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BRICS gold-backed currency and the many issues that it needs to overcome. The main concern is, who do you trust to hold the gold? (www.youtube.com) 🗣️ DISCUSSION 💬
posted 2 years ago by xchainlinkx 2 years ago by xchainlinkx +149 / -0
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– catsfive 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Interesting comment. I ran it through ChatGPT-4 and it said this:

While the author's call for a free market, where commodities are traded based on intrinsic value, is appealing, it overlooks some practical realities. Firstly, a universal medium of exchange, like currency, simplifies transactions. Without it, bartering could become highly inefficient and complex. Secondly, intrinsic value is subjective and can fluctuate, leading to inconsistencies in trade and potentially creating market instability.

Moreover, the argument dismisses the importance of a central authority in maintaining economic stability. Fiat currencies, managed by central banks, provide the flexibility needed to respond to economic crises, by adjusting interest rates or money supply.

Lastly, the author's concerns about hoarding and market manipulation are not unique to gold or currency-based economies. In a free market, resources of any kind can be hoarded and manipulated, leading to potential inequalities and economic instability.

In short, while a free market may seem ideal, it doesn't completely address the complex challenges of economic systems, and may create its own set of problems

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– MAG768720 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

Moreover, the argument dismisses the importance of a central authority in maintaining economic stability. Fiat currencies, managed by central banks, provide the flexibility needed to respond to economic crises, by adjusting interest rates or money supply.

This, of course, is an absolute lie, created by whomever programmed the software to spit that out.

The Federal Reserve was championed as an ultimate solution to (a) prevent inflation, (b) prevent bank failures, and (c) prevent depressions.

Inflation has been HORRIFIC since the inception of the Federal Reserve. Prices have skyrocketed so that the value of the US dollar has declined by almost 99% in the past 100 years. In 1913, you could buy a high quality man's suit for 1 ounce of gold, which was $20. Today, you can buy a VERY nice suit for 1 ounce of gold, but in US dollars, what $20 bought you then now takes almost $2,000 (1 ounce of gold is $1,936 as I write this; the gold is the sameas it was 100 years ago, but the dollar has lost value relative to that gold).

Prior to the Federal Reserve (during the 19th century), prices were stable, except during wartime and shortages. The value of the US dollar INCREASED during that century.

Bank failures did occur -- rarely -- prior to the Federal Reserve. But MANY MORE have occured since. the 1980's saw an entire sector of banking (Home Savings and Loan banks) go bankrupt. Recently, we had 3 biggies. More will come, as well.

And of course, the Great Depression was by FAR the worst depression in American history, and it happened WITH the Federal Reserve in existence. Some would argue it happened BECAUSE OF the Federal Reserve's manipulation.

So, central banking has failed -- spectacularly -- on ALL accounts.

Of course, this was just the window dressing. They didn't REALLY give a damn about any of these things. It sounded good to the early 20th century sheep, though.

The REAL reason for a central bank is to allow INSIDERS TO PROFIT from the printing of money -- just like the money changers from centuries ago when they would take in $100,000 in gold (real money) to be held "on deposit" and issued gold certificates to be used as a convenience. But those gold certificates were paper that could be exchanged back into gold. Problem was: The (((money changers))) would fraudulently and without disclosure print up EXTRA gold certificates for themselves, but there was NO extra gold to back them up. Still, they spent the same as all the other gold certificates.

This is the REAL purpose of central banking.

Of course, the computer programmers who program the AI computers are never going to put this into their algo.

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– Monomial 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Yeah. I noticed that immediately as well. It was almost physically painful reading that nonsense that a central authority maintains economic stability. ChatGPT got trained on way too much Keynsian economics to the point it is completely biased. And unfortunately, as a simple AI, it doesn't even know it is horribly biased.

But do I think a point of information is in order here. It's important to note that programmers don't have to deliberately put anything into an AI. Truthfully, they usually have absolutely no idea what is in there. They just let it scan the web and learn. It's just that most of the crap it finds when scraping websites turns out to be the modern establishment BS. You'd have to actively try to find good training data if you wanted a different result.

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– MAG768720 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Good point.

The entirety of the rigged and largely falsified search engines and false "mainstream" websites are the basis for the AI programming.

Same as television for the masses, I guess.

Garbage in; garbage out.

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– Wtf_socialismreally 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Funnily enough, what stood out in that GPT response was:

"central authority", "maintaining", "by adjusting interest rates or money supply".

That inherently says that they can -- and do -- do this, and then attempts to justify it and rationalize it.

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– Slyver 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

OK, lets' play with the AI:

A universal medium of exchange, like currency, simplifies transactions.

For thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) of years people did just fine without a de facto currency. Trade happened, people built infrastructure and plumbing and great cities.

So, maybe it makes it more "simple," which is exactly how it was first sold to the public, but it isn't necessary.

Mainly the way it makes it more simple is by reducing the requirement for people to think about the value of their things. It is by taking away our understanding of the value of things that the monopolies have set the value of things, and we have been led down the path of consumerism.

The entire concept of "simpler" being "better" is not always true, yet it is always suggested as true. Simpler is actually worse in many of the ways our lives have been made simpler. Our understanding of the world around us and indeed, our very souls are destroyed by our "simple" lives.

Wake up. Go to work. Build The Machine. Come home. Watch TV. Go to bed. Die.

Ahhh, the simple life.

intrinsic value is subjective and can fluctuate, leading to inconsistencies in trade and potentially creating market instability.

This suggests that a "currency" leads to consistent trade and "market stability." I consistently trade completely different amounts of Federal Reserve Notes for gas. Is that what "consistent trade" means? And of course, there's the reasonable question: WHEN HAS THE MARKET EVER BEEN STABLE??

Back when we had barter people had to have knowledge of the local value of an item to "gain" on a transaction. Those with the most knowledge of the local value of an item (or what someone else might be willing to trade for it) gained the most. But if all you want is "apples" and you have "fish," all you need to do is find someone who wants your fish, and is willing to trade apples, or is willing to trade for something you can trade for apples. The world worked perfectly fine like this for thousands of years. I'm sure, with our modern technology, and the creation of virtual marketplaces, we would do just fine.

the argument dismisses the importance of a central authority in maintaining economic stability

YOU BET YOUR ASS IT DOES

Who is the real "central authority" maintaining our economy?

How stable has our economy been made by their actions?

What is the "business cycle" really?

Fiat currencies, managed by central banks, provide the flexibility needed to respond to economic crises, by adjusting interest rates or money supply.

All wars are banker wars. All crises are banker crises. Put that in your AI pipe and smoke it.

In a free market, resources of any kind can be hoarded and manipulated, leading to potential inequalities and economic instability.

Yes, but hoard apples and I'll buy pears. No one needs apples. No one needs gold. No one needs any single commodity, so have at it. And if someone hordes something that is truly needed by the entire populace then we do what we have always done, we go to war. Only in this case the war will be waged on the single individual or small group of people doing the hoarding. How long would that war last? Like, if people actually knew that the Cabal was behind all this shit, how long would they last? How likely is a person or group to try to hoard something essential when the last person that tried it ended with their head on a spike?

In addition, this hording of "resources of any kind" that can "lead to potential inequalities" is not solved by a regulated market. Indeed, all resources are owned by a single entity today, so apparently the Centralized Authority brand of market can do the same thing, only better.

All of these arguments rely on there being no controlling entity running the world. It relies on people being ignorant of such an entity. It relies on the situation as it is perceived to be today, not as it actually is.

Every argument relies on premises. In this case, there are too many false premises, and the argument falls apart.

it doesn't completely address the complex challenges of economic systems, and may create its own set of problems

It does address the complex challenges of economic systems. It just requires people to gain knowledge of what a Free Market means. The AI argues for "simpler," what it really means is "simpletons."

"It may create its own set of problems" is not an argument, but a supposition, based on fear, without evidential support. Thus is the world manipulated to fall into another's designs.

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