Well, they are different ideologies for sure.

One claims our fossil fuel dependency has caused climate change.

The other claims the group accusing people of fossil fuel "fueled" climate change are actually the ones purposely changing the climate. To steal our money and power.

These are two very different things.

"Climate Change" is real. It is constantly changing. We have had multiple ice ages and withdrawals of the ice. !0,000 years ago New York City was under 1/2 to 1 mile of ice. Then the glaciers withdrew - nothing to do with human interference.

Humanity can not interfere with global climate changes. Our miniscule output is nothing compared to what nature routinely does. Let alone cosmic effects such as a meteor wiping out the dinosaurs.

Humanity can pollute rivers, and then clean them. We can certainly make areas and regions uninhabital (to us) for a few thousand years - but of what relevance is that to the "climate" ? - None. We can kill ourselves off by choice or accident - but we cannot alter the climate, destroy the earth or its ecosystem.

The planet will continue with or with out us. Whether we kill ourselevs off or not. Or whether the planet or extraplanettary forces do so. To think we can influence such foces is the height of arrogance.

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Yes I’ve thought about this one often. I do believe climate change is man made purely because of the ability to manufacture….. the climate.

It’s one of those things that I cringe at when I hear people of either side take a hardline position on the extremes of each side. One day, in my opinion, we will be dealt facts. I firmly believe those who think cars and cow farts are our problem will be proven completely wrong. But I also think those who are adamant climate change does not exist will also be proven wrong (this side has already undergone transition from “there is no such thing as global warming or climate change” to “well there is climate change but it’s not manmade”).

As is often the case, somewhere in the middle is more than likely the correct answer. Neither of the extremes can be correct.

I don't belive much in localized weather changes.

If I had more time I would research it.

I'm a conspiracy theorist, and don't believe in either.

HAARP and Beijing office of weather control. Man has been using the U.S. military to seed the atmosphere since the 30’s. You are correct on both accounts. Lots of people are only awake halfway.

I believe in man made climate change. Indeed, the more I've look into it, the more I've become quite convinced that we have substantially altered the world's climate (see Maui fires, California fires, Canada fires, Greek fires, Hurricanes, Freezing in Texas, etc., etc., etc.). I think it's entirely possible we change the climate every day.

Like the main stream narrative, I have absolutely no doubt that we have caused an increase of CO2 from burning fossil fuels, efforts in industry, etc.. It's hard to deny that, it's like, right there. CO2 is a product of combustion. I also think this CO2 production has caused an overall increase in global temperature. CO2 is a green house gas. That's impossible to deny. It holds heat. It's not complicated.

Of course on the scale of such things, CO2 isn't actually a major greenhouse gas. Indeed, it retains heat logarithmically, so the more you add, the less of an impact it will have on the temperature. That's not something that is often discussed. Perhaps it should be. I can find no evidence to justify the belief that an increase in CO2 is going to cause "a global climate disaster," but I do agree that there is substantial evidence that we have caused an increase in atmospheric CO2.

There is a huge amount of known benefits to an increase in CO2 that aren't discussed very often, and I am by no means convinced that our increase in CO2 has caused any harm. It may even be beneficial to our environment, but again, we don't talk about the evidence that supports that assertion.

"Climate Change' Isn't all roses and sunshine though. There are a huge number of other things we have done to our environment that I do think are harmful. Once again, we don't talk about those things nearly often enough.

For example, we have a serious plastics problem. We should almost certainly not be using plastic the way we do. There are many varieties of plastic, and I'm not convinced all are necessarily bad, but quite a few are pretty fucking awful, and we use them all day long, every day.

For example, some types cause infertility (population reduction). We use these all the time to drink from, or store our foods. Some types cause cancer on a population wide level (old age population control and asset transfer)., and again, we use these types for food/drink. Most types don't break down easily, which means they act as destructive environmental pollutants for a very long time (fifty to a hundred years or more). None of the ones we use can be recycled better than a small fraction, not even in theory (due to the way the polymers break down), so we just make them, use them, and throw them in the ground or the ocean, killing life and destroying our otherwise beautiful planet.

All this plastic has a massive environmental impact. We consume and discard plastic all day long, and we don't give a fuck! Instead we sit around fretting our souls to death, worrying about "reducing our carbon footprint." The same carbon which creates plants which creates oxygen which, together create vibrant, thriving life. We do our worrying while drinking from our plastic cups which cause cancer and infertility and we pat ourselves on the back while driving our plastic cars to our plastic jobs where we eat plastic food, only to come home and swim in our plastic pool and kiss our plastic wife. (Err, maybe the 'plastic wife thing is just me, scratch that one.)

I strongly believe in climate change.

I just disagree with the "consensus" on some of the details.

I believe in both. I just believe both man-made phenomena are being perpetrated intentionally by super-empowered entities for the purpose of authoritarian control. When you say “don’t believe in man-made climate change” you are correct. I don’t believe using a gas stove, or driving my car, or burning coal to make electricity, or using crude-oil to move container ships is making the world an unlivable hellscape. One volcanic eruption releases more carbon into our atmosphere than all of the previous “man-made” activities combined. Now…have some men figured out how to trigger volcanic eruptions? Absolutely. So in one sense you are right, just not in the way you implied.