We evolved over millennial time scales to live in a tribe, where everybody knew everybody in the tribe. And the tribe had a leader. Someone everybody looked up to.
So every country tries to scale up the tribe to a country of hundreds of millions.
And we are finding out that our leaders are absolute shit. Biden, Fauci, Schumer, McConnnell, etc.
The Constitution is how we tried to scale up the tribe to a country. Everything about it is to try and stop these psychos from taking authoritarian control.
We rely on SCOTUS to enforce it.
In the next 18 months let us see how it works out.
We evolved over millennial time scales to live in a tribe, where everybody knew everybody in the tribe. And the tribe had a leader. Someone everybody looked up to.
This seems too simplistic. In my mind.. tribal cultures have constant battles for leadership, constant faction events that split the tribe either fully or just over specific leadership decisions, wars with external tribes and packs of predatory animals and natural disasters that force movement. There's also good evidence that there's always been highly nomadic cultures that don't ascribe to much of this.
We're pack animals to be sure.. but the structure of that pack I think is quite a bit different than how everyone idealizes it.
Yeah but my point remains. Humans evolved to live in a tribe, where the tribe leader determined everything.
Countries try to rule humans in a way that makes sense. I think the US Constitution is an awesome attempt to civilize us. The problem is that evil people are find ways around the Constitution.
I honestly think there's two different genetic lines. One has attributes that make it more tribal, and the other more nomadic, but importantly.. a person can survive in either condition; unlike animals that are obligated to live in their tribe or die of starvation.
where the tribe leader determined everything.
That's the part I'm least sure of. It's a nice idea. A cave in the woods with a single voice ordering everything. How likely do you think that actually is, though? It's an unnatural arrangement and requires massive amounts of additional energy just to maintain it.. for a survivalist species, this doesn't seem likely to be the "major mode" in our history.
Just look at Native American history. These clean "classroom" ideas how of we organized are just that.. from a classroom and not from experience or history.
Countries try to rule humans in a way that makes sense.
That's why they fail. People cannot be fully ruled.
I think the US Constitution is an awesome attempt to civilize us.
I might just be pedantic, but "civilize" is too harsh a word and it misses the point of the Constitution. It starts out by recognizing our natural rights, and that those rights don't come from anything other than our creator. It ends by reserving any unclaimed rights to the states and to the citizens directly.
It doesn't "civilize" us. It creates an agreement under which mutually interested parties can prosper without past, present or future interference of the state, or by any "rule" of anything. The first amendment is a powerful reminder of this fact, I think.
The problem is that evil people are find ways around the Constitution.
Thank you for taking the time to pick apart my comment into 5 pieces.
Is this something you take personally? Or are you merely imagining that the reasons I am doing this are identical to the reasons you would do this? How likely is that?
But I think you actually agree with me, yes?
That's why I said.. maybe I'm being pedantic. I left open the door that I'm possibly over analyzing this and diving deeper on something insignificant. I just don't find conversations where people just gladhand each other and mindlessly click up arrows particularly interesting. If this is an issue, I'm happy to be ignored.
The Constitution is document that attempts to scale up society from tribal to mega scale.
The way you pose it, you give supernatural powers to the constitution, I think is what my issue is. The people who framed it came from a functioning society, they were far from tribal, and the first 10 amendments hint deeply as to what their overall goal was. It was a strong refinement of what came before, and more than anything else before it, it freed the people to themselves and not to some power handed down by bloodline.
In that sense.. the Constitution is just a reflection of who we are as people already, and it holds no deeper authority in and of itself. The fact that it binds government and not individuals is a strong hint to this.
Our enemies are not following it. We just want to follow it.
If all you want is to agree with a 200 year old piece of paper, then perhaps your enemies have you exactly where they want you already?
Which is why I hate it when people talk about destroying it or getting excited about destruction and battles. You'll notice the people that champion civil war or some kind of destructive situation where you d people are likely to die, are often the people with the least to lose. They have little and are not happy or healthy like the people they spend their time obsessing over. And they become angry and talk about other people should do something!
The people that build and create don't really see it the same. They are productive and deal with wonderful people every day and never give a thought to the political beliefs of others. I'm always out in the world working with to s and tons of people. Don't know their leanings at all. The people with nothing to do and nobody to serve are the ones happy to tell you how incredibly moral and awake they are. Also they'll tell you how we just gotta burn it down and execute people and then it'll be great. Those that want to tear it down know not how to build.
"You'll notice the people that champion civil war or some kind of destructive situation where people are likely to die, are often the people with the least to lose. "
Yes, I have noticed this for a long time. Once upon a time, I was a hotheaded kid who was ready to "tear it all down and start over." But I grew up, and realized that things are rarely that clear-cut.
Do your best to give real red pills. Let those that think they are awake because they are just the rootinest tootinest complainiest grievance collector around, know that they aren't fully awake. Look after yourself, your family, and your neighbors. Let them, any, and all know, it's dope AF to build and commune. Counting wonton destruction of all your countrys stuff as a win, is for the birds. Baby birds.
So true.
But.
We evolved over millennial time scales to live in a tribe, where everybody knew everybody in the tribe. And the tribe had a leader. Someone everybody looked up to.
So every country tries to scale up the tribe to a country of hundreds of millions.
And we are finding out that our leaders are absolute shit. Biden, Fauci, Schumer, McConnnell, etc.
The Constitution is how we tried to scale up the tribe to a country. Everything about it is to try and stop these psychos from taking authoritarian control.
We rely on SCOTUS to enforce it.
In the next 18 months let us see how it works out.
This seems too simplistic. In my mind.. tribal cultures have constant battles for leadership, constant faction events that split the tribe either fully or just over specific leadership decisions, wars with external tribes and packs of predatory animals and natural disasters that force movement. There's also good evidence that there's always been highly nomadic cultures that don't ascribe to much of this.
We're pack animals to be sure.. but the structure of that pack I think is quite a bit different than how everyone idealizes it.
Yeah but my point remains. Humans evolved to live in a tribe, where the tribe leader determined everything.
Countries try to rule humans in a way that makes sense. I think the US Constitution is an awesome attempt to civilize us. The problem is that evil people are find ways around the Constitution.
I honestly think there's two different genetic lines. One has attributes that make it more tribal, and the other more nomadic, but importantly.. a person can survive in either condition; unlike animals that are obligated to live in their tribe or die of starvation.
That's the part I'm least sure of. It's a nice idea. A cave in the woods with a single voice ordering everything. How likely do you think that actually is, though? It's an unnatural arrangement and requires massive amounts of additional energy just to maintain it.. for a survivalist species, this doesn't seem likely to be the "major mode" in our history.
Just look at Native American history. These clean "classroom" ideas how of we organized are just that.. from a classroom and not from experience or history.
That's why they fail. People cannot be fully ruled.
I might just be pedantic, but "civilize" is too harsh a word and it misses the point of the Constitution. It starts out by recognizing our natural rights, and that those rights don't come from anything other than our creator. It ends by reserving any unclaimed rights to the states and to the citizens directly.
It doesn't "civilize" us. It creates an agreement under which mutually interested parties can prosper without past, present or future interference of the state, or by any "rule" of anything. The first amendment is a powerful reminder of this fact, I think.
There I fully agree with you.
Thank you for taking the time to pick apart my comment into 5 pieces.
But I think you actually agree with me, yes?
The Constitution is document that attempts to scale up society from tribal to mega scale. Our enemies are not following it. We just want to follow it.
Is this something you take personally? Or are you merely imagining that the reasons I am doing this are identical to the reasons you would do this? How likely is that?
That's why I said.. maybe I'm being pedantic. I left open the door that I'm possibly over analyzing this and diving deeper on something insignificant. I just don't find conversations where people just gladhand each other and mindlessly click up arrows particularly interesting. If this is an issue, I'm happy to be ignored.
The way you pose it, you give supernatural powers to the constitution, I think is what my issue is. The people who framed it came from a functioning society, they were far from tribal, and the first 10 amendments hint deeply as to what their overall goal was. It was a strong refinement of what came before, and more than anything else before it, it freed the people to themselves and not to some power handed down by bloodline.
In that sense.. the Constitution is just a reflection of who we are as people already, and it holds no deeper authority in and of itself. The fact that it binds government and not individuals is a strong hint to this.
If all you want is to agree with a 200 year old piece of paper, then perhaps your enemies have you exactly where they want you already?
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Which is why I hate it when people talk about destroying it or getting excited about destruction and battles. You'll notice the people that champion civil war or some kind of destructive situation where you d people are likely to die, are often the people with the least to lose. They have little and are not happy or healthy like the people they spend their time obsessing over. And they become angry and talk about other people should do something!
The people that build and create don't really see it the same. They are productive and deal with wonderful people every day and never give a thought to the political beliefs of others. I'm always out in the world working with to s and tons of people. Don't know their leanings at all. The people with nothing to do and nobody to serve are the ones happy to tell you how incredibly moral and awake they are. Also they'll tell you how we just gotta burn it down and execute people and then it'll be great. Those that want to tear it down know not how to build.
"You'll notice the people that champion civil war or some kind of destructive situation where people are likely to die, are often the people with the least to lose. "
Yes, I have noticed this for a long time. Once upon a time, I was a hotheaded kid who was ready to "tear it all down and start over." But I grew up, and realized that things are rarely that clear-cut.
Do your best to give real red pills. Let those that think they are awake because they are just the rootinest tootinest complainiest grievance collector around, know that they aren't fully awake. Look after yourself, your family, and your neighbors. Let them, any, and all know, it's dope AF to build and commune. Counting wonton destruction of all your countrys stuff as a win, is for the birds. Baby birds.
Best line ever
They’re parasites!
TRUTH! TRUTH! TRUTH!!
We need to communicate with each other more, focusing on how we choose things to be, rather than arguing about what's bad....
Dilley, speaking truth.🤣
I was thinking the exact same thing. And I'm wondering what a city built on rock and roll would be like.
Damn you all for getting that song stuck in my head🐸
LOL