I think that on a personal level one must allow the Clean Up is the order of the day, and the first thing to do is clean away the corpses. Sometimes, one just has to lime the whole area and bulldoze it. The decision to do so is political, however, because of the anxious survivors looking for relatives. However, in terms of Health and Safety, there has to be a period of painstaking inspection of each house, and each car. Ordinary humans with no safety gear on should not do this. Corpses have a use by date, after which the public should not be allowed to touch them - for safety reasons. The pathogens of dead bodies are particularly toxic. This is a valid reason for a shut-down.
Through the FB grapevine I saw that the help agencies (cough: FEMA) are completely corrupt, and come armed with sign-away-the-property paperwork, so that one can never get it back. So it is a landgrab, for sure.
So the people must rely on local grass-roots groups for humanitarian aid. If you have FB, here is a local - who has contacts to share for money or other donations. She recommends using Personal Delivery via the mail. Diapers, Wipes and Formula, and food deliveries via amazon to Maui FoodBank. An impromptu pepe staging area near the roadblocks at the entry of Laihana for physical deliveries. Any bulk supplies are very hard to get through.
I think it shows his character that after all the things they have done and continue to do to him, he still finds time to acknowledge the pain and trouble of others.
From 8kun…
Are the Maui Wildfires a gateway to the UN-backed 15 Minute Cities?
Looks like the [way leftwing] state gov has big plans for Maui going back to at least 2013 re "green energy." Hoping to convert the entire island to electric only vehicles by 2030?
Wouldn't it be great if the state could acquire a lot of land to help advance such projects?
19355197, >>19355212 Governor Of Hawaii: "I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land …"
Would be in the name of providing AFFORDABLE HOUSING to fire-displaced locals….[see below]
SEE WHERE THIS IS LEADING??
2013:
JUMPSmartMaui
press release 2013:
https://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/131218.html
Hawaii, December 17, 2013 - Hitachi, Ltd. (TSE: 6501, "Hitachi") today announced that it has begun operations on the demonstration site for the Japan-U.S. Island Grid Project on the Maui Island, Hawaii, in collaboration with the New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization ("NEDO"), Mizuho Bank, Ltd. ("Mizuho Bank") and Cyber Defense Institute, Inc. ("Cyber Defense Institute")
The goal of this project…will be to demonstrate smart grid technologies that will enable the efficient use of renewable energy and will contribute to the implementation of a low-carbon social infrastructure system in island regions. The demonstration site has been designed to respond to the rapidly changing demands in the renewable energy market, which will be made possible through the use of electric vehicles (EV) and other innovative technologies.
The demonstration site is scheduled to be in operation from December 17, 2013, through the end of March 2015. Based on the results of analysis a
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Something is not right with this fire. I was military controller on island of Oahu. We assisted all major emergencies on all the islands. But I've seen no signs of military anywhere on Maui including flight tracker. Nothing at all.
I don't understand how there are palm trees with fronds singed but still there blowing in the breeze right next to a structure that burned down. In the drone footage. If anyone who is knowledgeable about fires could explain that, I'd appreciate it.
Just my two cents. I don't know anything about fires.
But, when I burned a pile of dead trees and stuff somewhat close to living trees, some of them would get so hot on certain sides that some of the leaves would cinge, but the tree would be fine.
I have been reading the back and forth about whether this was truly a natural disaster or arson, DEW, etc. But I can't reconcile patriots being in control and allowing something like this to happen intentionally. What are people's thoughts on this?
It's a toughie. Q's "Not everything will be clean" comes to mind.
I think that patriots have controlled the narrative, and control much of the action but can't control everything on the ground, and that there are evil cabal types that still think they can win, so they refuse to go down easily. Obviously just my thoughts, but that's what you asked for.
It's like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Russia has the upper hand, but they still have casualties. Ultimately, they will succeed.
We're in a war right now. The momentum is growing and we will ultimately win. The other side is desperate. They're in an, "I don't give a damn " mode and just throwing whatever they can at us. Even if it's illegal or doesn't make sense. Desperation breeds sloppiness and mistakes.
Moves and countermoves. This is a war against an evil with vast resources whose tentacles have infiltrated every institution and hold on with an iron grip. I believe when Q says they are in control they mean in control of the narrative and by 'having it all' have control of the battlefield. It doesnt mean they control every action and reaction explicitly but they control the overall tenor of the battle.
Using a sports analogy, a team can control the game but that doesnt leave their opponent without recourse. They may be dominated but they can still surprise with a lucky score. We see this every college football weekend when a top team beats a powder puff 63-10. The outcome was never in doubt but the team that was controlled was still able to score.
What it does mean though is that Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming.
Now the billionaires can rebuild Maui to “THEIR” standards. No middle class allowed only the mega rich. I’ve been to Maui numerous times. First time 47 years ago. Only place that I know that a lower income person (natives) can have a multimillion piece of ocean front property. Take a look of what happen to the Black family beach front property taken away https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/accessibility/547792-black-familys-beachfront-ca-property-seized-during-jim/ Take a look at American Indians in Florida land taken away Which Native American tribe left for Florida after losing their land? There were about 5,000 Seminole Indians who claimed Florida's 32 million acres of land as their own. In 1823 under the treaty of Moultrie Creek, they gave up their claim which resulted in reducing their land to 4 millions acres, with no access to their cultivated lands, game, and either ocean. Take a look at African American slaves land taken away in Florida for condos https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eatonville-florida-residents-fight-over-land/ Fake President (F) Joe Biden wants another 24 billion for Ukraine what’s so IRONIC is Maui is a democrat town.
I think that on a personal level one must allow the Clean Up is the order of the day, and the first thing to do is clean away the corpses. Sometimes, one just has to lime the whole area and bulldoze it. The decision to do so is political, however, because of the anxious survivors looking for relatives. However, in terms of Health and Safety, there has to be a period of painstaking inspection of each house, and each car. Ordinary humans with no safety gear on should not do this. Corpses have a use by date, after which the public should not be allowed to touch them - for safety reasons. The pathogens of dead bodies are particularly toxic. This is a valid reason for a shut-down.
Through the FB grapevine I saw that the help agencies (cough: FEMA) are completely corrupt, and come armed with sign-away-the-property paperwork, so that one can never get it back. So it is a landgrab, for sure.
So the people must rely on local grass-roots groups for humanitarian aid. If you have FB, here is a local - who has contacts to share for money or other donations. She recommends using Personal Delivery via the mail. Diapers, Wipes and Formula, and food deliveries via amazon to Maui FoodBank. An impromptu pepe staging area near the roadblocks at the entry of Laihana for physical deliveries. Any bulk supplies are very hard to get through.
Locals have set up starlink.
NOT FEMA or RED CROSS
https://www.facebook.com/rayleneshort/videos/2581039995368705
I reposted this on the discussion board as I believe it deserves a higher status than just a comment.
I think it shows his character that after all the things they have done and continue to do to him, he still finds time to acknowledge the pain and trouble of others.
From 8kun… Are the Maui Wildfires a gateway to the UN-backed 15 Minute Cities? Looks like the [way leftwing] state gov has big plans for Maui going back to at least 2013 re "green energy." Hoping to convert the entire island to electric only vehicles by 2030? Wouldn't it be great if the state could acquire a lot of land to help advance such projects?
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Very high effort. I would suggest making this a post fren.
Something is not right with this fire. I was military controller on island of Oahu. We assisted all major emergencies on all the islands. But I've seen no signs of military anywhere on Maui including flight tracker. Nothing at all.
I don't understand how there are palm trees with fronds singed but still there blowing in the breeze right next to a structure that burned down. In the drone footage. If anyone who is knowledgeable about fires could explain that, I'd appreciate it.
Just my two cents. I don't know anything about fires.
But, when I burned a pile of dead trees and stuff somewhat close to living trees, some of them would get so hot on certain sides that some of the leaves would cinge, but the tree would be fine.
Paradise Fires. As well
His closing comments brought tears to my eyes. Such Heart.
I have been reading the back and forth about whether this was truly a natural disaster or arson, DEW, etc. But I can't reconcile patriots being in control and allowing something like this to happen intentionally. What are people's thoughts on this?
It's a toughie. Q's "Not everything will be clean" comes to mind.
I think that patriots have controlled the narrative, and control much of the action but can't control everything on the ground, and that there are evil cabal types that still think they can win, so they refuse to go down easily. Obviously just my thoughts, but that's what you asked for.
It's like the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Russia has the upper hand, but they still have casualties. Ultimately, they will succeed.
We're in a war right now. The momentum is growing and we will ultimately win. The other side is desperate. They're in an, "I don't give a damn " mode and just throwing whatever they can at us. Even if it's illegal or doesn't make sense. Desperation breeds sloppiness and mistakes.
Moves and countermoves. This is a war against an evil with vast resources whose tentacles have infiltrated every institution and hold on with an iron grip. I believe when Q says they are in control they mean in control of the narrative and by 'having it all' have control of the battlefield. It doesnt mean they control every action and reaction explicitly but they control the overall tenor of the battle.
Using a sports analogy, a team can control the game but that doesnt leave their opponent without recourse. They may be dominated but they can still surprise with a lucky score. We see this every college football weekend when a top team beats a powder puff 63-10. The outcome was never in doubt but the team that was controlled was still able to score.
What it does mean though is that Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming.
Agreed. High winds knocked over power lines. There's a video of it.
When I see videos like this, it really makes me think he is still our president.
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1691218219481067520
https://nitter.net/TeamTrump/status/1691218219481067520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJnWwqo0jw
Now the billionaires can rebuild Maui to “THEIR” standards. No middle class allowed only the mega rich. I’ve been to Maui numerous times. First time 47 years ago. Only place that I know that a lower income person (natives) can have a multimillion piece of ocean front property. Take a look of what happen to the Black family beach front property taken away https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/accessibility/547792-black-familys-beachfront-ca-property-seized-during-jim/ Take a look at American Indians in Florida land taken away Which Native American tribe left for Florida after losing their land? There were about 5,000 Seminole Indians who claimed Florida's 32 million acres of land as their own. In 1823 under the treaty of Moultrie Creek, they gave up their claim which resulted in reducing their land to 4 millions acres, with no access to their cultivated lands, game, and either ocean. Take a look at African American slaves land taken away in Florida for condos https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eatonville-florida-residents-fight-over-land/ Fake President (F) Joe Biden wants another 24 billion for Ukraine what’s so IRONIC is Maui is a democrat town.
Save Maui not Ukraine Billions for Maui not Ukraine it’s our tax dollars it should go to Americans.