"trust the science" was a mantra that was an inversion of the truth, because the science actually NEVER supported ANY of the covid and climate nonsense (by which I mean the responses: lockdowns, masks, vax, etc). It was all propaganda, and the actual science was buried and defamed, overridden and drowned out.
I'd say that "trust science" is very, very different in nature to "trust the Science", one being practical, empirically supported attitude, and the other a slogan for ignoring actual science by adhering to propaganda.
No. They told us BigBang and 13.8 bn years now they don't know. Not sure what you read but on global waring (now down graded to climate change) we were assured 95% of more, I forget the exact number, of scientists agreed it is all man made and 'the science is settled'! They said here have this statin it will save you from heart attack now they find stains are causing more health issues so swap to this 'miracle pill'. MMR is totally safe yet I have a vaccine damaged autistic son to prove it wasn't. So no I dont trust any scientist they receive funds from organisations who have an agenda and wow they produce the science to support it!
But you make my point. The science here is not the issue. It's the establishment and propaganda.
The so-called "95% of all scientists" thing was a scam from the start.
I never said to trust any scientist. But science itself is an approach and a methodology that has value. Not all scientists are sell outs.
Also, the "trust the science" line is fake. Science does NOT work based on consensus = right.
If you are asking and questioning, that's good and that, believe it or not, is science. Believing in things because you are told them is not science.
At the same time, there are many limits to what science can do. Intellect is not the know all and end all. But, for example, the science that refutes the Climate Change agenda and propaganda is relevant and important, BECAUSE it refutes it.
I'm very sorry about your son. That's a hard blow. Sadly, many of us did trust what we were told, and many like your son have paid the price.
So how do we know which 'scientist's science' might be true?
Since their argument is only the scientists know about the science because it is far to complex for us ordinary mortals to understand! This is the problem we face today, particularly when so many expensive/wrong/bad decisions are based on so called 'settled science'.
The term 'scientist' is far to widely used, and the reality is in their community there is specialisms and arguments within specialisms.
Science is now the new religion used to beat us all into submission! [not]
Thanks for your comments - I look forward to the day when the MMR/Autism lie is finally exposed, and something can start to be done for the millions of young and not so young people can be at least in part compensated for the loss of their lives. The care package for our son costs £250,000 pa.
Not wanting to be ungentle, but I think you are (perhaps understandably) very focused on (them), as if (they) are everything and all. Which is of course the image and mindset they wish to present, but its just not true. (IMO).
How do we know which scientist's science might be true?
Well, this is the point. If you review, look in to and understand the actual science, then what is true becomes clear. But if you are purely relying on what you are being told by 'authority', well, that's a problem.
In such cases, a healthy skepticism is both warranted AND useful. We are quite right to be skeptical, and actually suspicious, of the Establishment - the milieu of government - corporations - institutions - media that dominate so much of our world in the present time. And more and more of the falseness of their image and regime is being exposed and understood by more and more people. The Covid attempt woke up SO many people to the reality of the situation.
We're in a painful process. Waking up from a trance and matrix dream is painful. But that process is underway. A long way to go, but we are already miles and miles ahead of where we were 5 or 7 years ago.
Since their argument is only the scientists know about the science because it is far to complex for us ordinary mortals to understand!
Well, yeah, 'their' argument. I reiterate, that's the propaganda and dare I say mainstream media talking. But people who actually know and understand science know that it's bullshite.
The term 'scientist' is far to widely used,
You are reiterating my main points again and again. There is spin, and there is actual science. Just because someone says "this is science!" doesn't make it so, right? Obviously.
Science is now the new religion used to beat us all into submission! [not]
Well, I prefer the idea that Bannon on the Warroom was talking about a year or two ago, during this pandemic scam. They would draw the distinction between science (which is a discipline and approach that properly acknowledges its limitations and automatically seeks to test its ideas and disprove or prove them, without prejudice) and "scientism', which is a pseudo-religion, in which 'authority' determines what is 'true', where 'the consensus' (fabricated or not) is evidence of what is supposedly true and acceptable (whereas in fact in science, the truth is never decided by consensus, but by data and facts), and where "trust the science" is a mantra to get the sleeping masses to walk along in a trance and accept the malignant control of the govt/corp/institutional/media dictatorship.
To me, this distinction is really important. Already knowing that the scandemic was super dodgy when it began, because of the Q operation and also already primed, as an anon, to seek out alternative and often maligned sources of information, I tuned in to many of the related topics where the actual science flat out contradicted the Scientism.
Masks are just one example. Study after study and decades of experience by professionals showed very clearly that the use of masks did nothing and were in fact detrimental with relation to everyday use re: whatever Covid was. Facts, evidence, reinforced over multiple instances. But all of that was pushed aside by the propaganda media machine and the slave governments.
In the absence of understanding actual science, healthy skepticism and suspicion of those 'authorities' is the correct way to go, I would say. But throwing out science because of Scientism is a baby with the bathwater situation, imo.
Regardless, the above is simply my view and thoughts, shared in the interest of articulating the ideas, but if we disagree, I'm certainly OK with that.
However, I can barely imagine the heartache and difficulty you and your family have suffered (and are probably suffering) at the hands of the evil that has ruled so much of that govt/corp/institution/media complex. I hope you have support resources in terms of community, faith and love to assist you in this course.
Thank you for being here and being part of the ongoing solution to the global pandemic of lies and hate.
"trust the science" was a mantra that was an inversion of the truth, because the science actually NEVER supported ANY of the covid and climate nonsense (by which I mean the responses: lockdowns, masks, vax, etc). It was all propaganda, and the actual science was buried and defamed, overridden and drowned out.
I'd say that "trust science" is very, very different in nature to "trust the Science", one being practical, empirically supported attitude, and the other a slogan for ignoring actual science by adhering to propaganda.
Don't you think?
Trust the Soyence
My favorite was "Trust the Seance!"
... or the soylents.
No. They told us BigBang and 13.8 bn years now they don't know. Not sure what you read but on global waring (now down graded to climate change) we were assured 95% of more, I forget the exact number, of scientists agreed it is all man made and 'the science is settled'! They said here have this statin it will save you from heart attack now they find stains are causing more health issues so swap to this 'miracle pill'. MMR is totally safe yet I have a vaccine damaged autistic son to prove it wasn't. So no I dont trust any scientist they receive funds from organisations who have an agenda and wow they produce the science to support it!
I would say that anyone taking money from entities who have a stake or agenda in said science is NOT a scientist.
But you make my point. The science here is not the issue. It's the establishment and propaganda.
The so-called "95% of all scientists" thing was a scam from the start.
I never said to trust any scientist. But science itself is an approach and a methodology that has value. Not all scientists are sell outs.
Also, the "trust the science" line is fake. Science does NOT work based on consensus = right.
If you are asking and questioning, that's good and that, believe it or not, is science. Believing in things because you are told them is not science.
At the same time, there are many limits to what science can do. Intellect is not the know all and end all. But, for example, the science that refutes the Climate Change agenda and propaganda is relevant and important, BECAUSE it refutes it.
I'm very sorry about your son. That's a hard blow. Sadly, many of us did trust what we were told, and many like your son have paid the price.
So how do we know which 'scientist's science' might be true?
Since their argument is only the scientists know about the science because it is far to complex for us ordinary mortals to understand! This is the problem we face today, particularly when so many expensive/wrong/bad decisions are based on so called 'settled science'.
The term 'scientist' is far to widely used, and the reality is in their community there is specialisms and arguments within specialisms.
Science is now the new religion used to beat us all into submission! [not]
Thanks for your comments - I look forward to the day when the MMR/Autism lie is finally exposed, and something can start to be done for the millions of young and not so young people can be at least in part compensated for the loss of their lives. The care package for our son costs £250,000 pa.
Not wanting to be ungentle, but I think you are (perhaps understandably) very focused on (them), as if (they) are everything and all. Which is of course the image and mindset they wish to present, but its just not true. (IMO).
Well, this is the point. If you review, look in to and understand the actual science, then what is true becomes clear. But if you are purely relying on what you are being told by 'authority', well, that's a problem.
In such cases, a healthy skepticism is both warranted AND useful. We are quite right to be skeptical, and actually suspicious, of the Establishment - the milieu of government - corporations - institutions - media that dominate so much of our world in the present time. And more and more of the falseness of their image and regime is being exposed and understood by more and more people. The Covid attempt woke up SO many people to the reality of the situation.
We're in a painful process. Waking up from a trance and matrix dream is painful. But that process is underway. A long way to go, but we are already miles and miles ahead of where we were 5 or 7 years ago.
Well, yeah, 'their' argument. I reiterate, that's the propaganda and dare I say mainstream media talking. But people who actually know and understand science know that it's bullshite.
You are reiterating my main points again and again. There is spin, and there is actual science. Just because someone says "this is science!" doesn't make it so, right? Obviously.
Well, I prefer the idea that Bannon on the Warroom was talking about a year or two ago, during this pandemic scam. They would draw the distinction between science (which is a discipline and approach that properly acknowledges its limitations and automatically seeks to test its ideas and disprove or prove them, without prejudice) and "scientism', which is a pseudo-religion, in which 'authority' determines what is 'true', where 'the consensus' (fabricated or not) is evidence of what is supposedly true and acceptable (whereas in fact in science, the truth is never decided by consensus, but by data and facts), and where "trust the science" is a mantra to get the sleeping masses to walk along in a trance and accept the malignant control of the govt/corp/institutional/media dictatorship.
To me, this distinction is really important. Already knowing that the scandemic was super dodgy when it began, because of the Q operation and also already primed, as an anon, to seek out alternative and often maligned sources of information, I tuned in to many of the related topics where the actual science flat out contradicted the Scientism.
Masks are just one example. Study after study and decades of experience by professionals showed very clearly that the use of masks did nothing and were in fact detrimental with relation to everyday use re: whatever Covid was. Facts, evidence, reinforced over multiple instances. But all of that was pushed aside by the propaganda media machine and the slave governments.
In the absence of understanding actual science, healthy skepticism and suspicion of those 'authorities' is the correct way to go, I would say. But throwing out science because of Scientism is a baby with the bathwater situation, imo.
Regardless, the above is simply my view and thoughts, shared in the interest of articulating the ideas, but if we disagree, I'm certainly OK with that.
However, I can barely imagine the heartache and difficulty you and your family have suffered (and are probably suffering) at the hands of the evil that has ruled so much of that govt/corp/institution/media complex. I hope you have support resources in terms of community, faith and love to assist you in this course.
Thank you for being here and being part of the ongoing solution to the global pandemic of lies and hate.