Interesting conversation. If one of you would start a post about your experience "awakening" in the miltary, I'd be happy to sticky it. Would be some interesting discussion.

It has been argued by David McGowan and others that there was a legitimate patriotic anti war crowd in the mid 60s, but through social engineering, Tavistock hatched cultural movements, and as always a complicit media, the hippies / drug fed crowd took over and became the face of anti war, for all intents and purposes.

I was medically not able to clear MEPS for the military, but I was also warned to not step foot by my own (now ex) fiancé and my dad both. I was angry for a long time that both my ex military father and fiance told me it wasn't worth it to serve, when that was all I wanted to do. But yes, even a never-enlisted patriot like me can see the reality. Endless wars funded on both sides by Rothschilds and other cabal elites to settle scores and debts, using brainwashing techniques and pandering to genuine patriots to further advance their agenda. Disgusting that they use their own military men. The ones who die first are the enlisted infantry and on the ground men who just wanted to serve. The officers that got a college degree and upped their rank are the ones who move themselves further away from the front lines. I'm not saying everyone does it for that reason, but that's what happens. It saddens me that so many lives were taken in vain, and I make sure that I show my appreciation for the veterans, but the elite pin military men against each other too to play their chess game. Thanks to those who served only to get disrespected no matter what position they chose. You realize in that moment that you don't matter to these powers that be. You can be a patriot and dodge the draft too. They will hate you no matter what. You don't have to participate in their bullshit. Fight for God. Your family. But most importantly, for your own life. That's what matters. God Bless America as it originally was.

I was 11B as well back in the 80s. I had drill sergeants that were Vietnam vets, at least some were. Unfortunately, there was not much going on then, so I got out when my time was done. Was more like the movie Stripes.

I spent years as a TLA contractor, eventually running a high threat technical security team. We got hit by a huge VBIED - I wasn't injured badly - TBI, blown out eardrums mainly. But a couple years of daily carbombs in Kabul, watching trafficking ops go by with no intervention, the corruption, the disdain from towards us from the Diplomatic Corps I began to see the bigger picture. Look up "art in embassies trafficking".

I came home from AFG just as Pizzagate broke and I was able to draw the connections very, very quickly. Then everything started to unravel as I drew the connections - 9/11, Gulf I and II, hell even WWII and probably WWI. The world hasn't looked the same since.

The MIL has a big problem they are facing. A lot of those with combat experience are disillusioned and done with service. Hell, those that signed up because of 9/11 are up for retirement now.