extremely pro-vaccine person on the cusp of realising "long covid" is really vaccine doing its thang.
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Yes. I know of two. "Long covid" was a thing before the vaccine was even created. Just because you, personally, don't know of any isn't relevant.
The majority of US adults have been vaccinated. Which is why most cases you hear of long covid involve vaccinated people.
It's just a matter of statistics.
To put it a different way, 99% of car wrecks involve people wearing shoes. Does this mean shoes cause car wrecks? Of course not.
But many people refuse to believe things like this until it happens to them personally. Or someone they care about.
Remember that a good chunk of people here on GAW refused to believe covid was real or any different than the common cold or flu....until they got it themselves or a loved one caught it.
You don't see many Anons insisting Covid isn't real like they did at the beginning of the pandemic.
Which means people should, at the very least, accept the possibility that long covid isn't just vaccine injury under another name. But nope, people believe what they want and scream "shill" at anyone who dares challenge that belief.
“Long Covid” was a thing before COVID-19 was created. We just called it by different names. Now those names are being used to describe vax injury.
Not sure if I'm understanding what you're saying here, but it seems as if you're saying the vaccine isn't really to blame for the symptoms people are seeing, if it was happening before Covid-19 even came out?
I'm saying hypochondriacs have long sought doctor attention and drugs for a bunch of imagined (and real) symptoms that mostly resolve through diet, exercise and healthy choices. Just assume that has been true for a long time and there are always people who will find a reason to explain why they feel bad. Lots and lots of those people.
In 2020, those people started complaining about "long covid" but really, that was just an extension of their 2019 hypochondria.
In 2021 as people started getting injured from the vax, but more deliberately in 2022, the Legacy Media started intentionally conflating vax injury with "long covid" as a misdirection scam. They do not want to talk about vax injury so they just say these are the many side effects of covid that can take years to materialize--GET YOUR VAXXINE!
In short, vax injury is real and killing a ton of people. Covid 19 is real and not killing many people at all. Hospital protocols for covid are deadly, stay away from those places. Hypochondriacs are real and eager to be assigned something to talk about so they can convince all their friends that the reason they cannot work or do anything productive this year is "long covid."
Statistical analysis is a big part of what I do professionally.
"Which means people should, at the very least, accept the possibility that long covid isn't just vaccine injury under another name."
Exactly why I took my informal poll.
I think its an unfortunate effect some people have following any post viral recovery. Like you said, clinically long covid is indistinguishable from many other chronic fatigue like illness. So it could either be those illness or a result of the virus or possibly a result of constant exposure to EMF if your not a virus believer.
From my own layman's perspective i think its a result of the spike protein, whether it came from natural infection or from the vax its a possibility it gets into the adrenal glands, stays their and completely fucks your energy levels. I forget where i read this that the spike has been known to sit there, well i mean where doesnt it go at this point.
The issue i think is, through natural infection you have a much better chance of not having this outcome, it has to get past your mucosal defenses and other immune responses as well as having to work its way through the body the whole time its being fought by antibodies and other defenses. The vax gets direct access to your body and gets a free ride through your circulatory system bypassing mucosal entry and worse still reproduces at a much higher rate in the body, forcing your cells to then produce more of it. So then if it does get to your adrenal's, or brain, or heart its going to start telling those cells to produce the poison too.
It definitely was an issue before the vax but i believe not as much of a likely outcome through natural infection. I know there's lots trying to say it doesn't exist or its a direct result of vaccination. Maybe it doesnt and it literally is just lymes/other chronic fatigue or what i described above.
I think you're on to something here, Kurskar. As you alluded to, the spike is present in the actual virus of course, and the spike protein is a toxin. Yes, the purebloods avoid having their cells become spike protein factories, but we're still coming into contact with that spike protein when we catch covid-19 naturally. For a small percentage of un-jabbed people, that spike protein is going to cause major, major problems. Supposition of course, but I think your line of thinking here makes a ton of sense.
Ah, it seemed to me that the last bit "I certainly have not." was casting doubt, in general. My bad.
Also, I wasn't speaking only of you, specifically, but to everyone who thinks long covid isn't real or is only caused by the vax. Because they seem to be the majority here, on this forum. Or at least the most vocal.
I can't say that I don't have my suspicions as I know many, many people with vax related injuries, including "long covid" and in terms of informal, online viewing, I have yet to see anyone personally claim that they have long covid who are not jabbed.
However, I'm fully aware of the dangers of anecdotal "evidence". The other problem is that on a subject with a dearth of proper scientific discourse, that holds true on the subject of "long covid". There's very little supporting data for its existence. However if you claim to know two of these people, I certainly cannot ignore it.
Can you share any additional details on the two? I want to respect their privacy but this kind of data, anecdotal as it may be, is very important. When did they have covid originally, how long has long covid affected them, what are their symptoms, etc?
One is my niece. Mid 20s. She got covid in September of 2020, has never had the vaccine. She's had problems ever since. Lung issues, extreme fatigue. Occasional headaches, somewhat like migraines. Muscle and joint aches. Non-smoker. Non drinker. Was just normally healthy until getting covid.
The other is my pastor's wife. In her 50s. Never vaxxed. She got covid, I think, January or February last year. Former smoker. Doesn't drink. I don't know as much as much about her health history as I do my niece, but no biggies that I'm aware of (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc...). Has lots of lung problems, going to think the smoking didn't help. Also lots of fatigue. The lung problems/fatigue seem to be common. Maybe oxygen supply to blood is lower now? She's had to stop doing much of the church work she was doing before. She was very active before. Tennis and golf, grandmother, and headed up a lot of organizations at church. Doesn't play golf or tennis anymore. She gets lots of unexplained fevers now. Seems to catch every cold that comes around. Perpetual sore throat/laryngitis now.
As an aside, your downvote was not from me.