There seems to be some confusion on this board on this topic. I think the fact that these words have “ism” at the end that might be the source of this confusion.
Let’s be clear: Communism and Socialism are economic schemes. Socialism is the overtaxing parasite that weakens an economy and creates enough unemployment to fool people into thinking that free markets do not work (they do) and that the only way to stop the suffering is to give complete control of the marketplace to the government and let them control both production and distribution of everything we need (Communism).
That, of course, is a completely ridiculous and unsustainable economic scheme that only has a chance of working if you eliminate human nature and free will and everyone works to the very best of their capabilities merely to warrant the exact same reward as everyone around them, no matter how meager their individual efforts.
The practice of forcing people to go along with this scheme is known as fascism. Another way to say fascism is “force-ism” or, frankly, totalitarianism, dictatorship, etc. It’s essentially slavery. The closest thing we have to fascism in the united states is our prison system, where many rights are vastly curtailed, but honestly, American prisoners have more rights than people living in fascist regimes.
Here’s where the confusion comes in: Hitler was a fascist. He was because he was a dictator. But he was not a communist. He let business and trade go on as usual within germany but he was always watching and if he ever saw something he didn’t like or suspected anything or saw something he wanted for himself he would merely take it, kill or imprison whoever, etc. and nobody had any rights or legal recourse to oppose him.
Lenin, Stalin, and Mao were also fascist dictators, but they preached and tried to implement communism as their economic models. Of course they had to murder anyone who didn’t want to play ball and that’s exactly what they did.
But take note: communism needs fascism simply to be implemented because there will always be people who don’t want to play ball, so communist regimes are always fascist, but like Hitler, not all fascist regimes try to implement communism.
Fascism = dictatorship/totalitarianism. No rights. Only privileges at the behest of the person/people in charge.
Communism = an economic scheme that ignores human nature and never works and always results in economic collapse
Socialism = A wannabe dictatorship government overtaxing its citizens to fool them into thinking free markets don’t work and that Communism is the only way to eliminate poverty, crime, and suffering. “The Royal Road to Communism”
Take the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). They have communism in their name but they abandoned communism years ago. They’re still fascist though. They still control everyone, but they’ve embraced a kind of crony capitalism in order to survive economically. Thus, communists are always fascists but fascists are not always communists and sometimes even former communists (like China).
Another thing: when you think of left vs. right imagine a scale with totalitarianism/dictatorship/centralized one world government on the far left and complete anarchy with zero enforceable contracts or laws or anything on the extreme far right. We on this board believe that we should be free to do as we please as long as we don’t infringe on the rights of others and we do see a need for a neutral third party (government) who works for us (not us for them) to resolve disputes and prosecute crimes but that’s about it. Leftists want a welfare state where daddy government tells us what we can and can’t do and gives us what we need no questions asked.
All communists and fascists are leftists. Period.
What are three ways to transfer wealth from the people to a small elite class of kid fuckers for 200 Alex
Don’t care what the differences are. They’re all collectivist authoritarian schemes. Functionally identical in their denial of individual rights and assertion of govt control. That’s all that matters.
Yeah we agree on that.
You may also notice that I refer to non-communist economies as free market economies. It was Marx who invented the term “Capitalism” as a way to reframe spontaneous free enterprise as some sort of elitist scheme chosen from a list of other viable options to benefit themselves. It’s obvious why this doctrine is so popular with poor people and college freshmen who have no idea how money works, how to build a business, move up the corporate ladder, or invest. It excuses their ignorance and failure as the fault of society or whoever happens to be doing better than them financially, flatters them into thinking that their poverty is proof they’re one of the good guys, and bribes them with handouts that they now believe they’re entitled to via this injustice they’re victims of.
Just calling it “Capitalism” at all shows how much we ourselves have been brainwashed by Marx. I would discourage everyone from ever using that term when discussing economics with anyone, especially with liberals, as it puts you at an instant disadvantage linguistically since it is inherently a pejorative.
Hitler was a socialist. Modern socialist play all kind of games to deny it. One of my favorite you tubers did a series of videos on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHG4IfYE1w
Edit. Here's a great vidio to explane the difference between fascism and socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdY_IMZH2Ko
Still used fascist tactics to put it in play. All socialism leads to communism. Ask Marx.
Define fascist tactics. He was a dictator same as Stalin. They both went after their left opposition within their own parties first.
Fascism pretty much just means a- hole these days.
No problem. Any state action taken against citizens that deprives them of their God given rights without probable cause, due process, or under color of law.
That’s fascism in a nutshell.
It’s not a an economic scheme like Socialism and Communism. It’s just the tactics of Socialists and Communists.
That is the modern definition. The actual definition is quit different,and only applies to Italy in the 30's.
Changing the meaning of words is how they pretend the nazis were right wing.
There’s nothing in the world that indicates any autocrat is right wing. It’s nonsensical no matter which definition you use or which era you use it in.
I don't disagree, but it's the word games they play to deceive themselves. The videos I linked above explain it very well.
Wikipedia but it nails it.
It was economic at its core Wiki, justs lies... spin and bullshit. I don't really care what you belive TBH but some people do care and they make good videos....
How long are the videos?
Fascism and Communism are different paths to the same destination. The only difference is that Fascism killed the Jews, who control the news and propaganda, so we are afraid of it a lot more than we are of communism.
I think of them as different tools in the tool belt of the globalists. One is an economic attack (communism, which the masses clamor for after socialism cripples their economy), and the other is a series of tactics that we see in our country today namely: censorship, canceling, population attacks like abortion, sterilization, propaganda attacking marriage and family roles, false flag shootings to convince people to give up their guns, travel restrictions, forced vaccinations, etc. They’re definitively not the same things but they’re used by the same people with the same goals nearly every time.
Americanism is anti-communist and anti-fascist and anti-socialist.
Yes.
There is no confusion "on the board" but your persistence is notable.
The big one OP thinks I'm "confused" about:
The original assertion around my "confusion":
https://greatawakening.win/p/16bPeURaOH/x/c/4Tv8bOS9yy0
Yeah you’re still confused. Putting it in quotes doesn’t make you less confused. Feel free to use your own words to explain where you think I’m wrong. Until then keep tossing around links like scriptures and pretend they make their points for you.
Jesus were you stalking me? Look how quickly you found this post and then all the work you did to find all those links. Weird, man.
The only person confused is the one that thinks I'm going to read your replies.
You should probably look up irony while you’re at it. You not only read my reply, you downvoted it and replied to it. Maybe you should just stop talking if you want to claim the high road.
It's like wrestling with a pig isn't it
If you hadn't started this ENTIRE thing by informing me how I'm "confused" we wouldn't be here, btw.
I see you’re still replying.
Here’s the thing, bro. While my conversation with you inspired my post, I didn’t out you in it. You’re the one who kept tabs on me after we disagreed, followed me to another thread, and defended yourself when nobody else would have known we ever talked.
That’s on you. Sorry.
LOL you still insisted on being obvious and insulting. I outed you in it.
Hey. Let’s just be friends, eh? Who cares if we agree on the definition of fascism anyway? We both love Trump. We both love Q. We both hate collectivism. We both probably love God and Jesus. Let’s just be good bruv.
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I think there are a number of reasons for this confusion.
In America at least, the Communists (usually college students) are clearly in favor of fascist policies like censorship to keep people from dismantling their Communist wet dreams. Since they're clearly fascist communists, some people think fascism and communism are the same thing--that they're both economic schemes. They are not. Communist regimes of course use fascist actions like censorship to stifle dissent and make people think it's a good idea when it clearly isn't, but there's a difference between an economic scheme and a method of control. There's clearly overlap but I think the distinction is important. Communism is an economic argument/scheme/system, whereas Fascism is really any attempt by a government to deprive others of their basic freedoms of speech, movement, commerce, etc. It's institutionalized violence against freedom.
The Left, as part of their fear-mongering anti-freedom smear campaigns, have convinced these idiot college students that Far Left = Communism and Far Right = Fascism. But that's a nonsensical false dichotomy (like saying math is on the left and birds are on the right). Therefore, when you hear them saying they're fighting Fascism, what they're really saying is they're fighting the Right. They just don't know it. They point at Hitler, an obvious fascist, and say he's far right. But that's just calling black white. Political models and economic models have overlap, but they're not the same thing. Fascism, as I said is "force-ism." It's a government approach to its citizens. It's top-down, centralized control over everyone. From a governing perspective, Far Left = Fascism/Totalitarianism and Far Right = No government at all/Anarchy. Leftists also tend to believe that Communism is a good idea and refer to free (meaning voluntary) markets with the Marxist pejorative "Capitalism", whereas those on the right tend to favor as little government control as possible to allow the free market to flourish naturally.
The overlap, combined with the "-ism" at the end of the words, linguistically causes a lot of confusion. But don't be confused by "-isms." Would you think Mormonism was an economic model simply because of the "-ism" at the end? Clearly not. So don't be fooled by that.
Thanks u/weholdthesetruths/ imma save this for the future