The disposition products were phosgene and hydrogen chloride.
Phosgene (COCl2) is on Schedule 3 of the Chemical Weapons Convention and was used in World War I as a poison gas weapon. Toxic effects can result from concentrations that cannot be detected by smell. It is DENSER THAN AIR and will therefore concentrate near the ground, which will explain the vulnerability of animals that are close to the ground, like foxes or chickens. The main effect is pulmonary edema. A lethal dose can manifest in 2-3 days.
Hydrogen chloride (HCl) is slightly heavier than air and will combine with water to form hydrochloric acid (stomach acid). This will happen if inhaled into the lungs.
I am astounded and appalled that the officials either were not aware of what they were doing or did not fully inform the public. (It will be an interesting question if the "homeless" were also affected like the animals, considering they tend to sleep close to the ground.)
Well what can those people do to lessen the lethal effect if they live under that cloud....And there were days that the government caused the Los Angeles clouds to resemble the cotton bubble look in the sky.
Surrounding areas should have been evacuated for a certain period of time (with an abundance of caution)
What these people can do is go visit family or a hotel for a bit of an extended vacation if they're able, and if they have to commute to the area, make arrangements for that.
Due to the nature of what was there, the lower to the ground you are the more susceptible, think carbon monoxide: You could be totally safe on your bed and drop off and suddenly die without knowing it.
I am unsure if there are consumer products for testing for what was released, but I would be looking for them / asking people I knew about them that work in industries where these sort of chemicals and gases were used.
Those gases are heavier than air. The people are either in the cloud or walking around with the cloud at their ankles. Their cats and dogs are in the cloud. With any luck, the gases should have dissipated, but not a good idea to sleep on the rug. I have to wonder if the source chemical, vinyl chloride, would have been less dangerous.
Edit: I went and checked. Vinyl chloride might be worse. No good outcome.
With luck, the stuff will abate, dilute, and degrade in a short while. As long as symptoms are not noticed, things will be okay going forward. My concern is that they failed to warn the farmers that their animals would be more vulnerable, due to the ground-hugging nature of the gases. God only knows what it did to the population of earthworms.
It was an accident. You don't have any basis for thinking otherwise. Just because evil Martians could have derailed the train doesn't mean they did. There are about 11,000 rail accidents each year, from small to large. The fatalities range from 700 to 900 per year. You really need to abandon this "there are no accidents" superstition. Life is full of accidents. We are lucky there aren't more.
The disposition products were phosgene and hydrogen chloride.
Phosgene (COCl2) is on Schedule 3 of the Chemical Weapons Convention and was used in World War I as a poison gas weapon. Toxic effects can result from concentrations that cannot be detected by smell. It is DENSER THAN AIR and will therefore concentrate near the ground, which will explain the vulnerability of animals that are close to the ground, like foxes or chickens. The main effect is pulmonary edema. A lethal dose can manifest in 2-3 days.
Hydrogen chloride (HCl) is slightly heavier than air and will combine with water to form hydrochloric acid (stomach acid). This will happen if inhaled into the lungs.
I am astounded and appalled that the officials either were not aware of what they were doing or did not fully inform the public. (It will be an interesting question if the "homeless" were also affected like the animals, considering they tend to sleep close to the ground.)
Well what can those people do to lessen the lethal effect if they live under that cloud....And there were days that the government caused the Los Angeles clouds to resemble the cotton bubble look in the sky.
Surrounding areas should have been evacuated for a certain period of time (with an abundance of caution)
What these people can do is go visit family or a hotel for a bit of an extended vacation if they're able, and if they have to commute to the area, make arrangements for that.
Due to the nature of what was there, the lower to the ground you are the more susceptible, think carbon monoxide: You could be totally safe on your bed and drop off and suddenly die without knowing it.
I am unsure if there are consumer products for testing for what was released, but I would be looking for them / asking people I knew about them that work in industries where these sort of chemicals and gases were used.
My husband's son lived .8 miles from epi center. He was not evacuated until 2 days later.
It is a shit show.
I think such advice should be given to the people. Their minds are probably so filled with chemicals they cant think for themselves. Thx
Those gases are heavier than air. The people are either in the cloud or walking around with the cloud at their ankles. Their cats and dogs are in the cloud. With any luck, the gases should have dissipated, but not a good idea to sleep on the rug. I have to wonder if the source chemical, vinyl chloride, would have been less dangerous.
Edit: I went and checked. Vinyl chloride might be worse. No good outcome.
Well hopefully people posted instructions for those residents on how to survive it long term
With luck, the stuff will abate, dilute, and degrade in a short while. As long as symptoms are not noticed, things will be okay going forward. My concern is that they failed to warn the farmers that their animals would be more vulnerable, due to the ground-hugging nature of the gases. God only knows what it did to the population of earthworms.
Polyvinyl chloride is known as PVC
It's literally one of the safest chemicals on earth.
PVC is a polymer of vinyl chloride. Vinyl chloride itself is very toxic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_chloride
PVC is a solid... long chains of vinyl. Not like vinyl chloride which is only two carbons long and very light for the non chemists
Not if it is vinyl chloride monomer (what you start with to make PVC). It is a deadly poison. Don't take my word for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_chloride
It was an accident. You don't have any basis for thinking otherwise. Just because evil Martians could have derailed the train doesn't mean they did. There are about 11,000 rail accidents each year, from small to large. The fatalities range from 700 to 900 per year. You really need to abandon this "there are no accidents" superstition. Life is full of accidents. We are lucky there aren't more.