This is the post I was referring to in my other post (https://greatawakening.win/p/16an0sjwbZ/update-dad-is-out-of-nursing-hom/) and because my father had a hard time breathing due to his UTI, they put him on oxygen tanks and all.
He now have an oxygen homefill and oxygen concentrator at home. He isn't too happy with it because he had a stroke back in the early 2000's and lost about 80% mobility in his left side. With him having a breathing tube up his nose and having to go to the bathroom or around his home, he have to be careful with the tubing that's connected to the concentrator. He's worried that he may trip and fall down because the tubing would get tangled with his walker, his body or his legs.
They diagnosed him with COPD a few years ago because Dad was around people who smoked heavily, especially my mom. He is not a smoker at all but apparently he contracted COPD because of his constant exposure to smoking.
I've been doing some research of my own on whether ivermectin can help people with COPD and I remember from my previous readings on here, some people mentioned that ivermectin cured their COPD (it was in the comment section, not as a post, which is why I couldn't find info on this via GAW search). I'm not having much luck, even with Presearch because they keep giving me links to articles shaming ivermectin, especially when a person has COVID symptoms. I don't think I've rolled my eyes over a million times ever in my life time in one day alone, before doing this research.
I also came across one of the older posts about someone having chronic bronchitis (https://greatawakening.win/p/16aA9409QY/i-have-had-chronic-bronchitis-my/c/) and how ivermectin helped that person with their ailment, going through the most recent winter without chronic bronchitis for the first time. Chronic Bronchitis is a form of COPD, per that post and that's what got me wondering if using ivermectin to treat COPD itself, will ivermectin reduce the severity or eradicate it completely?
I also came across this research paper on the use of ivermectin to treat Pulmonary Strongyloidiasis in a patient with COPD. It is similar to COPD in many ways, which is why doctors often confuse the two when diagnosing a patient for COPD.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5077736/
In that article, it said that they tried several medications to treat strongyloidiasis but ultimately found that oral ivermectin is the best medication to use along with antibiotics like Ciprofloxacin, which is usually used to treat UTI.
With that said, I'd like to treat my father with Ivermectin because not only does he have COPD or maybe strongyloidiasis (?), he also have Rheumatoid Arthritis (from his stroke) and I believe that's also something ivermectin can treat. He also have hypertension and I remember a lot of people were commenting that it also treated their hypertension, to the point where they don't have to rely on their blood pressure medication anymore.
At this point, I've been seeing that ivermectin is being touted as a "wonder drug" that still continues to surprise the medical world with what ivermectin can do to someone, almost as if it's a panacea. This is why I want to try this on my father but I'm somewhat hesitant until I see some feedback from people with personal experience, especially ones with COPD.
I know everyone on here isn't a doctor or in the medical field, but I'm asking those with first hand experience with ivermectin, especially the ones who have/had COPD, would this be something I should have my father take? I also am not sure what the frequency should be and how many mg's my father should take. I've been seeing in the comment section, people were taking 12 mg once a day for like 5 days, 2 weeks, 1 month, 10 months etc.
I'm also wondering about the side effects because the articles that spoke negatively about ivermectin, were listing a lot of side effects such as diarrhea (which is expected as one would be expelling parasites from their body via bowel movement), tremors/shaking, headaches, blurry eyes, etc. From the articles I've read that spoke positively about ivermectin, made zero mentions of any side effects. Not sure if leaving the side effects out was intended or there were actually none? Like I mentioned, my father is old, suffered a stroke and have a hard time moving around so I don't want him to experience any drastic side effects then he'd think ivermectin isn't working and quit halfway.
I have the pill form here so I plan on using that to treat my father. Is ivermectin fine by itself or should it be taken with something else like Zinc or Ciprofloxacin? My father was already treated for UTI and I'm assuming they gave him antibiotics for UTI, so should he continue with antibiotics or will ivermectin suffice? AllDayChemist has Cipro but it comes in both 250mg and 500mg so I have no idea which one to get along with the frequency. Not only that but it may be a month or two before I get the product. I've ordered from AllDayChemist before as that's where I got my ivermectin pills from. It took about a month and half for the pills to arrive, which is why I'm guessing it would be the same for Cipro. I'd like to treat my father ASAP but I think I can wait a month or two for Cipro if it's needed.
So to sum this up: my father has COPD, Rheumatoid Arthritis and hypertension, currently using a big ass oxygen concentrator that is giving him trouble getting around the house due to the tubing, should ivermectin be something my father take to treat for COPD-like symptoms? Any other suggestions like taking it with Zinc? Ciprofloxacin? Substitute ivermectin with Fenbendazole (for which I also have on hand; 222mg) or follow this "cocktail recipe" someone posted on here: Ivermectin, Fenbendazole, Vitamin C and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)?
OK. Correct, not a doctor but 22 yrs in home health and hospice, but mostly, I am a person who grew up observing parents who did NOT worship doctors and western med so I have researched alternatives my whole life, plus my daughter has her degree in Holistic Nutrition. We have been using Ivermectin horse paste for 3 years. We are unvaccinated. Here is what I know so far, based upon being a guinea pig myself for all: Ivermectin kept us free from "covid symptoms" though I did aquire a stubborn brochial congestion (but keep reading). Ivermectin even knocked out a stomach flu type thing in 1 day. Ivermectin on an empty stomach, no nausea. Must take zinc as well but NEVER on an empty stomach in fact take with your biggest meal. And A 5 mg melatonin at bedtime. NAC (triple the recommended dose) plus 4-6000units of vitamin C (the kind derived from citrus not from potatoes) per day, 15000 iu D3, gets rid of what feels like chronic bronchial or lung congestion you think you will be stuck with the rest of your life (as I thought re my own) I followed that protocol for three months and got rid of a debilitating congestion I had for 1.5 years! Cannot stress enough the importance of the D3 and C especially. Get your dad off of sugar and almost all white flour products. He needs to not be dinking around with blood sugar levels. If he eats more meat and animal fat and gets off the sugar and bread, he can lower his hypertension and probably lose weight too if needed, which also helps the hypertension. If your dad is taking statins you have got to control his diet the same way and get him off the statins as they really ruin a person's life and make it not worth living. The Rheumatoid arthritis and any bone/joint pain responds very very well to SAM-e. Some people need no other med after the SAM-e kicks in.
Remember to push the water! Dehydration is so common. A small pinch of salt to a big glass of water, and pure water, not tap. The blood and the lungs, everything, need more water! I would try the prods for the congestion, the no sugar little bread lots of fatty meats, real butter, plenty of water, and the SAM-e. These are things to help him be more comfortable. Ivermectin, body weight dose, once a day for 5 days. I would not expect gut problems from that. You can do the iver again in a month. I do not know that your dad needs antibiotics and it is better if he does not. Messes up the gut so much. If he had antibiotics though, look on iherb.com for probiotics derived from soil bacteria. Important. He needs some. Most people do. Everyone just provides their opinion based upon their own history or research, but there is nothing I have said that can cause harm, and changing the diet and adding the other things, will not harm. Think of the supplements as a 3 month experiment. The less prescriptions your dad is on, the better. And if his congestion improves that will be so great to not need the oxygen 24/7. Good luck, fren.
You have much more credentials than I have...but I do have over 50 years of treating myself and my family alternatively...and am usually pretty self-sufficient. My family have all been guinea pigs too...so I completely understand that comment.
Your information is very accurate and spot on...I concur with everything. However, concerning the Vitamin D...you really must take vitamin K with the D as that transfers the calcium into the bone where it belongs. I take 10,000IU of D3 along with a Super K from Life Extension and went from about 25ng/mL to 60ng/mL and the improvement in my health is amazing. I just encourage people to have their blood tested so they know where they are at and where they need to go.
I would also suggest that he get on probiotics permanently because gut health is really what determines how well he is digesting his food. Even digestive enzymes would help.
The NAC needs to be taken on an empty stomach either 1/2 an hour before you eat anything in the morning or 2 hours after you have eaten before bed.
I like Sam-e quite a lot...I have taken it mainly for depression...but I think they will find that adequately raising the Vitamin D level will have a big impact on arthritis.
Also, zinc needs to be coupled with quercetin so that the zinc can get inside the cell wall to prevent replication of the virus. A doctor explained that zinc is the bullet and quercetin is the gun. If a person has thyroid issues and can't take zinc...green tea works in the same way.
Everything else looks spot on and I agree to try to get off the drugs...statins are very bad for you. Anyway...thanks for all your good informations and how lucky you are to have a daughter with a degree in Holistic Medicine....God bless you and yours.
What is SAM-e?
SAMe is a chemical compound found naturally in the body that may have antidepressant and painkilling properties. Evidence suggests that SAMe is effective in reducing functional limitations and, to a lesser extent, pain in osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, body tenderness and depressive symptoms.1 The recent American College of Rheumatology (ACR) guidelines for treating osteoarthritis include dietary supplements such as glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate and antioxidants as therapies under investigation.0
https://www.versusarthritis.org/about-arthritis/complementary-and-alternative-treatments/types-of-complementary-treatments/same/
Thank you so much for this.
My Pleasure Fren.
OK this is a lot to absorb but excellent information!
Sorry for not replying back as soon as you made your comment. We had several black outs along with my desktop computer not turning on after the blackouts. Now my computer is back up and running and everything has calmed down.
I have some questions for you:
You mentioned that you've been doing the horse paste treatment and then said my father should be doing ivermectin once a day for 5 days, going by his body weight. I have the pill form, not the paste, so should I still do it by his body weight? If not then 12 mg a day is ideal?
If I have to do it by his body weight, that's one of the few issues I have as I still don't understand how to do it correctly. I'm seeing 0.2 mg/kg, 0.3, 0.4 and 0.6 and all of them have different numbers, like here, last section on page: (https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-prevent-protect/). Which one should I go by? My father's weight is around 240 so if I do it 0.2 mg/kg, I should be giving my father 21 mg of Ivermectin, which means 3 1/2 tablets as I have the 6 mg, not the 3 or 12 mg ones?
I don't think my father is on any statins. Are they for cholesterol right? If so, then he's not on any statins.
You mentioned that he can take ivermectin along with zinc, but said that ivermectin must be taken on an empty stomach (either 1 hour before or 1 hour after a meal) but you also said that he should take zinc on a full stomach. So with that said, he should be taking ivermectin first on an empty stomach, then take zinc after his meal?
All of the vitamins you listed, does he have to take them all at the same time he's taking ivermectin or after he's done with the 5 day regimen?
You said you had a bronchial congestion, are you saying it was basically COPD, but a mild version, or are you saying that could have led to COPD but you prevented that? I'm sorry about this one but I'm still learning about COPD and what it is. My father has COPD for like 10 years now but it seems to have gotten worse recently due to him having UTI and it caused him to have trouble breathing, which is why they put him on a oxygen tank.
I believe that's all I have so thank you very much for the information as that is a huge help for me!
I will go ahead and answer your question on Ivermectin...there are charts that show dosages but I don't have one handy...but I have basic dosages in my head and I will share what I know. At 0.2 mg/kg a 200 # person would need 18 mg. a day of ivermectin. I use the horse paste and it is so easy to calculate because they have a plunger that is marked. So basically your dad should probably take two 12 mg. tablets a day. It is a little bit over but Ivermectin is very easy to take and that little bit extra won't hurt. The higher amounts of Ivermectin are for more intense treatment and can be used daily short term...according to FLCCC protocols. The lowest dose is really just the prophylactic maintenance dose given
once a week or every other week or once a month. I currently take Ivermectin once a week at the lowest dose...unless I am sick...then I do it daily for a few days. I take Ivermectin at night before bed on an empty stomach.
Now as far as zinc...take zinc with your main vitamins with your first meal. BUT you have to take quercetin (or green tea) with zinc. Zinc will stop replication of a virus in the cell...but it needs something to get it into the cell. Picture that zinc is the bullet and quercetin is the gun. The brand of zinc I like is Now Opti-zinc because it contains copper, which you need to take with higher dosages of zinc. I am presently taking a Bio-Quercetin from Life Extension but I have used Now quercetin. If people have thyroid problems they may not be able to take quercetin...but green tea will do the same thing.
I can't answer to her congestion...but this will help with the other questions....
Could you expand on the advice to get off statins? The diet is already being worked on.
Search the web for N-acetylcysteine and COPD
I have no dog in this fight. I just want to put my two cents out there. Your father's quality of life sucks. He is on a downward path to a dirt hole, whether that is a couple of months away or several years. If it were me, I'd be shoving Ivermectin down his throat every day and see if his symptoms change. The doctors are nothing but minions for the NWO. They do not care whether or not patients get cured, but rather how much money can they keep raking in by treating a patient, endlessly. Keep all other meds the same, just give him Ivermectin on a schedule and come up with a doseage that seems reasonable for his weight. It is up to you and him to figure out if this is a good protocol. Don't get bogged down by navel gazing and "wanting to do the right thing, I think". Do it because he will stay on the downward path unless something changes. Ivermectin is a great change, little downside, and as long as every other medical prescriptions stay the same, then you can see if it works or not. I say DO IT, don't worry about the consequences, because if you don't so something you know what the outcome will eventually be. I am no doctor, but if it were me in your shoes I'd be gobbling down Ivermectin like it was candy in order to see if it changed my situation or not.
Totally agree with you on this one. Yes I am also aware that the doctors are doing nothing but making the patients worse so they keep on coming for more "fixes" and "cures" so the doctors can get richer while the patient get sicker.
Yes I should just try having my father take ivermectin but due to him being old and have several conditions like effects from stroke (rheumatoid arthritis), COPD (excessive exposure to smoking most of his life) and many others, I wasn't sure if ivermectin is safe for someone like him.
I wanted to see if any one who have similar symptoms or in the same age group as my father and took ivermectin then it has improved their quality of life so I know for sure ivermectin would be the right choice for him to take.
Not only that, but I wanted to be 100% sure it's safe for anyone of all ages to take it. I read one article saying it's safe for anyone but many other articles saying it's not safe and you can overdose on it. I know that part is hogwash but just to be on the safe side, I wanted to hear from more people with personal experience.
At this point, after hearing people's comments here, I'm going to do the ivermectin treatment as soon as possible as my father is willing to do it. He want to do away with the Rxs as he is having suspicions that they are not helping him get better.
I don’t think it would hurt him. If it were my relative I would try it.
Good luck with your research.
No experience with COPD but been following floridasharkman on Truth for a while. Here are his protocols: https://floridasharkman.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/ParasiteProtocol_10-15-22v12.pdf
The side effects you note would likely be herx reaction from parasite die-off. If you read the protocol they combine IVM or FBN with doxycyline. People on protocol recommend benadryl for managing herx. The protocol has sources for the meds of the animal variety, domestic and no Rx needed, as well as a link to contrabandcures that has created a dosage calculator.
One last thing, IVM is prescribed off-label for hyoertension which sounds like it would help your dad, too. GL, Fren.
Thank you for the info. I'll look through this several times and I wasn't aware of the Herx reaction til you mentioned it. That makes sense so I will be sure to explain that to my father when he takes ivermectin so he won't think something bad is happening to him when he experience a herx reaction.
Didn't know ivermectin was marketed as an off label for hypertension, which would explain a lot of people on here saying their BP has improved big time since taking ivermectin! I'll do me after my father's treatment is done and he's stable because I have hypertension as well. Runs in the family due to our blood type and I also have acid reflux so I'm hoping ivermectin will remedy that as well!
You personally need to look up Dr Ken Berry on youtube or rumble and think about a carnivore diet! I've lost 13 pounds, blood pressure down and no more acid reflux, at least for me. Wheat I have found is the origin of the acid reflux. Good old flour!
Strongyloidiasis is a parasite found more in tropical and subtropical countries, and more usually has digestive than respiratory symptoms. Ivermectin is the drug of choice but not a wonderworker. There's an otc enzyme called serrapeptase that breaks down fibrin and some patients with COPD benefit. But consider the acronym: Chronic Obstructine Pulmonary Disease. What is the obstruction and where? Scar tissue, worms, tumors, or what, in the airways or lungs or where?
I have no idea. Dad said he has COPD and didn't expand on that. But when he went to the ER the last two times (the most recent visit and the one before that), they said he had fluid in his lungs so I'm going to assume in the lungs?
I don't know what and where the obstruction is. I'll take a look at serrapeptase and see what that does.
Thanks for the info!
It's not necessarily an obstruction like a lump in a hose. It could be more like scar tissue effectively blocking lung tissue from absorbing oxygen. Serrapeptase acts on the fibrin in scars and softens it. "Fluid in the lungs" (as opposed to "around the lungs") is usually a sign of heart problems, but could also happen from pneumonia or kidney problems, or other things. Not the same as COPD. I have noticed some doctors quick to say COPD at every breathing problem and it's certainly good to check it out, but it isn't simple. https://www.healthline.com/health/pulmonary-edema#symptoms
Do not allow your father to take Cipro. It is a very nasty drug. My father, who also had a stroke, was given Cipro for a UTI. Within 24 hours he started hallucinating and he was never mentally the same again. It screwed him up really badly.
Do some research on Cipro. You will find that this was the drug given to the DC postal workers after an anthrax scare through the mail. It messed a lot of postal workers up and they did a class action lawsuit. One thing Cipro can do is to snap your tendons.
Not a doctor here, just letting you know what my father's experience was like.
Wow didn't know this so thanks, will definitely avoid getting Cipro. Someone else on here also mentioned the same so Cipro is totally taken off the menu.
just a regular person here. My hubby got an oral infection from abscess (we found out the next day) and started having a fever and shivering. I gave him ivermectin and drank lots of water, 3-4 hrs later the fever went down and he was fine. I think ivermectin saved him. Another story is we took ivermectin in the morning, went to Costco where it was super crowded w/ lots of kids and people. We both didn't feel too well and spat out some flem stuff at night, again the next morning we were fine, like we almost caught a bug but our immune system fought it quick. Maybe thanks to Ivermectin.
Also, when my co workers took their 3rd booster, I started experiencing irregular period (maybe from their shedding), Never happened before. Took ivermectin, and now all is back to normal.
Yeah your stories are much similar to others who have experienced the same and it's really amazing that something like ivermectin exists to help us become immunized against many diseases!
My wife had something bad like the flu and throwing up but she decided she'll be the first in the family to do ivermectin. Got over her sickness in under 12 hours. She went from feeling awful like a Mack truck hit her and her stomach was in knots. 12 hours later, she's sleeping it off and no throwing up or anything like that. Next day she's like 90% better and the day after, she's completely normal. She said it was something she have never experienced before so we weren't sure if that was Covid or something terrible.
Ivermectin also got rid of her skin condition that she had for years. Selenium didn't do the trick as it was SUPPOSED to get rid of that skin condition. But after taking ivermectin, it's completely gone. Hasn't resurfaced yet but it tends to get aggressive during the summer so we will wait and see this coming summer.
Hello I posted a question similar to yours. I would like to administer Ivermectin to my relative as well with COPD. I am just not sure with all the other meds if there will be any interactions. Please keep me posted on your results with your Dad. I cannot find anyone on this site that has tried it for COPD. Good luck and I pray that it helps your Dad.
OK no problem. I'm more likely going to have my father do ivermectin and I will definitely keep you in mind to see how my father is progressing after ivermectin.
Have you seen u/newalloveragain 's comment? I'm going to try this with my father to see what happens.
Hi How is your Dad doing? Did you administer ivermectin to him for his COPD? and did it work? I hope he is doing well. Thanks
To dose ivermecton pills, it should be taken by mouth with a full glass of water (8 ounces or 240 milliliters) on an empty stomach at at least 1 hour before a meal.1 The typical dosage is 150 mcg/kg of body weight taken as one dose, and most children won’t need more than one dose.0 A 12-milligram (mg) dose of ivermectin may also be prescribed to treat body lice or scabies infection.2
I have a few questions: how much O2 is he on at home? what is his O2 saturation at rest? what does the O2 saturation drop to with movement? where do the pulmonary docs want his O2 sats to stay between? what does his O2 sats drop to when off of supplemental oxygen(at rest)? I know the posters have already given very good advice regarding the IVM; I did take it following my hospitalization (for Covid; unvaxed) at home. I had no side effects. If you are worried about the time waiting to receive the IVM shipment you could purchase the horse paste, but will need to measure it for your father's appropriate weight.
The oxygen tank is new to us both. All I know is he have to have it set at 4. You know the "temperature" thing with the indicator pointing to the list of numbers? It's currently set to 4.
He has this exact setup right now at home:
https://helpmedicalsupplies.com/products/invacare-homefill-oxygen-system-kit-with-post-ml9-bag
The man came over to set it up for him but never explained to him on how to use it, how to monitor it and all. I wasn't home when the man came and all I have is two pages of instructions on how to operate it.
As for the ivermectin pills, I already have the 6 mg pills here. Prior to me getting the pills, I've tried getting horse paste from Tractor Supply but they said I have to show proof of me owning at least 1 horse lol.
You mentioned that I would need to measure the horse paste to my father's approx. weight, but since I have the pills, would I have to do the same with the pills or?
Try valleyvet.com to order paste if you want that route when pills run low. TSC you can order online too but high shipping last I checked.
I am also interested in this as my husband has COPD. Doc say he has 2-3 years left due to COPD. I also have been thinking of trying ivermectin for him but have no idea how or how often he should take it. I have 12mg tablets. Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciate. Following this in hopes of helping my husband.
I'm going to try u/newalloveragain 's method so if you haven't seen it, here it is: https://greatawakening.win/p/16an0sklLm/x/c/4Tsac29aHgM
I will report once it's over so it will be a while before I report.
You might look at Dr. Lee Meritt's site, Medical Rebel. She believes virtually all diseases are caused by parasites and thinks highly of Ivermectin. It has a long history of being used safely. As a nurse assistant, I observe that those who use alternative treatments fair better than those who use only pharmaceuticals. God Speed His blessings to your father.
https://www.drleemerritt.com
Yeah that's what I'm thinking with ivermectin. So far, I've seen that Ivermectin have taken care of many diseases so I believe since COPD is a disease, it should also treat COPD and that's what I'm hoping as I'm not seeing many articles, medical papers or research papers on the use of ivermectin on COPD patients.
Thanks for the link, reminds me of Hulda Clark.
Definitely check for drug interactions between ivermectin and any other drugs he is taking. I take NAC every day and I really like that. Also please be sure his vitamin D levels are above 50 ng/mL...find out with a blood test. You must also take vitamin K with it. I take 10,000IU's each day with a Super K from Life Extension and I was in the mid 20 range...now I am 60 ng/mL...and I believe D, K, NAC, black Cumin seed oil and ivermectin are the most important supplements I have been taking...you just see your health improve in so many ways. This is just from my experience...
Thank you for the info. I remember reading somewhere on another post where someone made a comment saying NAC + Black Cumin Seed Oil + Oregano Oil is basically the same as Ivermectin. I'm already taking these three along with other vitamins and I'm seeing a huge improvement in my health.
Prior to him going to the ER recently, my father was also taking these three vitamins I mentioned, but it didn't improve his condition as he was starting to have a hard time breathing and his UTI was getting worse. I was trying to remedy it at home to see if it will lessen his symptoms but it wasn't even doing anything at all. He was also not eating much at home. Now he's eating normally since coming home from the nursing home.
I would not say NAC + oregano+black Cumin seed oil is the same as ivermectin at all...I wonder what knowledge they used to conclude that. They each have different properties and spheres of influence so I just don't understand their conclusion. I take all 3 daily plus ivermectin at least once a week..
Surprisingly I am treating a UTI at the moment...which I am VERY rarely sick so this is unusual. I am using homeopathics, essential oils, cranberry juice and a zapper. So far my treatment is successful but it does take several days to completely cure it. Being older...going forward I am going to have to change something to prevent a UTI as they are not fun and seems to be fairly stubborn and common for older people...but I will win the battle...
I think ivermectin would have helped your father breath. The FLCCC protocol would probably have helped...but older people with UTIs are difficult. In the future perhaps put your dad on unsweetened cranberry juice daily or have him take cranberry capsules...that will help preventatively... Good luck with everything...it is a lot to take in. I suggest you make a supplement chart so you only have to figure what to take... when... only once...very helpful...
God bless you and yours...
Hey dietician here.
NAC/selenium first.
IVM is fine too, very little side effects.
Don't consider Cipro, weakens tendons. Just ask my left achilles that ruptures after I ran a course or 2.
Thanks for that, didn't know that. Sorry to hear about your achilles but hope you made a full recovery!
Research l-carnitine and COPD.