I found the message linked below to be encouraging and insightful. I want to share it with all. Pastor Farag is one of the most awakened pastors I have come across (9/11, Patriot Act, death shot, DNA corruption, etc.) and while other’s efforts to tie current times to biblical prophecy fall short I find Pastor Farag’s messages always sit right with my heart and often confirm thoughts that the Holy Spirit has already pressed upon me.
0-8mins Opening prayer, etc.
8-25mins A simple and hopeful Pre-Trib message
25-end JD expands with good insights as to the certainty of why the last hour is not near but here:
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Advanced Technology
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Mankind’s Survivability
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Deception Spiritually
https://calvarychapelkaneohe.subspla.sh/59534ds
The last one “Spiritual Deception” is the reason for my post title and the motivation of sharing this here at GAW. What movie are you watching? The biggest nugget in Pastor Farag’s message, for me, was the distinction between “an” anti-Christ and “the” anti-Christ. While being grateful for this board and all of you contributors, my heart has always been unsettled about how to reconcile the spiritual hopes placed in Trump, Q, or “The Plan” vs biblical prophecy. I understand that for this reconciliation to be perplexing one has to have the mindset that we are indeed at the last hour. My hope is strictly in Jesus’ plan and I look forward to the blessed hope of Jesus gathering His children to Him in the clouds.
Conversely, the hopes in Trump, Q, or The Plan, while entertaining, do not hold much credence since we are already at the last hour. I don’t believe the current signs and times allow enough time for this generation, those that are alive now, and even those middle-late aged that are not saved by the blood of Christ, to escape the great tribulation. It’s coming and coming soon. There is simply not enough time for this ship to get righted. Much less for another era of bountiful and good times. It is a false hope IMO. We have never been so close to biblical prophecy. Israel is a nation, the temple artifacts are all already made and just waiting for the already planned and supposedly only waiting on funding. DNA manipulation and the evil in man’s hearts just as in the time of Noah. COVID showed us a concerted global effort. World government and world currency on deck. These are only off the top of my head. The few prophecies that left are strongly in the realm of possibility now. It is a time to rejoice as heaven draws near.
Trump, Q, or the plan can all be anti-christs. Anything that is taking your hope away from Jesus can be “an” anti-Christ. They may not be “the” anti-Christ but they can certainly be “an”. Search your heart frens. What movie are you watching and where does your hope lie?
Seek Jesus and you will find truth.
Edit: I find it revealing and sad that some would equate this post to dooming. Is not our salvation and the promise of heaven immeasurably better than this garbage dump called earth? Where is your faith and what are you seeking? I get it, I have aspirations too and on some level would like justice to prevail just so I could experience them but the promise of heaven is so far beyond any happiness that can be found here. I will endure what I must for as long as I must while here but we are all better off keeping our hope rooted in Jesus Christ and not any worldly plan.
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So we are not supposed to hope in anybody on the earth? What about spirit-filled Christians in positions of power?
Pastor Farag is a sensationalist and emotional pastor who's doctrines are questionable imo.
But Farag aside, just how exactly do people think God works on the earth? He uses people to carry out His purposes.
edit- The difference is people who elevate fellow men / women above Christ. The point must be clear: we hope in Christ, whether in our personal lives or in the lives of other people. Nobody can help us except Him, but don't be a gnostic retard and think for one second that He doesn't use other people to help us.
Can you find anywhere in Biblical Prophecy where it speaks of a "reprieve" of evil of any sort (similar to what the GAW promises) before the Great Tribulation?
EDIT: You know, now that I asked that question out loud, I just was reminded that the Antichrist will bring 'Peace" by signing a covenant "with the many," but will break that covenant in the middle of the Tribulation when he exalts himself in the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem announcing himself to be God.
~ Daniel 9:27
Some believe that the "covenant with many" refers to a peace treaty that the Antichrist will make with Israel or other nations, while others interpret it symbolically as a false covenant or agreement. The "middle of the 'seven'" is often understood as a period of three and a half years, or 42 months, which is associated with the Great Tribulation.
The idea that the Antichrist will exalt himself in the Third Temple in Jerusalem and declare himself to be God is derived from passages such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, which states:
Well, many will scoff at my view of it all but I believe the papacy is the antichrist (every pope) and anybody who, intentionally or not, advances the agenda of the Vatican is a "false prophet", and anybody who is a "self-made man", or in any other way represents or thinks of themselves higher than they aught would fall into the "an antichrist" camp. Also, the Vatican is behind the state of "Israel", which is not the Israel talked about in the Bible, yet will be and is being used by globohomo (the Beast) in order to deceive the Christian world by various means and with forced-fulfilled prophecies, which are actually misunderstood and already fulfilled prophecies. Furthermore there is no rapture.
These are my views currently.
No scoffing here, my fren!
You have some good thoughts. I would like to say some more regarding some points of interest you brought up, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow.
I shall be here fren. Looking forward to it!
But are we, the follower of Jesus, the true Israel?
Check out Romans 9-11 when you get a chance. And then see if you have the same question.
Thank you, I will! =)
Ask Paul (;
Makes sense. The woman rides the beast. Church and state
Do you mean there is no Rapture at all? Or are you saying that the Rapture and the 2nd coming are one and the same event?
Yes! Thank you for sharing!
Care to support your assertions?
The assertion that the teaching of the "church being hidden from the Old Testament prophets" originated with the Jesuits and the Counter Reformation is a misconception. The belief in the progressive revelation of the church and its relationship to Old Testament prophecy predates the Counter Reformation and can be traced back to early Christian theologians and scholars.
The idea of the church as a distinct entity that was not fully revealed in the Old Testament but progressively unfolded throughout history has its roots in the writings of the early Church Fathers, such as Irenaeus and Augustine. They developed the concept of the "mystery of the church," highlighting the idea that God's plan for salvation was gradually revealed over time.
Furthermore, the belief that the Pope or the Papacy is the Antichrist was not held universally by all the Reformers. While some Reformers, such as Martin Luther, did hold this view, it was not a consensus among all Protestant theologians. Different Reformers had varying perspectives on the identity of the Antichrist, and their opinions were shaped by their own theological and historical contexts.
Regarding the reference to the Schofield Bible, it is true that the Schofield Reference Bible, first published in the late 19th century, popularized certain dispensationalist interpretations of biblical prophecy. Dispensationalism, which gained traction among some evangelical Christians, emphasizes a strict separation between Israel and the church and sees a future restoration of national Israel as distinct from the church. However, it is important to note that the concept of a progressive revelation and the church's distinct role predates the Schofield Bible and was not solely propagated by it.
It is essential to approach historical and theological topics with a balanced understanding, taking into account the contributions of various scholars, theologians, and historical contexts. The belief in the progressive revelation of the church and its relationship to Old Testament prophecy has been held by theologians throughout the centuries and is not solely attributed to a particular group or movement.
The "Church" or the Church Age was a mystery kept hidden from the OT prophets. This would be the period between the 69th week and the 70th week of Daniel.
The 70th week (The Great Tribulation) is still yet future because we are still in the Church Age.
Lets reconsider Daniel 9:27 in it's greater context to see who is being spoken about in the immediate context:
"Anointed One, the ruler" = Christ
"He will confirm a covenant" = the Antichrist
"he will put an end to sacrifice and offering" = Antichrist
"he will set up an abomination that causes desolation" = Antichrist
The phrase "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed" = the Romans when they destroyed the Temple in 70AD.
Between verse 26 & 27 are roughly 2000 years. Why? Because the Church Age was a mystery to the Old Testament prophets and was not revealed to them in their visions of the future (see above verses). So the OT prophets saw Christ's first coming and his second coming as one event, they did not see the roughly 2000 year gap in between those two events that we are currently living in now.
Many times there are 100's if not 1000's of years tucked in-between two verses. Take, for example, when Jesus stood up in the Temple and read from the scroll of Isaiah:
~ Luke 4:16-21
He is handed the scroll of the prophet Isaiah and reads a specific passage from Isaiah 61:1-2. He stopped at verse 2 and sat down. Verse 3 speaks about the "day of vengeance of our God..." The Day of Vengeance refers to The Great Tribulation which was still yet 2000+ years in the future.
Same with Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks. There are 2 Millennium's in between those two weeks: The Church Age i.e. The Age of Grace, which was kept hidden from the OT saints.
Whoosh! Went over your head. God does choose to work through human agency in our time but that’s not the gist of what I said. It’s a matter of us being too close to the end for any of men’s plans to come to fruition.
Edit: sure you’re not confusing emotional with spiritual? Not that you have to agree with me but perhaps cognitive dissonance has you.
It all depends on your view of "the end". I don't believe in the rapture so, you decide if I missed your point. I'd argue that I didn't
Ditto regarding rapture! You go Winn! I wish more of this talk was allowed here. Let me know if there are boards with like-minded ones. =)
My view of the end is biblical prophecy. Not here to debate any Pre, Post, Mid nothing. We are all here because biblical prophecy is happening now. God is moving. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear this is not lost on you and there are not multiple views. There is only God’s word. IMO God’s word and GAW aren’t compatible.
What do u mean by
My view of the end is biblical prophecy.
I mean it is what it says it is. Read the book. While Revelation is the most specific there are passages throughout that speak of the future end times. Daniel is basically an Old Testament Revelations. Paul writes of mysteries involving the end times as well in many of his books.
Yes, yes, yes! You are on point Rando!
And I disagree with your interpretation of Biblical prophecy and God's Word.
Also, "IMO God’s word and GAW aren’t compatible." - if this is your view what are you doing on here?
Please explain to me how God’s plan of redemption and bringing us into heaven is dooming? It’s a time of rejoicing as our salvation is near. This world is the garbage heap.
Yes. I'm hoping Almighty God is bringing the New Jerusalem to each of us individually and to the whole world! He's taking back what's His and what He made for us!
It could be that Q is the Devil and he’s playing good cop / bad cop and masquerading as an Angel of light and peace. Arthur Pink wrote about the Gospel of Satan and Q is dangerously close.
On the other hand, Q started on the 500th Anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. I’m sure everyone 500 years ago thought Christ would return within days.
Same with WW1. I’m sure everyone thought Christ would return immediately and there was no point in rebuilding.
I mean every century or so. There’s one or more events that people trumpet as being a sign of the end times. Or the start of the end times. World War 1 and World War 2. Both were portrayed as “The final battle” of biblical prophecy.
The 30 years war. Got much the same treatment by those who experienced it.
The American Civil War saw a religious revival among soldiers. With the battles also drawing comparisons to the Great horrors described in scripture.
When the black plague ravaged Europe. European Christians believed it the end times.
Prophecies and Portents of Doom and the end times are as old as recorded history. In fact they predate Christianity. Anytime there was major political, economic, or Military upheaval and uncertainty. Perhaps Barbarians and invaders were running wild and torching the countryside and sacking cities and temples/churches. Maybe plague was running rampant.
Every time There were always those who claimed their God or Gods, whether it be the Pagan, Christian, Jewish, Islamic etc. ones. Was ending the world and that was it. Time for the final judgement of souls.
And well. We’re still here.
You are correct with your examples but I feel it necessary to point out and even stress that those who know the scriptures should not have feared the end so prematurely. Only since after WWII has it even been possible for Israel was not a nation since then (critical to end times prophecy). On top of that while Hitler may have had allies he was nowhere close to having global coordination such as we saw during COVID. One world government and one world currency or marketplace is another critical prophecy that has only recently been plausible. Closer than plausible from behind the scenes. There are very few critical prophecies left to take place but even those are in sight or now being discussed as possibilities. Especially with another WW that would take place after the previously mentioned events.
I believe we are truly finally there and am grateful. While I will endure as long as I have to, I am ready to splitskys now. I hope Jesus comes this very moment as what lies ahead will make the last few years seems like a picnic. Not gonna debate Pre-Trib but it has no prophecy prerequisites and will be a private event involving believers of Christ and can happen at any time. Nonbelievers will only see the after effects of everyone’s disappearance. The Second Coming of Christ and the Apocalypse do have prerequisites as well as being public events that all will witness.
https://youtu.be/nboxWhqQd-8
What if the rapture is all the "died suddenlies" and we are missing it rn? 🤔
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Dark (Satan) to Light (Lucifer)
Lot of people could be considered "an anti-Christ." It is up to each and every one of us to be strong enough in our relationship to God to be able to discern for ourselves. I come here to get the news - the real news, not the fake shit. I come here to support a man who is willing to sacrifice so much for us as American citizens and yet who is literally beaten from every single angle possible by people who are much more likely to be anti-Christ than him (President Trump). I do believe we are in the end times but I also believe that until such a time comes, I will continue to support President Trump and all that he is trying to do for us.
We’ll said! I whole heartedly agree.
The topic of this post is not Pre, Post, or MidTrib. It’s not who is the AC or when the AC shows up. It is how GAW, like many other things that bear false hope, can be “an” anti-Christ. Many are flying right over that point. Aside from that I am stating my opinion that GAW and biblical prophecy do not reconcile. They are not compatible ideas.
Sometimes it our understanding of things that needs to change. I encourage you to keep praying on this thought. Jesus most definitely can and will sort it out. God bless u fren. Praying for you
Thank you fren. Your words are a good message to all. Things do change as more information is revealed or understood but God’s words do not. Thankfully the Holy Spirit is here to guide our understanding. Numbers 6:24-26
You hit it on the head brother. Our understanding of the bible comes from praying for the truth and the Holy Spirit revealing it.
You are over the target Rando!
Thank you for the wise words fren. Numbers 6:24-26
You seem to be forgetting that the rise of President Trump was prophesied by Mark Taylor back in 2011. Also, there is also Acts 1:4-8 which we have not yet fulfilled.
Amen!
A house divided against itself cannot stand. Donald Trump, Q, GAW, has done more to drain the swamp thus exposing the vile creatures that enslave us. I know luciferians have to show their hand as part of their ritualistic power plays but i just can’t reconcile why they would want this much exposure. This is what keeps me considering that perhaps God is about to pull the rug out from under the devil- again.
Antichrist doesn't reveal himself until Church is raptured.
I hope Farag is wrong, I really wanted to buy a small house one last time post divorce.
I understand and sympathize as I would love to see my 1yr old daughter grow up and give me grandchildren but I rest in the hopes of seeing her grown up in an instant in heaven and how much greater all of life will be. There is no comparison. Your small house in heaven will be exponentially better. God bless.
Edit: also try to understand the difference between “an” anti-Christ and “the” anti-Christ.
Many anti-christs Many MOTB's: vaccine, $MONEY$
Oh I suspect there have been many antichrists over the years but yes there is the one that will kick it all off eschatologically.
Figure Satan has had to have somebody on deck ever since the crucifixion bc he knows God will eventually do something but he doesn't know specifically when, so he's got to be ready
Also yes, I can see what you mean regarding things being AC. there have been better and worse times thruout history - is it not possible that we are entering a better time without it necessarily being a devil trick?
...and that depends on if you're Pre-trib or Post-trib. I'm definitely hoping for Pre-trib as that is way more comfy.
Yes, only when the Great Restrainer is removed. When the Holy Spirit leaves this plain all that are in Him leave too.