This has been the wolf that Dr. Peter Pry (RIP 2022) has been crying about for a very long time. No one paid attention to him, which is probably unfortunate, because he had a legitimate concern.
I suspect this is a handy "man-bites-dog" story to fill blank space. If it were for real, the Deep State would be struck dead along with everyone else. If it isn't real, there are alternatives to the internet, such as Starlink.
Even though you "might" be able to connect to a satellite, you still need internet to get to servers around the earth once starlink downlinks. Additionally, if the datacenter or its connectivity where your destination url resides is offline it's not gonna respond.
INB4 reroute, it is correct that the internet can re-route to get to a site, but at some point there are few entry points into the datacenter and a local outage can take them offline.
It won't be easy. But Starlink depends on a monstrously-large constellation, which suggests that Musk is looking toward a direct link between the user and the constellation. If the constellation is linking only to a modest number of portals, there would be no need for such a large constellation. This is the way in which his (former) support of the Ukraine armed forces would make sense, since battlefield connectivity depends on radio communication. This has always been the long-term goal of large-scale satcoms, and why they are attractive to nations (such as in Africa) which have poor existing internet connectivity.
Also, there is the possibility that the EMP threat is overblown, or that measures have been taken by government and private actors (or at least I hope so). Many were convinced that we would have a worldwide computer glitch once the 21st century arrived, but it turned out to be a nothingburger.
The large constellation is to allow connectivity only, much like access points. Alot of them are needed to cover the large geographical area. Each starlink satellite has a finite footprint on the earth it can service because the angles and distances make the connection unstable.
Starlink does NOT host web services and systems in space other than the access point (and future cell service via tmobile). So you still need to downlink to earth for access to connected systems and services. There are many downlinks and the system can transfer connections via satellite to a better downlink location. But you still need the earth's internet.
Regarding the hope that government and private business are prepared.. they like to say they are but the reality is somewhere around the dunning-krueger-esc "we are prepared" to "were working on it".
The problem here is its all simulations, nothing real. The last real nuke test for emp was just before the airburst treaty went into effect and the blast pegged all the measuring equipment.
We don't know what we don't know. Be prepared for life without...
Thanks for the clarification. My prior experience was some exposure to the Teledesic project, operating with an antenna footprint of 700 km2. These footprints move along at orbital speed (~7.8 km/sec for low Earth orbit), so dwell times are probably measured in a matter of a few minutes at most. There will be considerable packet switching to connect with a ground terminal.
I looked up Starlink to get some sense of the downlink distribution and support and it is pretty amazing. A complete terminal is priced to be available to commercial or industrial entities. A lesser capability is potentially available to those who can afford it, so links direct to user may not be far off at all. It was a quick scan of a long article, but it seems that the system relies on wifi for the final path to the end user, instead of landline.
The government apparently issued a response strategy in 2018, so, yeah, they're "working on it."
Were you thinking of the Starfish Prime test in 1962? There is plenty of theoretical dissection of what happened, based also on a similar Soviet test that same year. Underground tests still provided data on nuclear detonations, and we've also learned more about the structure of the upper atmosphere since then.
Yea the whole fishbowl project really. From the models devised from those experiments they have extrapolated what "could or should" happen regarding emp, but its all just models.
I tend to think that the starlink satellites would be greatly affected as well. In private discussion with starlink design engineers they give zero confidence in survivability of the local constellation above a blast.
If you are doubting this, you need to go to this web site and view a number of their videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/videos
This answer is you better believe it. Not only the internet but the entire electrical grid. The earths magnetic field is weakened by about 25% and getting weaker, which means there is less protection from corona mass ejections and solar wind in general. This is exacerbated by the polar shift. These CME's send charged particles that "attack" the electrical grid; think of energy spike. Even before the magnetic field weakening, CME's would cause energy spikes that kill transformers. Now, the effect is even more serious. Electronics will be affected also. Communication will be lost with a significant CME. This has happened before in 1859; https://earthsky.org/human-world/carrington-event-1859-solar-storm-effects-today/#:~:text=Note%3A%20Earth%20to%20scale%2C%20but,use%2C%20such%20as%20the%20telegraph. All this effect will continue to get worse during solar cycle 25, and peak in cycle 26 over next 25 years. This is NOT climate change; it is truly catastrophism.
Q Post 282
I have a question: The 10 DAYS, darkness.. when?
Shutdown.
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Dec 12, 2018 6:54:13 PM EST
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 089200 No. 4280699
Dec 12, 2018 6:52:39 PM EST
Anonymous ID: 5c3172 No. 4280617
Q - Should we be prepping for some kind of SHUTDOWN?
4280617
No.
Reports of 'power grid' attacks (6 mo prep) should be disregarded.
While attacks do occur, we are safeguarded by a 'Black Eye'.
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Dec 11, 2017 1:50:52 PM EST
Q !ITPb.qbhqo ID: 4a55e6 No. 74128
Risk of another SHUTDOWN.
Be prepared to lose access.
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Apr 06, 2018 3:17:40 PM EDT
Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: 03213a No. 922142
Apr 06, 2018 3:13:13 PM EDT
Anonymous ID: 6eea8a No. 922075
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Christian ? Christian Ring ?
922075
Pics will surface of Hussein holding AK47 in TRIBAL ATTIRE.
One of many.
Net shut down.
I thought the whole idea of the internet was to be a resilient system, something that could withstand all kinds of damage and still find a way through?
It depends how much is down.. it can reroute, but at some point it's gonna narrow down to a datacenter data connection.. no matter how big, it still a localized site.. not all sites have regional hot backups..
The Answer: Communication blackout
Appears they are telegraphing their plans. There is your sign they lost control of the narrative and have to shut the internet down.
I've been hearing about this fairly consistently for 20 years.
Just a cover story when the DS shuts down the internet because they no longer control the narrative.
This has been the wolf that Dr. Peter Pry (RIP 2022) has been crying about for a very long time. No one paid attention to him, which is probably unfortunate, because he had a legitimate concern.
I suspect this is a handy "man-bites-dog" story to fill blank space. If it were for real, the Deep State would be struck dead along with everyone else. If it isn't real, there are alternatives to the internet, such as Starlink.
Even though you "might" be able to connect to a satellite, you still need internet to get to servers around the earth once starlink downlinks. Additionally, if the datacenter or its connectivity where your destination url resides is offline it's not gonna respond.
INB4 reroute, it is correct that the internet can re-route to get to a site, but at some point there are few entry points into the datacenter and a local outage can take them offline.
It won't be easy. But Starlink depends on a monstrously-large constellation, which suggests that Musk is looking toward a direct link between the user and the constellation. If the constellation is linking only to a modest number of portals, there would be no need for such a large constellation. This is the way in which his (former) support of the Ukraine armed forces would make sense, since battlefield connectivity depends on radio communication. This has always been the long-term goal of large-scale satcoms, and why they are attractive to nations (such as in Africa) which have poor existing internet connectivity.
Also, there is the possibility that the EMP threat is overblown, or that measures have been taken by government and private actors (or at least I hope so). Many were convinced that we would have a worldwide computer glitch once the 21st century arrived, but it turned out to be a nothingburger.
The large constellation is to allow connectivity only, much like access points. Alot of them are needed to cover the large geographical area. Each starlink satellite has a finite footprint on the earth it can service because the angles and distances make the connection unstable.
Starlink does NOT host web services and systems in space other than the access point (and future cell service via tmobile). So you still need to downlink to earth for access to connected systems and services. There are many downlinks and the system can transfer connections via satellite to a better downlink location. But you still need the earth's internet.
Regarding the hope that government and private business are prepared.. they like to say they are but the reality is somewhere around the dunning-krueger-esc "we are prepared" to "were working on it".
The problem here is its all simulations, nothing real. The last real nuke test for emp was just before the airburst treaty went into effect and the blast pegged all the measuring equipment.
We don't know what we don't know. Be prepared for life without...
Thanks for the clarification. My prior experience was some exposure to the Teledesic project, operating with an antenna footprint of 700 km2. These footprints move along at orbital speed (~7.8 km/sec for low Earth orbit), so dwell times are probably measured in a matter of a few minutes at most. There will be considerable packet switching to connect with a ground terminal.
I looked up Starlink to get some sense of the downlink distribution and support and it is pretty amazing. A complete terminal is priced to be available to commercial or industrial entities. A lesser capability is potentially available to those who can afford it, so links direct to user may not be far off at all. It was a quick scan of a long article, but it seems that the system relies on wifi for the final path to the end user, instead of landline.
The government apparently issued a response strategy in 2018, so, yeah, they're "working on it."
Were you thinking of the Starfish Prime test in 1962? There is plenty of theoretical dissection of what happened, based also on a similar Soviet test that same year. Underground tests still provided data on nuclear detonations, and we've also learned more about the structure of the upper atmosphere since then.
Yea the whole fishbowl project really. From the models devised from those experiments they have extrapolated what "could or should" happen regarding emp, but its all just models.
I tend to think that the starlink satellites would be greatly affected as well. In private discussion with starlink design engineers they give zero confidence in survivability of the local constellation above a blast.
Because there be a storm abrewin'.
Let's hope it's more than someone pissing off a roof!!
If you are doubting this, you need to go to this web site and view a number of their videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/videos This answer is you better believe it. Not only the internet but the entire electrical grid. The earths magnetic field is weakened by about 25% and getting weaker, which means there is less protection from corona mass ejections and solar wind in general. This is exacerbated by the polar shift. These CME's send charged particles that "attack" the electrical grid; think of energy spike. Even before the magnetic field weakening, CME's would cause energy spikes that kill transformers. Now, the effect is even more serious. Electronics will be affected also. Communication will be lost with a significant CME. This has happened before in 1859; https://earthsky.org/human-world/carrington-event-1859-solar-storm-effects-today/#:~:text=Note%3A%20Earth%20to%20scale%2C%20but,use%2C%20such%20as%20the%20telegraph. All this effect will continue to get worse during solar cycle 25, and peak in cycle 26 over next 25 years. This is NOT climate change; it is truly catastrophism.
^^^^^ this^^^^^ for realz...
Q Post 282 I have a question: The 10 DAYS, darkness.. when?
Shutdown. Q 2615 Dec 12, 2018 6:54:13 PM EST Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 089200 No. 4280699 Dec 12, 2018 6:52:39 PM EST Anonymous ID: 5c3172 No. 4280617 Q - Should we be prepping for some kind of SHUTDOWN?
DVIPQMuWsAEGyfZ.jpg
Christian ? Christian Ring ?
I thought the whole idea of the internet was to be a resilient system, something that could withstand all kinds of damage and still find a way through?
It depends how much is down.. it can reroute, but at some point it's gonna narrow down to a datacenter data connection.. no matter how big, it still a localized site.. not all sites have regional hot backups..
Agreed. The Internet is very resilient but individual ISPs or telephone exchanges not so much.
Could this be necessary to shut down black hat systems and then restart minus them in a week or two?
10 days maybe?