Interestingly, I drove past a Ford dealer today and noticed they had put all their F150 Lightnings and Mach-e’s out near the road promoting them. It wasn’t an insignificant number. No one wants them.
I find the idea of them interesting (technology and power), but the batteries hold them back. The mining is highly destructive to the land and they are mined with child labor. Additionally, who would trust a battery in an ev that was more than 5 to 8 years old? Meaning used EV’s will be near worthless; making them, essentially, disposable cars.
The reality is that the picture you paint is a function of choice, not the "laws of physics." There is nothing wrong with EVs. On the contrary, it is a great technology. Stored electricity vehicles were destroyed as an industry in the first part of the 20th century by the PTB because of their desire to control energy consumption (economic manipulation) and to create the World Wars (gasoline is a lot better than electricity for wars). Thus they pushed "fossil fuels" (a misnomer) as the best energy solution for transportation because it gave them more control.
the batteries hold them back.
We don't need to create batteries the way we do. We don't need to use the materials we use. There is all sorts of tech that we choose not to use or explore (further develop). We don't even need to store our electric energy in a chemical battery at all. There are ALL SORTS of methods of storing electricity. You can even store it in gasoline, or hydrogen, or water, or biodiesel, or all sorts of other fuels. You can store it in spinning discs, which if done correctly, can provide excellent handling characteristics for cars. We have that technology and it is excellent, but we choose not to use it. The amount of ways we can use EV tech to make better transportation systems is staggering. We don't because it "isn't economically advantageous," but that's total bullshit, or only half the picture. It isn't economically advantageous because the PTB don't want it to be.
The mining is highly destructive to the land and they are mined with child labor.
The current EV tech is designed to exploit people. But so is the current gasoline tech. Indeed, it took a hundred years of slave labor in developing gasoline tech to get to the point where it's exploitative qualities are more well hidden than our EV tech. Any new disruptive industry goes through the "slave" stage. Gasoline went through it overtly before, and it is still going through it, just not in America. EVs are going through it in a more obvious way now, but only by choice.
Gasoline still is not what supporters of it suggest. Electric motivation is not "the devil" to gasolines "angel." They are both fubar, neither because they have to be, but because the PTB want them to be, on both counts. The exploitation is a feature not a bug.
That is the "Reality" of the situation. Pushing one side, or deriding the other, misses the Big Picture of the nature of our Reality: to wit, there are a lot of evil people that manipulate all sides of technology, and every conversation about it, to control the world.
I agree. EVs are great technology - but their apex would be an EV tied to a diesel generator running at optimal RPM providing the electricity. Then you can get the best of both worlds.
Sadly, this design will never see the light of day.
Also, cars - all of them - are being setup to be controlled by the government. A government back door was mandated as part of the new CAFE standards.
their apex would be an EV tied to a diesel generator running at optimal RPM providing the electricity
I disagree with this being "their apex," but I do agree this would be a substantial improvement over the current Li ion battery system that is currently pushed. It would also be trivially easy to implement.
Getting a diesel engine, which can run on anything, even fuel you can make from plants you grow in your garden (if you have a big enough garden), running at the optimal thermal cycle, would provide all sorts of transportation advances. The energy density (cost/volume and weight per usable watt-hour) of such a set up, as well as the pollution level is superior to all other systems we currently use in the mainstream, even if it's not necessarily the "best possible" with current tech.
I meant Apex as more "best of all possible trade offs". If we go with all tech available to us, we can get better, but you lose out in other areas - at least in our current world. 20 years of development in any direction could wildly change things.
It gives us a mature power plant tech ology, coupled with a fairly safe and stable fuel, which is quickly replaced when low/out, using already in place infrastructure, that runs an EV, which has some good pluses over mechanical ICE driven systems.
A lot of energy storage options we have lack a lot of usefulness for car and transport in areas like transportability, stability, or size requirements.
Disclaimer: I own a V8 as well as an EV. I like them both.
Saw a report recently that the EV sales pipeline is stuffed full of 90 days worth of inventory. By comparison, gas cars have about 60 days inventory. They've got too much inventory. Topping that death blow off, Tesla is taking two-thirds of all EV sales because they've lowered prices to suck up all the demand. Tesla makes a profit on every car at those lower prices. The rest of the industry is losing money on every car at any price.
So that may be a big factor in pushing the Lightning and Mach-E. Expect great discounts, 0% financing, etc. to move that inventory.
I don't care about the "mining is destructive to the land" argument. So is steel mining, oil mining, it's all bad if you look at it with that bias. I want a car/truck that works correctly and reliably. The Earth will be fine. Kids need jobs too, they build character.
Battery age is a bit of a worry, but I know a guy with a 12 year old Tesla and he says it is still going strong... so what is the true lifespan of these massive battery packs? I don't think we know yet. Certainly some of them die early, and yes they are expensive and probably bankrupt the car. But if the battery lasts 15-20 years, that's probably lifespan for 80% of the cars on the road. I suspect a new Tesla could make it 20 years, knowing how they are researching battery tech.
Ultimately, in 100 years, gas powered cars are going to be a novelty. You won't really want one for your daily driving. I love my V8, but the EV is way more convenient and takes zero maintenance other than tires.
I know EVs will replace gas vehicles as certainly as gas replaced horses. Do we still have horses, yes. We will also still have gas cars, but they will be very uncommon and very expensive to maintain.
EV is the future, my friend. Powered by oil and coal, certainly, but the drive train is the future. I’m not a climate retard. I’m addicted to power and acceleration and EV is the future.
I had a job when I was 10. I was not abused, I enjoyed my job. I see it as a major failure of the USA to outlaw child labor, so I’m not about to believe the propaganda that other countries are abusing their kids by giving them something productive to do.
I started working in an upholstery store at age 9. I chose to look for work and I enjoyed my job as well. Would have been much different if my boss didn't care about me and I was forced to dig materials out of the ground when I was 6 years old! You are quite out of touch with what's going on. Best you do more research before you make anymore stupid comparisons! Also...pretty sure it's not "propaganda" as I saw the video of the slave labor going on in S Africa's mines.
I don't believe government propaganda designed to get me outraged and demanding that the government exercise more power over people. If six year old child labor in foreign countries is a problem, the people of those countries can put a stop to it.
I work for a tow company/repair shop. Found out yesterday that the city is now requiring the tow companies who are contracted for police towing to install electric vehicle burn pits.
The whole thing was pushed by the WEF through government subsidies. The companies giving up on it feels like a bit of proof that the Cabal influence is fading.
The massive battery plant they’re building in Glendale Ky is still going gang busters. I know they know it’s all a pipe dream, so I wonder if its purpose might be for something else.
What about the huge contract they had with the postal service they took from workhorse when biden got stole his wat in. Ford failed the postal contract last year. Workhorse still has the tech.
This video is crap. Although I hate EVs, I can tell you for a fact Ford is not “shutting down EV production lines.” They aren’t selling well, but to say that they’re shutting down just isn’t true.
That’s hard to believe. I mean Ford is building a literal city about an hour or so from me. Called Blue Oval City. Gonna specialize in electric vehicles. And when they say Cory, they mean it. You outta see the electrical wiring crossing the interstate high above. It’s massive. This place is gonna have restaurants, housing, shopping centers. Huge. Billions. To say they are just gonna stop now…I don’t see that happening.
They barely got down the self driving and just nosedived right into the EV. I have a friend that programmed his own car to be self driving. Very impressive. Threw me for a loop when i got in his car for the first time. He was working in the open source project for self driving cars, if i remember correctly ford was wanting to use their work for their own self driving car.
There is a TON of prejudice when it comes to EV's. And the propaganda from the gas industry is hard to break for most here. I have 2 gas-powered cars and 2 EV's. The convenience & simplicity of an EV is really nice. A lot less maintenance & EVs have waaaaay fewer moving parts than a standard combustible engine. Which translates into less shit to go wrong. Go ahead, downvote the hell out of me. It's what you've been programmed to do. Is the tech perfect? No, but it's not the big evil it's being made out to be.
EVs have waaaaay fewer moving parts than a standard combustible engine
And thrice the number of computers that can go haywire and decide to not go anywhere. Any idiot off the street can wrenchmonkey their engine into moving another mile, I don't foresee many pulling up a dev enviroment to diagnose why the BMS is going bananas and not charging the batteries.
"Any idiot off the street can wrenchmonkey their engine into moving another mile"
That's just not true of most folks these days. I'll concede to your point on the computers though. That may or may not be an issue. Time will tell on that one. Hell, that was the weak point on my wife's Jeep before she got rid of it.
Interestingly, I drove past a Ford dealer today and noticed they had put all their F150 Lightnings and Mach-e’s out near the road promoting them. It wasn’t an insignificant number. No one wants them.
I find the idea of them interesting (technology and power), but the batteries hold them back. The mining is highly destructive to the land and they are mined with child labor. Additionally, who would trust a battery in an ev that was more than 5 to 8 years old? Meaning used EV’s will be near worthless; making them, essentially, disposable cars.
Reality is a cruel mistress.
Works great on a bike, 25 mile round trip tour with little effort and minus engine noise. But for a truck I want a Gas engine.
Could you imagine EV Semi-trucks, one Pilot truck stop charging would brown out an entire state.
We are weakening the grid while mandating way more demand
Yeah, unless they can power them.from the ether, no go.
The reality is that the picture you paint is a function of choice, not the "laws of physics." There is nothing wrong with EVs. On the contrary, it is a great technology. Stored electricity vehicles were destroyed as an industry in the first part of the 20th century by the PTB because of their desire to control energy consumption (economic manipulation) and to create the World Wars (gasoline is a lot better than electricity for wars). Thus they pushed "fossil fuels" (a misnomer) as the best energy solution for transportation because it gave them more control.
We don't need to create batteries the way we do. We don't need to use the materials we use. There is all sorts of tech that we choose not to use or explore (further develop). We don't even need to store our electric energy in a chemical battery at all. There are ALL SORTS of methods of storing electricity. You can even store it in gasoline, or hydrogen, or water, or biodiesel, or all sorts of other fuels. You can store it in spinning discs, which if done correctly, can provide excellent handling characteristics for cars. We have that technology and it is excellent, but we choose not to use it. The amount of ways we can use EV tech to make better transportation systems is staggering. We don't because it "isn't economically advantageous," but that's total bullshit, or only half the picture. It isn't economically advantageous because the PTB don't want it to be.
The current EV tech is designed to exploit people. But so is the current gasoline tech. Indeed, it took a hundred years of slave labor in developing gasoline tech to get to the point where it's exploitative qualities are more well hidden than our EV tech. Any new disruptive industry goes through the "slave" stage. Gasoline went through it overtly before, and it is still going through it, just not in America. EVs are going through it in a more obvious way now, but only by choice.
Gasoline still is not what supporters of it suggest. Electric motivation is not "the devil" to gasolines "angel." They are both fubar, neither because they have to be, but because the PTB want them to be, on both counts. The exploitation is a feature not a bug.
That is the "Reality" of the situation. Pushing one side, or deriding the other, misses the Big Picture of the nature of our Reality: to wit, there are a lot of evil people that manipulate all sides of technology, and every conversation about it, to control the world.
I agree. EVs are great technology - but their apex would be an EV tied to a diesel generator running at optimal RPM providing the electricity. Then you can get the best of both worlds.
Sadly, this design will never see the light of day.
Also, cars - all of them - are being setup to be controlled by the government. A government back door was mandated as part of the new CAFE standards.
You know. For safety.
That’s the way train engines work isn’t it? Diesel powering electric motors?
And boats, too.
I disagree with this being "their apex," but I do agree this would be a substantial improvement over the current Li ion battery system that is currently pushed. It would also be trivially easy to implement.
Getting a diesel engine, which can run on anything, even fuel you can make from plants you grow in your garden (if you have a big enough garden), running at the optimal thermal cycle, would provide all sorts of transportation advances. The energy density (cost/volume and weight per usable watt-hour) of such a set up, as well as the pollution level is superior to all other systems we currently use in the mainstream, even if it's not necessarily the "best possible" with current tech.
I meant Apex as more "best of all possible trade offs". If we go with all tech available to us, we can get better, but you lose out in other areas - at least in our current world. 20 years of development in any direction could wildly change things.
It gives us a mature power plant tech ology, coupled with a fairly safe and stable fuel, which is quickly replaced when low/out, using already in place infrastructure, that runs an EV, which has some good pluses over mechanical ICE driven systems.
A lot of energy storage options we have lack a lot of usefulness for car and transport in areas like transportability, stability, or size requirements.
You might like this diesel-electric semi then.
I'm already aware of Edison's efforts. I find them a good step.
But I'm pretty much waiting to see them bought out by another company financed by the government because its not an approved use of EV tech.
There's a recall on the mach e for punching the sissy pedal too hard
Disclaimer: I own a V8 as well as an EV. I like them both.
Saw a report recently that the EV sales pipeline is stuffed full of 90 days worth of inventory. By comparison, gas cars have about 60 days inventory. They've got too much inventory. Topping that death blow off, Tesla is taking two-thirds of all EV sales because they've lowered prices to suck up all the demand. Tesla makes a profit on every car at those lower prices. The rest of the industry is losing money on every car at any price.
So that may be a big factor in pushing the Lightning and Mach-E. Expect great discounts, 0% financing, etc. to move that inventory.
I don't care about the "mining is destructive to the land" argument. So is steel mining, oil mining, it's all bad if you look at it with that bias. I want a car/truck that works correctly and reliably. The Earth will be fine. Kids need jobs too, they build character.
Battery age is a bit of a worry, but I know a guy with a 12 year old Tesla and he says it is still going strong... so what is the true lifespan of these massive battery packs? I don't think we know yet. Certainly some of them die early, and yes they are expensive and probably bankrupt the car. But if the battery lasts 15-20 years, that's probably lifespan for 80% of the cars on the road. I suspect a new Tesla could make it 20 years, knowing how they are researching battery tech.
Ultimately, in 100 years, gas powered cars are going to be a novelty. You won't really want one for your daily driving. I love my V8, but the EV is way more convenient and takes zero maintenance other than tires.
I know EVs will replace gas vehicles as certainly as gas replaced horses. Do we still have horses, yes. We will also still have gas cars, but they will be very uncommon and very expensive to maintain.
EV is the future, my friend. Powered by oil and coal, certainly, but the drive train is the future. I’m not a climate retard. I’m addicted to power and acceleration and EV is the future.
They are using small children to dig the cobalt out of the ground by hand...it's slave labor!
"They are" splattering small children--- probably, the lucky ones, are blown to fine mist--- all over the rubble in Canaan.
I had a job when I was 10. I was not abused, I enjoyed my job. I see it as a major failure of the USA to outlaw child labor, so I’m not about to believe the propaganda that other countries are abusing their kids by giving them something productive to do.
I started working in an upholstery store at age 9. I chose to look for work and I enjoyed my job as well. Would have been much different if my boss didn't care about me and I was forced to dig materials out of the ground when I was 6 years old! You are quite out of touch with what's going on. Best you do more research before you make anymore stupid comparisons! Also...pretty sure it's not "propaganda" as I saw the video of the slave labor going on in S Africa's mines.
I don't believe government propaganda designed to get me outraged and demanding that the government exercise more power over people. If six year old child labor in foreign countries is a problem, the people of those countries can put a stop to it.
I have wondered similar idea, how big of an engine to drive electric motor, seems there would be alot of options
The only reason i can guess they aren’t reality is patent infringement
I work for a tow company/repair shop. Found out yesterday that the city is now requiring the tow companies who are contracted for police towing to install electric vehicle burn pits.
Here's the Ford CEO.
Guess the 2030 schedule is going to be missed unless the gov't makes us all ride busses and we keep our old ICE cars.
I expected this when I saw that GM's development budget was like $60M for EVs but around $800M for new V8s.
What could be a dumber corporate decision than EV's? You don't have to wait long. Say hello to bugs as food.
The whole thing was pushed by the WEF through government subsidies. The companies giving up on it feels like a bit of proof that the Cabal influence is fading.
The massive battery plant they’re building in Glendale Ky is still going gang busters. I know they know it’s all a pipe dream, so I wonder if its purpose might be for something else.
What about the huge contract they had with the postal service they took from workhorse when biden got stole his wat in. Ford failed the postal contract last year. Workhorse still has the tech.
This video is crap. Although I hate EVs, I can tell you for a fact Ford is not “shutting down EV production lines.” They aren’t selling well, but to say that they’re shutting down just isn’t true.
Boom!
That’s hard to believe. I mean Ford is building a literal city about an hour or so from me. Called Blue Oval City. Gonna specialize in electric vehicles. And when they say Cory, they mean it. You outta see the electrical wiring crossing the interstate high above. It’s massive. This place is gonna have restaurants, housing, shopping centers. Huge. Billions. To say they are just gonna stop now…I don’t see that happening.
https://corporate.ford.com/operations/blue-oval-city.html
They barely got down the self driving and just nosedived right into the EV. I have a friend that programmed his own car to be self driving. Very impressive. Threw me for a loop when i got in his car for the first time. He was working in the open source project for self driving cars, if i remember correctly ford was wanting to use their work for their own self driving car.
....and nothing of value was lost.
Well done guys.
There is a TON of prejudice when it comes to EV's. And the propaganda from the gas industry is hard to break for most here. I have 2 gas-powered cars and 2 EV's. The convenience & simplicity of an EV is really nice. A lot less maintenance & EVs have waaaaay fewer moving parts than a standard combustible engine. Which translates into less shit to go wrong. Go ahead, downvote the hell out of me. It's what you've been programmed to do. Is the tech perfect? No, but it's not the big evil it's being made out to be.
And thrice the number of computers that can go haywire and decide to not go anywhere. Any idiot off the street can wrenchmonkey their engine into moving another mile, I don't foresee many pulling up a dev enviroment to diagnose why the BMS is going bananas and not charging the batteries.
"Any idiot off the street can wrenchmonkey their engine into moving another mile"
That's just not true of most folks these days. I'll concede to your point on the computers though. That may or may not be an issue. Time will tell on that one. Hell, that was the weak point on my wife's Jeep before she got rid of it.
If they get “cash car” cheap, I’ll get one for my commute.