So I stopped working on the wimshurst because I was running into some manufacturing and pulley relate roadblocks to do with the strength of plastic and 3d printng and I completely scrapped what I was making and put together a Cylindrical Verison of this Lebiez Machine
It functions the same from an end user perspective and it's quite powerful.
My last parts finished printing this morning so I spent the morning putting things together and getting ready to test. Everything was perfect and everything worked the way a I was hoping without capacitors attached.
I was able to create a sustained 30 KV Arc that was powerful enough to be visible in sunlight.
I was spinning the machine with a drill at around 1,600 RPM and I basically felt no resistance from the drill to my hand, like a bit, but feather resistance kind of thing.
Now there's math to prove the output. Pretty soon I'm going to check if I can spin it with an old low tourque 48 watt AC motor with burnt out bearing XD.
If that works, I have the mathematical theory and the physical unit that proves that unlimited free energy is real. It's easy and you can do it at home, almost for free.
Then I'm going to reprint my cylinder to use sheet metal instead of foil tape. The foil tape actually screwed me over and ruined my 18 hour print 250 gram barrel.
I only got 5 minutes of fun! The stupid foil tape started tearing up and the glue and tin mixed together and shorted out the entire f-ing barrel!
It's trashed, all of the crevices are full of glue and foil.
That being said, the machine worked and it was easy to spin, that's the important part.
EDIT: Just finished the design for the barrel that'll fit the sheet metal strip......it's going to take over 600 grams of PLA and it's going to take 2.5 days on my MK3S+ lol
As a bonus, because of the way that I'm making grooves that'll fit and hold the metal strips, the sruface area for each strip is close to double the tinfoil strips area. So double the current and there's a little more space between plates, so also going to get a little more peek voltage.
Based on these numbers and my dimenstions, thanks to the upgrade in the design, I'll be making over 4 milliamps at 1800 rpm. The design also has room for more electrodes to be placed on there, so once those are in place it'll be 8 milliamps at a max of ~216 KV with the current design. That'll be 1728 Watts at 1800 RPM on a 3d printed electrostatic generator that you can pick up and carry and transport inside of anything that fits a 10 inch by 24 inch package.
Photos, videos and 3D print files are coming after I make sure the new barrel doesn't explode at speed and I have it hooked up a motor and some experiments
You gotta film that shit in action. Sounds cool
I have a tiny bit of video from right before it got ruined, I spun the shaft with my fingers and my daughter was holding the wires between 1 cm and 2 cm appart and she was watching the sparks go.
I don't want to share video of my daughter though... It was the last sparks I got to make before the foil tape got all messed up.
It's alright though, in 60 hours I'll have a new barrel and It'll be even better.
That looks like a vandegraph generator, like we had in physics class.....
BTW, wouldn't it be nice if we could have some sort of generator hooked up to an exercise bike that would store energy in bateries and had electrical outlets to plug into?
These are like vandergraphs, except they are way, way more efficient. Van Der Graafs use belts and friction to make static with the tribo-electric effect.
They are inherrently unreliable and lossy because you can't avoid the fact that friction=heat and friction = wear and tear.
These are a little different. These charge capacitor plates in an environment that's friendly to being charged and then separates them and forces the voltage on the plates to rise in response, then stores that increased voltage in a capacitor or dissipate it in a circuit.
The way these things are set up, they kind of create a positive charge vortex on one side of the machine and a negative charge vortext on the other side. The vortexs continuously siphon electrons from the positive side to the negative side until something gives because the voltage got too high or you use some of the built charge to do something.
That's a great description. So it's really an electron concentrator, aggregating ambient electrons into a useful output, the same way a raincatcher traps ambient moisture and condenses it into a bucket. Except you're actively cycling the ambient charge environment to achieve a reliable output. Am I understanding it correctly?
The storage output and protection against overcharging will be important to make the device useful, once you get there without frying the components. I suppose you could line up multiple sparkers with gateways at each one in case of overflow. Wouldn't an overflow mechanism also help prevent the components from frying?
You are understanding how this works now. Yes, these machine can be thought of as electron concentrators, like a high pressure electron pump.
Now get this: the machine is easier to spin under load 😅.
When you don't have a load drawing current, the charge concentration starts to make back pressure that you can feel in the wheel, when you relieve the back pressure by providing a load, the machine spins easier.
So when you make one of these, you can spin it unloaded and find out the maximum physical resistance to turning by forcing the machine to short circuit.
This is why I know for a fact I have overunity, that maximum physical resistance is nothing.
Like I know it isn't litterally nothing, but I can't feel the difference when I spin the little 10 mm drive shaft with my fingers, I litterally can't feel the difference between it working with electrode on it vs it working without electrode on it.
After the glue messed up my machine I spun it with a recycled 48 watt fan motor from an old walmart house fan.
The drive shaft is all messed up and crooked and the bearings are shot, so I took the fan apart because it was shaking like pain mixer and I've had the motor lying around for a year. Any ways, if I held it at the right angle and let it vibrate my hand a bit I could line it up right with a printed fitting to spin the machine.
It did, at first it was a little slow, then when I lined everything up perfect and the speed picked up, the vibrations became easier to hold and I was able to keep the tip of the output shafter steadier to drive shaft and I must have spun the barrel at like twice the speed the drill made it go.
I did that after my barrel got ruined just to see if the motor could spin it.
If it can spin it with the electrodes in place, even if the barrel is shorted, that means it can spin it when the barrel is not shorted to me because I cannot feel the difference between working and not working in terms of resistance to spinning.
The new barrel is even better, the plates stick out of the surface of the barrel by a bit, so the electrodes don't need to contact the barrel in between plates, it'll be even easier to spin.
That makes sense about the load, once I think about it like a pump. (I've studied lots of pumps. In this case it seems like it's all about the electrical equivalent to check valves, flow impediment, and product containment. Since no material is totally non-porous to electrons, it's important to channel the output safely.)
Be sure to manage the overflow instead of trying to contain it, by providing excess discharge outlets. I'm not aware of any measurements or rule-of-thumb guidelines on how much static electricity is ambient at any given time. It's like you are making a water wheel or hydro turbine, but can't know how powerful the river is because it's invisible. Stay safe!
I'm eager to hear about the next build. (And for every home to have its own generator to get rid of all those pesky overhead lines. One step at a time...)
It's not quite like that, you have to think of it more like a heat pump. It's not about how much static is ambient, it's about how much charge you can move from one side, to the other side and contain on the other side.
In other words, you are creating charge separation, quite litterally: you charge capacitor plates and then you physically separate them and create a very large charge separation.
It's creates electron density differentials, it uses electrostatic forces to do it, but it doesn't rely on drawing electrons in from anywhere, unless you attach a capacitor, in which case, you will pull electrons from one capacitor plate and concentrate them in the other.
It's really an electric analog to a heat pump.
So it's not like electrons are coming from somewhere, you're just surface ionising different parts of the circuit (providing capacitive static charge) and separating the charge.
It's a completely different approach to power generation. Normal generators force charge to move by establishing a temporary electric field with a changing magnetic field. This machine actually physically separates charge.
Yeah, I got off track. Thanks.
Like Fred Flintstone’s with the dino running it like hamsters on a wheel? Or the feet to start the car?
“Future Proves Past”...😂
Seriously, though, (edit) Kekistani_prince, excellent achievement! Well done.
Like on Gilligan's Island?
I like your experiments, and comprehend just partly what you are saying. However, I share your dream of finding a solution to the energy-challenge. I shared it with some people who are also into this sort of thing.
Keep it coming, Prince!
Kek!
If you have to input energy into the system the device is not a free energy device technically speaking. For a true free energy device to work it needs to be self sustaining with the output being great than the input. When you figure that out let's compare notes.
Will do, but if calculations from the Electronic and Computer Engineering Department of the Polytechnic School, and at at COPPE, Electrical Engineering Program, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ) are correct then at that rotaional speed, my machine provides 2.106 mA of current, since I know all the condiitons for the spark gap, I can tell you my voltage was 30 KV.
That means that I made 63 watts with my generator this morning... it's really not hard to spin.
I am impressed. Thank you for this. I can’t wait for your videos and things.
Not ready to dive into this yet but thanks on sharing your experience.
It would be good to share photos, parts list, and blue prints. :)
Your figures seem to be optimistic. 216 KV is very high and should produce an arc in air of about 100 mm.
I think that 8 milliamps is probably going to be 8 microamps. How are you measuring this current?
Also, if your 216 v is pulsed DC rather than pure DC, then your wattage figure will be significantly lower, dependent on the mark-space ratio.
So the maximum voltage these machines make, not the voltage I made in a "does it even work" test, is determined by the distance between the plates on the disk/barrel.
In my case, from anode to neutralizer bar to cathode, the electricity would need to jump across 8 plate gaps.
Because of the distance between plates my machine will only short out internally at 208 KV on the current barrel and 216 KV on the new barrel, so that's the maximum voltage my machine can match to push electrons.
These can also be thought of like voltage matching current supplies to an extent because they will raise their output voltage until the the current flow in the circuit matches what the machine is trying to produce.
This is why they spark so far, stick these in an insulating gas like helium and they produce megavolts because you eliminate interplate sparking.
The amperage these machine produce is given by the formula C = 26.55uA x A x RPM (according to the engineering department at the federal university of RIo De Janeiro ) where A is the surface are in square meters that is used to transfer charge in a rotation.
In my case I have 10 mm by 170mm strips (18x180 on the new barrel) and there is 30 of them
So with that surface area the original barrel produces 1.37 uA per rotation.
Since I have that, I can just multiply by my set speed and tell you what amperage the machine will push at what RPM.
The voltage will climb until those amps get pushed out of the machine through the circuit. As long as I don't exceed the internal short circuit voltage.
So I can provide those milliamps at a maximum of that voltage.
In my case for the test yesterday morning, I had a 1 cm gap. In order to arc accross that, the machine needs to match the ionisation potential of the air which is 30 KV/cm.
So my machine matched the required voltage to make the spark, after which point, all of the produced current could flow and then the voltage stabilised because the current flow out of the machine matched the current production of the machine.
The voltage only rises when current production exceeds current draw.
In order to produce 210 KV like I want to, I'm going to need to either provide an extremely high impedance/resistive load or tune a spark gap.
But yesterday I spun at 1600 rpm and I made a continuous 1 cm spark and with my machines dimension and the engineering parameters, I made 63 watts.