Family of Christian Teen Condemned to Death by Doctors Sounds Alarm
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Thank God Trump dismantled the Obamacare, or else Americans would be in similar situations.
For those who keep asking "How come you dont like free healthcare" - well cases like these are the answer.
Trump didn't dismantle Obamacare. The only thing he did was to do away with the penalty for not having health insurance. Not that this was a small thing. I'm happy he did that much. But everything else about Obamacare is the same as it was.
This is something that really pisses me off with the Republicans in Congress. They raised hell about Obamacare for years and yet when they took control of the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and had the power to gut it and replace it with something better, they chose to stick their thumbs up their asses instead. They had 8 years while Obama was in office to come up with something better. But what did they do instead? That's right, they stuck their thumbs all the way up their poopers.
And then they turn around and blame the Democrats for everything. Most of the Republicans in Congress aren't any better than the Democrats.
Thats all it takes for bad things to be gone. Giving people choice.
Too many people thought socialized medicine was going to be wonderful. Many of them are just now beginning to understand how wonderful it really is.
I don't think this really has to do with socialized healthcare failing. It's an experimental treatment found in Canada, which also has socialized healthcare.
And because it was an experimental treatment, it wouldn't have been covered by Canada's healthcare treatment. She was going to have to pay for it out of pocket anyway because she wasn't a Canadian. And since her family had already bankrupted themselves with lawyer fees, she didn't have a way to pay for it.
And then after all that, it's still Big Pharma, which isn't to be trusted.
In the end, I think this is a very sad story about a young woman with a horrible fatal illness who, for various reasons, wasn't able to try an experimental treatment (which most likely couldn't be trusted anyway).
And someone saw a way to use this poor girl's tragedy to stoke up fear and anger and sell newspapers.
I was referring to why Trump didn't dismantle Obummer Care. It would have required support from Congress, which he wasn't going to get, and people need to understand what the true cost of socialized medicine really is. We essentially have it now, but it's run by the insurance companies, big pharma, and the large providers. The only difference would be who controls all the purse strings, and who gets to launder money out of the system.
If people feel basic health care is a right, then that is a separate discussion, but for it to work, you have to safe guard the system so it only provides basic health care and nothing more. As soon as you set it up, someone is going to come along and demand that the system pays for all the special treatment their loved one requires, even if it means 1000s of others go without. And some lawyer will be more than willing to take on the challenge of ruining the system.
But Trump did try to dismantle it. He lobbied hard for it. McCain was the chief one who held it up and prevented it from being dismantled. That is one of the reasons why people detest McCain so much.
And institute Right To Try!
The family states the patient was fully conscious, and prevented from accessing specialized treatment, which sounds like they were trying to help her live out her days despite them being unfortunate. Many people have bodies that don't work, but Fully Conscious means a LOT.
The fundamental issue with this case is not socialized medicine but that the UK government basically was able to take control of this girl and to do what they wanted with her. In other words, to enslave her. Using medical status as an excuse for the state to take control of an individual is not restricted to the countries with socialized medicine. It just happens there more because authoritarian despot countries like the UK also tend to also have socialized medicine.
I totally agree with you.
“We are deeply disturbed by how we have been treated by the hospital trust and the courts. We have been gagged, silenced, and most importantly, prevented from accessing specialist treatment abroad for Sudiksha. Had she been allowed to seek nucleoside treatment six months ago it may well be that she would still be with us and recovering.”
The teen died last week following a lengthy hospital and court battle in which the U.K.’s National Health Service prevented her from seeking potentially life-saving treatments abroad.
For months, the courts, at the insistence of the NHS, refused to give the family permission even to release her name. Even now, the court’s have ordered a complete censorship of the name of the health institution and doctors involved in depriving her of an option to be treated abroad.
Freakin demons.
These assholes don't realize the monsters they're creating. A man who's lost everything and has nothing left, can be a very dangerous man.
I'm really conflicted on this. I 100% am behind people being able to seek whatever treatment they would like. And I don't believe that they should have been able to force her into palliative care against her wishes and the wishes of her family.
But how was she going to pay for the experimental treatment? That type of treatment is really expensive. She wanted to go to Canada to get it, but she was not a Canadian. Canada had no obligation to pay for any treatment she got there. And considering how Big Pharma is not to be trusted, why would it be a good idea to trust them about this therapy?
And why are they making a point out of telling us she's Christian? I don't see anywhere how her religion affects this case. I get the impression that because of her name and appearance people might presume she's non-Christian. I kind of feel like they're trying to trigger other Christians into getting angry on her behalf over this in some misguided belief that Christians are being persecuted in the UK.
PS- I just saw a post on this thread that has made me look at this a different way. Someone from the UK who has been following this story says that she was free to leave anytime she wanted. The articles I read made it seem like she was under the equivalent of house arrest when she was put into palliative care. If that's not true and she had the opportunity to leave to go to Canada whenever she wanted, then the Doctors in the UK aren't responsible for her not seeking treatment there, in my opinion.
They were saying Canada was doing a clinical trial. Those are usually provided free of charge because they are part of the development process for a particular treatment. The down side is they are not guaranteed to work and not guaranteed to be safe, but if you're going to die anyways, you can opt to take that risk.
Also, in cases like these, where there is a lot publicity, raising money from the public starts to become quiet viable and some doctors and hospitals even offer to provide treatment at reduced cost or for free (they cover it themselves) on humanitarian grounds.
And it's not guaranteed she would have gotten a place in the trial.
That's a good point that it's relatively easy to fundraise.
I've been reading all the articles I can find about this and I don't understand why she and her family didn't take matters in their own hands instead of waiting for the doctors in the UK to do it for her.
Some of the articles make it seem like she was on some version of house arrest under palliative care. But from other articles and what an Anon from the UK who has been following this story says, she could have left at any time.
So the question still is, why didn't she and her family pursue this avenue on their own?
Thanks for giving us the information regarding the clinical trials. It helps to have someone who is in the business correct those of us who are just assuming the way things are.
Hmm, that's a very good point. I'll have to do some digging.
The sad part is nothing in medicine should be expensive. It should cost what it cost. Not marked up 400%
Mmm, that subject can get really prickly really fast.
Anytime it's pointed out that for-profit healthcare is a product of capitalism, people get really angry and defensive because they think it's criticizing capitalism to point that out.
But how would we change it? Ban people in the medical field from making a profit? Or capping the amount of profit they can make? Considering the (in my opinion, valid) low opinion of Big Pharma and the healthcare system in general around here, most people wouldn't have a problem with that.
But if we somehow prevented people from making a profit, or capping their profit, on healthcare, then our entire healthcare system would be crippled. Because most people involved aren't going to stick around just out of the goodness of their hearts.
So what then? Have the government fund research and development and production of healthcare services? Now we have socialized healthcare.
So you see how fast that conversation can get heated?
Big difference in for profit and taking advantage though. Doctors and nurses should be paid well. And treatment should be capped to be reasonable. They rape the sick and needy.
I agree that huge markups in healthcare are not ethical. But where do we draw the line there? Who determines what is an acceptable amount of profit? And do we apply that to all businesses or just healthcare?
Doctors and nurses are just a tiny percentage of where money goes in healthcare.
And you can't force businesses or healthcare workers to accept what you believe is a reasonable profit. The only reason most people work in areas like pharmaceuticals and hospital equipment manufacturing and supply is because of those huge profits. You cut their profits and they're going to go somewhere else to make their money. So our healthcare system still collapses.
I'm not on the side of for-profit healthcare. Or advocating for people in the medical industry making huge profits. I'm also not advocating for socialized healthcare. I'm just trying to point out the realities of the business.
I'm not for or against those either. But surely we can make this better. Healthcare is a necessity and should be affordable. A pharma collapse would be nice actually. Making millions by making us sick and selling us a remedy. Lower cost and higher accountability for these demons
And how do you propose to do that? Seriously, I would like to know. Are you going to try to convince people to not be greedy? Or are we going to have the government make laws capping the amount of profits someone can make and then force people to do those jobs?
Capping laws. Or sliding scales based on income. It will be illegal to be wealthy off of the sickness of others. I don't have the technical answer though. That's why I wanted to discuss with you
Christians are being persecuted, Take a look around the world. Under Obama more Christians were killed by ISIS. I remember three small children ISIS beheaded because they told ISIS they love Jesus. But people should be given the right to try.
I'm not saying that Christians aren't being persecuted in general.
I'm saying that there is no obvious reason why the writer made her religion an issue here. I just feel that it was a tactic to trigger an emotional response in other Christians.
I noticed medical allowances for other religions ? Why was the right to try dismissed ?
I'm in the UK and this story is being heavily politicised outside of the UK.
In Britain, the story is still politicised, but somewhat simpler; a girl with an incurable genetic disorder had been in intensive care for over a year. The doctors said IC couldn't do any more and she required palliative, end of life care. She died shortly afterwards.
The point being, she was in intensive care for over a year with an incurable illness. She was cared for for over a year; a whole year of treatment. When she died, people have tried to politicise it for their own ends. (and nobody was forcing her to stay in that hospital, or stopping her from travelling elsewhere for treatment, that just isn't true)
Thank you for saying this, because I think articles like this are printed to cause people to become angry, and feel hopeless, until lower frequency. Thank you.
Thanks for letting us know this. The stuff I was reading about it said that the doctors had ordered her into palliative care against her wishes and the wishes of her family. It made it seem like she was under the equivalent of house arrest.
That really makes a difference in how I see this. If she was able to leave but chose not to, then that's on her.
Thank you for sharing this. But people should be given the right to try a cure since as they claim they have nothing to lose to begin with. Why deny them ?
I hope those responsible for this young ladies death get justice in this life but I know justice will come sooner or later!
Amen, nobody escapes Gods justice.
She's a Christian, so she is with God now. Don't weep for her - weep for her grieving family.
Amen, but we must ensure this does not happen to any child or adult.
Should have told them she wanted a sex change operation.
They would have paid for her trip.
I suspect you are correct.
They will get theirs!
Nobody escapes Gods justice. In God we trust.