This looks like RFK Jr right after he agreed to work for Q team
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Did you know there were American POWs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the atom bombs were dropped? I'm sure our side knew about that but again, the greater good. I remember reading about this many years ago.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2019.1624308
This is a summary from a Brave search: During World War II, thousands of American prisoners of war were detained in a camp in Nagasaki. When the atomic bomb was dropped on the city on August 9th, 1945, they were far enough away to survive the blast but close enough to see the mushroom cloud. Their stories are rarely told, but one descendent of a POW is telling his father's story in an effort to bring nuance to a divisive history.
Greater good? I hate that term because it's a justification for evil.
We didn't have to drop the bombs, Japan was ready to surrender militarily but they didn't want the total surrender that removed the emperor.
Japan was not ready to surrender. Mothers were even throwing their babies off of cliffs because they were convinced that the Americans were going to butcher them all to death. Women and children were being trained to charge tanks even. The plan was to make an invasion of Japan so extremely horrifying that America would lose interest and give up. Japanese are highly susceptible to propaganda and going with the flow. Trust me, I live in Japan and almost everyone still wears masks here, two months past the mask directive being rescinded.
Interesting article arguing the various viewpoints around this.
I do think the idea of using the bomb to deter the soviets is important, regardless of veracity, I think it's plausible.
https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender/
Additionally, I don't agree that the land invasion would have been bloody. If the USA was smart they would have continued the carpet bombing into submission and close air support of troops during and ahead of invasion. Airpower if used effectively can reduce friendly casualties dramatically as seen in desert storm
They wore masks before the pandemic too...
Yes, but not every single frickin' day. They wore them only as they deemed necessary, like when getting over a cold, during allergy season, etc. (Masks are only effective for allergies, really.)
There is a great interview with Robert McNamara in the documentary "Fog of War". He was a bomb damage analyst during WW2. He said that by that point in the war we were killling 100k Japanese civilians a day by firebombing. On the day of Hiroshima, we killed 45k but we did it with a single bomb (3 planes in the air), instead of 100k with 1000 planes as was the custom. If we wanted maximum deaths we could have sent them all and killed 145k that day. We did not. We were going for psychological impact, NOT maximum deaths.
I posted this for comparison, not to argue about whether we should have dropped those bombs. My father was on one of the first Navy ships to arrive in Nagasaki after it was bombed. They also gave those sailors no warning about fallout. He walked all over the site, had photos he took with his Brownie camera. He said Tokyo, which was firebombed, looked worse.
Yeah, the US wasn't held to account for some serious war crimes. A lot of deliberate civilian casualties.
That's not my point either. Who knows if my father would have lived if the war had continued. Are you really this prone to look at a tree versus the forest or are you a troll? Serious question.
The greater good is the justification from a bunch of crusty jugglers.
Ultimately, did we need to nuke Japan? Probably not. Maybe so.
It was so long ago and who knows how much in the public eye has even been changed.
The important thing is to seek the preservation of life where possible, and an efficient end to the lives of our enemies with as few collateral damage as possible.
Yeah, there were tough decisions and unfortunately, American POWs probably perished too. But like you said, the greater good.
Thanks for that link! Very interesting!