless, in any given moment the option to choose is always available to each of us.
Having Free Will biblically speaking is an inference drawing from the fact that life is about making decisions. The entire rest of the Bible is about making good decisions.
The best news of ALL though, is that you only have to make 1 right decision for salvation. That is the decision to accept Jesus' FREE gift.
We're not always going to make the best decisions, look at the garden for instance, slipped up pretty big time there didn't we??
However, I will not stand by this comparison. His teachings were awful. He encouraged indulgence to the point of infection, and then encouraged the spread of those acquired infections. He was truly the most evil man alive during his time for with what he let loose on this world.
Although everything is as it should be, and must be, because it is.
In my opinion, "will" should ever be striving towards the ONLY WILL, that EVER WILL happen. Because no matter what we do, ANYBODY, The LORD's Will still continues.
You either play for HIM, or you play against HIM, but either way, you are still playing HIS game.
I don't mean to be a douche with these words either, just doing my best with what I have read in The Word.
Not offended. It just appears to me to be a matter of interpretation. And I'm not suggesting that just because there are "good" or "bad" things one can choose to do with one's free will, you should just go ahead and do them all regardless because the option is there. What I'm suggesting is that the "rules of the game" are you have the option to "do as thou wilt" with your "free will". That's how this realm works, that's all.
What Crowley and his thelema acolytes chose to do was exercise their "free will" from the dark side of the force. A choice no different than choosing to exercise one's "free will" toward the light side of the force. Each are "free will" choices as the option is always granted and available in every moment to "do as thou wilt" irrespective of the moral benefits or consequences thereof.
Thus, the demonic "do as thou wilt" message Crowley received was merely stating the obvious. The message he did NOT receive was "Do as thou wilt without consequences or ramifications". And I think Crowley knew this was so. He was attempting to fully polarize to the dark side to gain maximum power in this direction. I believe he was made aware of how powerful he could become by doing so, similar to the powers generated by the likes of people like Rasputin and Ghengis Khan. He was the "Darth Vader" of his era so to speak. There seems to always be at least one such individual in every era acting as a "balancing force" to maintain polar equilibrium.
Extremely Nice Write Up!!
Slam Dunkin'!!!
For reals though, I really don't like this Crowley fella. Encouraging his followers to go get std's and then go out and purposely give them to other people...
Encouraging people to have sex with animals dead or alive.
Performing ancient Magick that should very well be left alone. Namely from the grimoire of Abramelin...
I am glad I did not offend fren. This is exactly why I love this community.
u/#pepeguitar
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm not advocating for a single thing Crowley and his acolytes ever did. Some reprehensible, horrific stuff without a doubt, who could argue otherwise?
But at the end of the day, they were all simply exercising their free will, which is the "whole of the law", for better or for worse.
Cheers.
Kek.