I’ve asked this before, but never get a satisfactory answer… If Ukraine LOSES the war to Russia, what happens to all the billions in dollars and material we’ve sent them? Who owes us? How do we get repaid and made whole? My guess is we are just screwed… we gave away the American taxpayers money without permission and contributed mightily to our deepening debt… essentially we threw money down the toilet.
You never see this brought up in the media, for “reasons”. I suspect it’s because it’s just a continuation of the money-laundering operation that has been going on there since before this skirmish. The higher ups in media are controlled by their masters who probably benefit from the laundering.
Yes. There is no “IF” with regard to Ukraine losing. Ukraine doesn’t stand a chance and will consider itself lucky to remain on the world map when all is said and done.
It didn’t have to be this way but International Jews love spending other people’s money and blood.
I can’t see Putin giving up or retreating. They can escalate the weaponry at any time if Ukraine starts gaining ground. The only way I see this ending is Ukraine giving Putin enough concessions to satisfy him. One problem is none of the cabal wants to see the laundromat shut down.
Stop noticing things!
If you place a LOSING BET... you don't get repaid or made whole. You lose your money. That's why it's called gambling.
The U.S. is gambling on Ukraine's future. If we lose, we can't reasonably expect any repayment. Whatever money we spent on Ukraine is just a loss.
But we may very well have to pay reparations of some sort after the war ends.
No refunds
Put it like this … we just gave Russia carte blanch to all our technology… we not only shot ourself in the foot we shoved the shotgun up our ass and pulled the trigger… but other than that …. Money gone poof
We The People LOSE either way....we will never see a return of those monies and the equipment/supplies are forever gone too. Chalk it up either way as to total loss for us...If Ukraine were to somehow come out with a win (which i seriously doubt will happen) the only people to benefit will be the elite and corrupt politicians.
It doesn't matter. It's all fiat currency. Print as much as they need. It's a house of cards that's about to collapse. We will all be made whole with the repatriation of our gold and the new currency.
We need to place the debt on all the corrupt SOBs and have them work it off in lithium mines and such
Ukr has already lost, months ago. You will get nothing back. The 'money' is fiat: essentially, it is worthless. What the IMF et al claim it's worth is its only worth. This has been so since the fed was established. Nixon removed the gold standard to finalize the process. When "they" want (not need) more money, "they" print it. The purpose of the Russian "invasion" was to expose and protect. Since the projects were close to completion in the bio facilities, Russia had to act. IMO this was planned long ago, since the US funded said labs beginning 2004. Exposure at this time coincides with the takedown of the global empire. We still have a long way to go down that path, and it will be bumpy. To destroy the empire, its infrastructure must also be destroyed. That includes people involved, and there will be collateral damage.
Addressing another comment in this thread, don't worry too much about our US tech being apprehended by Russia. If you're following the "war", you'll know the Russians have used stuff that's well beyond what we flaunt in public. You should also understand that Trump and Putin have, without question, shared a substantial quantity of tech; this exchange dates back into the early days of the cia. A for instance is Vietnam: my training group got instruction on both cia methodology in explosives and Russian methodology in chemistry (poisons). There was a covert share program since approximately the Korean War.
The weaponry available to some (few) aspects of the military is well beyond the scope of standard battlefield ops, including SpecOps. Some of what we have I have witnessed personally. As Johnson stated before his death, "You know all that stuff in Star Wars? Well, we already have that." Russia has similar types of tech. Some of you will believe this, some not. Rest assured that the tech you see every day is old tech: basically, the only thing new is the shrinking of parts. Argue if you want, but here's one example: I have a pdf taken of the original research paper, by UC Los Alamos, titled "Use of homopolar generators and superconductors as power supplies for high energy space based lasers." The paper was filed in Dec 1974 and finalized Feb 1975. In 1979, I was shown one of the proof of concept lasers in Silicon Valley, power 6 MW. The laser was contained in approximately a 4 ft cube, and could cut through 1" steel plate like it was warm butter. By the time I saw it, the engineer in the firm that built it said the lasers had been placed in orbit. That was 1979.
Q et al have and are using the tech developed by DS against them, besides having their own developments more advanced than DS.
Do you have an example?
A hypersonic missile launched in what appears to be a barrel of sorts, straight up, lights up and impacts a target over the horizon (horizon is generally considered to be 20 miles on flat land, ocean etc) within a couple seconds. A tank encountering a nazi roadblock; uses a unique form of explosive round from what appears to be 2-3 hundred meters distant. The round explodes roughly above those manning the post in more than a dozen places, on a plane just above head height of the soldiers on the station, killing all. The video shows the tank crew examining the dead soldiers. That was a single round from the tank. There is little doubt in my mind that such things exist, for one reason: in 1973, I was on the team that designed/built the comm device that fit into a 105mm howitzer round, to be used for intelligent targeting. The device was required to survive 20,000 g three axis. It was sent to Sandia labs, Los Alamos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_XM8
This was in the SOCOM video game - "smart" grenade launcher back in 2002-2003. If that was developed 20 years ago, it shouldn't be too difficult to scale it up.
Not the same thing. Not talking about grenade launchers here.
Perhaps you've encountered the minutes from the mil meet, the analysis of the Russian tactics/organization done by US 'top brass' (which I have little faith in, based on personal experience). The analysis was accurate, IMO, based on what I've seen from Ukr. Essentially, the brass stated that the US couldn't win against Russia if the US doesn't change tactics/equip/organization to fit. Keep in mind that the Russian organization of Bn size includes all those items the US keeps separate, such as anti-aircraft, long range artillery, SpecOps teams and so forth. US tactics do not includes such things, and the Russian method gives a highly mobile force that is a complete attack force. The report also stated that the Russian artillery within Bn was capable of fire nearly ten miles farther downrange than the Western counterparts.
Bear in mind that these analyses are based on conventional weapons and weapons development. None of the military analysis, mil or civilian, encompasses the true nature of what is available.
Another for-instance is the US navy research into the rail gun. The most recent "reports" claim testing somewhere between 2000-2006, as nearly as I can determine (so not necessarily of utmost accuracy; while I did have top secret, I no longer do). In fact, the navy was piddling with that thing in the 1970s; we heard of it in 1976 (I then worked in San Diego, which is the location of NUC/NELC and the main sub base, besides large Navy installations/airfields etc). Two other engineers and I designed and built one that was handheld, and did offer a very potent projectile. If the navy was fooling with it back then, it's a logical assumption that the more recent offerings are no more than distractions.
It's the technology and proof of concept. Why wouldn't it be relatively easy to scale up in 20 years?
Who are you kidding that money is probably already laundered and back into the US… #Truth
The debt is created with the central banks, not with the people. And we are on the hook for the debt, which is why they say "sending taxpayers dollars." Unfortunately, the world is ran by banks and wars are fought to enhance the debt. Banks can lend 10x more money out than they actually have, this is how they get so wealthy and control everything. There is obviously alot more to this, and honestly they make it so confusing on purpose. I thought I knew quite a bit until I watched this https://youtu.be/mDlnM481Gcg - I realize I know nothing. It's long and a bit dated, but very revealing and I think it will make sense of why the things are the way they are now days. Sorry for yt link but it is a very good documentary.
Rand Paul was the only, or first (as far as I know) congressman to call for the Zelensky Bucks to be handed out as a loan program. His idea was shot down. It's just a US taxpayer money giveaway program. Win, lose, or draw, the Zelensky Bucks will never be seen by anyone in the US (except for corrupt officials) again.
This just sucks… there are so many better things to spend that money on than being tied up in a war we have no business in. We had no strategic alliance with Ukraine prior to the conflict, thus no obligation to “assist”. Also, we shouldn’t spend one dollar one a conflict we aren’t prepared to do whatever to win… in this case, Russia vastly outnumbers everyone with nukes… we can’t expect to have Ukraine win without Russia pulling the nuke card. Is it WORTH that? No, it’s not…
When have we ever got anything back from anybody, not just Ukraine?
A great way to explain that today’s real currency is debt……
As long as Ukraine exists as a sovereign nation…. it will owe the debt…. Just like Germany did after WW2…… there will always be some form of repayment….
The USA and the others are creating debt In sending the money…..
It’s a merry go round of debt……
That’s a big part as to why they need us to “own nothing and be happy’ because they want to write off their debt and start clean with digital currency and the digital passport….leading to The Social Credit System ….. The laws (directly and indirectly) already exist for these to be put in place….
But if the RF forces take Ukraine and break it up into smaller autonomous states of the RF.... likely ceding historical land to the Polish…… then all bets are off …. 🤣
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