According to the chans, it has apparently been validated that Hobbs had a bunch of mortgages from sham companies. But I have not seen anything that would prove as much…only that they claim that it checks out. Still, something seems incredibly strange here.
The first thing that stinks bad to me is the whole origin of the story. It comes from a lawyer that stuck his dick in crazy, then suffered predictable consequences. Although perhaps the consequences were far more extreme than normal. It’s a really odd origin to me. Doesn’t mean its bogus, but gives me pause.
How did this story end up in the legislature? Something like this can’t really be a surprise to the members, can it? Wouldn’t you think that some of the compromised would be sure to torpedo this kind of testimony? That part stinks too.
Maybe I am off base on this, but it also seems like this is not the full story either. Like as in they have not completed investigating any of this. Why do you go public when you haven’t got all your ducks in a row? Seems like a recipe to make it harder to keep digging when they are aware of being outed. Wouldn’t surprise me if all of a sudden some kind of extra gatekeeping is quickly rolled out into the AZ public records system to keep you from being able to pull records from wherever there is an internet connection.
It seems like this story, if true, would have far bigger legs than it does. Sure, we see some twitter keywords trending. But not in numbers that you’d expect for such a story. Beyond TGP, I haven’t seen any other publications write about this story. Except for some that are questionably lower credibility than even TGP.
Are the allegations believable? Yes. But its still a pretty big leap for most, even among us here who are used to all sorts of crazy sounding stuff being true. I don’t know where I stand on this. I’m inherently skeptical of most things; this one is giving me some red flags.
What say all of you?
You are asking the wrong question:
I think the ducks ARE in a row, however, the story is so complicated that it is impossible to convey in the five minutes that are allocated in congressional hearings. Have you listened to John Thaler in the longer-form Brannon Howse interview? There are tens of thousands of incriminating documents: This investigation that started long before the 2020 elections, at the behest of insurance companies and the like, who had lost money, started connecting the dots. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark (akshually Arizona, if not the rest of the USA).
https://frankspeech.com/video/exclusive-brannon-howse-interviews-attorney-john-thaler-claim-politicians-us-corrupted-drug
We are only at the beginning of the story. By all means, dig deeper and be skeptical. Yes, and be aware that there is some smearing going on, because Thaler married one of the embedded peeps before finding out that she was implicated: the split was messy, because they had a two-year old child at that time. Furthermore, when these people (the cartels) want to get rid of someone they will use any weak point, including a child. Thaler also said that there have been at least six attempts on his life.
I think the story is going to grow those legs you are talking about. At the moment, the MSM are in a state of see no evil, speak no evil.
This is true. I’m not sure that it means what you’re suggesting though. If MSM came out and said “A conspiracy theorist testified about baseless allegations of mortgage fraud among Arizona officials…” then we would know we are over the target.
I say I’d like to see the packet of information prepared for that hearing, because it was way too detailed to be nothing, and if true, it answers a lot of questions.
I think it makes sense to be wary until you see the receipts. But I listened to an interview with him and it all made a bit more sense. This didn't start out as an investigation into the Az. election. He was/ is working for some corporate clients and it all started with investigations in other states that eventually came around to Arizona. And yes, his ex was eyeball deep in it and it's mainly because she initially turned and was helping the investigation that he got as far as he did. But then she got scared off (threatened) and has stopped helping. He learned a lot during that time though. And yeah, it definitely seems weird and raises a red flag or two, but during this interview, another attorney spoke briefly about how she had seen his proof and how meticulous his findings were recorded and how carefully the investigation was done, etc. and she was all in. Who really knows though? It's a bit early, but Liz Harris must have thought there was enough there to bring forward.
Yes, it started 17 years ago.
That’s where I am. Perhaps leaning towards hoax or psyop. But I am open to being persuaded otherwise. Something just reeks about this story. I can’t explain it. Just gut instinct is telling me not to swallow yet.
72 hour rule.
...the msm files stories like this along side of the NS2 bombing...
..."if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, did one actually fall?"....
When MSM “deboooooonks” the “baseless conspiracy theory” then I will be more certain of what we have here. Maybe I am wrong to be on the fence about this. My gut bats pretty close to 1.000 though. It would be a mistake for me to doubt my inner thoughts about this without a lot more coming out.
...once bitten...
...twice shy....
Has Kari Lake mentioned this? Maybe she is waiting for serious validation as well.
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1626803711409287168
This does seem to lend credibility. But I, for one, would have made a much more direct and bold statement about this than what Kari did. This is pretty tempered compared to what ought to follow such a bombshell allegation.
I'm skeptical, seems to me the info should have been turned over to law enforcement of some type, not politicians in an open forum
It was, even the FBI and the governor. But if the cops are corrupt ...
It’s been given to law enforcement according to the testimony…
Ya, like the biden laptop 😉
You mean bigger legs then died suddenly, covid jab is a bio weapon, virus leaked from Wuhan, kari lake lost, phizer mutating virus. Shall I go on?
I know what you’re saying. But as I said to someone else, “over the target” is an MSM “deboooooonking” of a “Baseless conspiracy theory.” I don’t see anything like that out there. Pure radio silence.
Here is the frank speech interview with the actual atty that did the 4 year research. They gave info to numbchucks and Ducey in May, 2032. https://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/exclusive-brannon-howse-interviews-attorney-john-thaler-claim-politicians-us-corrupted
Yes something is off - more than usual so that’s a big leap
I wish I could put a finger on it. It just isn’t right to me. Very unnatural is perhaps the best way I could put it.
Well I found that Thaler is a real attorney from a real law firm in California, and he is saying he has the evidence. I showed a friend who had worked for Maricopa, who says this is all bunkum, but he's a liberal. We'll see how this turns out.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/26/about-that-explosive-arizona-senate-testimony-alleging-sinaloa-cartel-influence-over-public-officials/
Our boy Sundance is skeptical.
The list of names taking "cartel bribes" in the actual documents is far longer than the list circulating on social media (I'm not even sure where that list came from).
But among the names accused are Wendy Rodgers and Liz Harris.
The "evidence" in the documents almost entirely are merely people with a similar name to someone else on a deed. It is pretty flimsy stuff.
Something is definitely off. Wendy has been an oddball to me for some time now. The one thing we got working against this being accurate is that MSM is not “debooooonking” the claims. When that happens, odds of truth grow exponentially.