Hey Pedes, looking for clarity on a theory I'm mentally mulling around. It's kind of wild, but also, could have drastic implications if there is any truth to this.
I'll preface this by saying I am a believer in Christ, and only looking for truth, please don't shoot the messenger, this is an open debate and one I expect to see some heated emotions over.
The Greek word for "ante" is "αντι-", and although the current accepted translation of ἀντίχριστος is Anti-christ, there is little literature to explain the use of Anti vs Ante.
There is a possibility that the word "antichrist" in the Bible has been mistranslated or misunderstood, and that it may actually refer to an "ante-Christ," or a precursor to the coming of Christ, similar to how John the Baptist preceded Jesus. The book of Revelation, a highly symbolic and metaphorical text, may not actually predict a future apocalypse or end times, but rather symbolizes the ongoing struggle between good and evil in human history. According to this theory, the arrival of the "antechrist" figure may not be a negative event, but rather a necessary step in clearing the way for Jesus' return.
Let's analyze Trumps actions in contrast to the antechristos.
Abraham accords - negotiating peace with Isreal, only to turn his back in 3.5 years time. Does this fit with Biden getting into office?
The concept of a peace deal or covenant made by the antichrist is not explicitly mentioned in the book of Revelation, but it is described in some other parts of the Bible, particularly in the book of Daniel. In Daniel 9:27, it says:
"He [the antichrist] will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Is the end of sacrifice, the end of child, human sacrifice to Baal? Or worse? This kind fits to me. Especially considering the Mossad connections with Epstein et al.
in Revelation 13:3, where it says, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." This wound is described as being healed, and as a result, people are amazed and follow the beast.
I've often wondered if Trump gaining the presidency again would fulfill this passage?
There is a lot more to this theory, but it's a lot to type out, I'll leave it at this for now.
There are alternatives to this as well, as Obama/Biden could also fulfill the above prophecy by Biden essentially being an Obama Manchurian candidate. I don't know enough about Obamas political deals with Isreal to make a call on the first one.
One final thing here, Is to look at the way Jesus responded to Caiaphas and the high Jewish court :
You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
This is very telling that Jesus did not see YahWeh as his "Father" in heaven. Jesus never once mentioned Yahweh when referencing the father. He used Abba, or other terms.
Thoughts, pedes?
Hi Ryan, someone zeroed your response, so I gave you my vote :)
This is the first I've heard you saying "Honestly personally always felt that the current understanding of Revelations is not correct", which I find interesting - because as you know I asked thrice in that christianity joint about it, & of course SR defended it each time, so in asking Jesus I don't get an Answer about it. So what am I to believe??
Hello little sis. Good morning
Oh that's not very nice of them. People get very passionate about this topic. Often times it is ego though..
Yes I am in a similar situation. I have asked Jesus many times and I never get an answer. Which leads me to think it's something else but we aren't supposed to know. Glad to hear u are experiencing similar non answers. 🙏😁🤗♥️
Could be you don't get an answer from Jesus because HE ALREADY HAS WRITTEN IT VERY CLEARLY IN HIS BOOK.
Where do u stand with this topic?
Also do u not ask him to help u understand the bible?
Great questions! I don't mean to defend "current understanding of Revelation", and I don't personally believe the "secret rapture" pretrib understanding u/Slechta5614 speaks of (which I used to years ago), which u/Kunkussion describes as "an event where a select few just happen to get lucky and don't have to fight". I defend all the classic understandings, even those that appear contradictory, because as he says they will reconcile in time, the appearance will be removed. Whenever I ask the Spirit of Jesus about it, I get some kind of answer, but usually an answer to some other thing than I thought I asked! I'm working on a post comparing the current classic versions, if you're interested.
In all the classic versions (amill, postmill, covenant, dispensation), the rapture is not secret but an event where everyone can see that a higher power has intervened, where vast numbers of people will be separated out. Those that remain on earth may have a short or long destiny ahead, that is disputed; but it's clear to me that many among them will recognize God after the fact, and many will deny that the higher power involved is indeed the Creator God.
So although the "secret rapture" is taught by some today, it shouldn't be regarded as "the current understanding" but as a warped version of the dispensational view. Also, the "imminent general rapture" might almost be admitted as one of the classic views, but to defend it requires dealing forthrightly with Scriptures like Ezekiel 38-39 about wars before the rapture, and more important every believer should be prepared to be raptured individually (rather than with a group), just like Elijah was. So any focus on imminence should not be a threat but an encouragement to pursue holiness.
At c/Christianity we have one person in his second study of amill Revelation, we have one complete study of Revelation by myself (covenant) and another (dispensation), and we have postmills check in now and then anytime you see calls for restoring a Christian state. The mod board is similarly eclectic. I intend to defend all these equally because the claimed contradictions will be removed as we mature in understanding and drop our nonessentials.
And remember that Revelation is excellent war comms and delivers what you need to know without tipping off the enemy. Blessed is he who reads it, and always ask the Spirit for understanding.
Thank you for your response. When I speak of the quote you referenced of mine, it is a very popular, twisted understanding, even in media, and I am glad we have the same general understanding, that we cannot be predictive of God's plan and somehow know exactly the order things will be carried out as we fight Satan in his realm. It's also a flaw within this movement as well; asserting absolutist ideas and not studying the passage of events as a grand strategy that involves all of us, so this is where I pick at grifters especially on this. Many passages of the bible have the context "simplified", for lack of a better word, and it is between that context that many other messages lie. Hebrew is very interesting and quite hard to translate. Not to mention the fact that not all of the books of the bible were necessarily written in hebrew, so essentially we must study the Bible multiple times and still accept that its am open interpretation.
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Also been wanting to link to c/Christianity more over here. It keeps slipping my mind though, thanks for doing that because it helped remind me 😁🙏
I guess common and classic understandings would be better choice of words
Yes we are actually very busy. It comes in waves. Its like a 1 min walk to trash can and I tend to be the one taking them out. Plus the boxes. It also starts getting busy at like 930. I also have to wait around for the food to come out sometimes because I can't take it to table until the whole order is up but don't have really anything around me to do to occupy me. No need to worry. It's a very popular place in my area, it's not going anywhere.
Also I'm reading the post u linked earlier now. Will reply over there further