I'm not going to get into how this guy is confusing KWh and KW. But I am curious around people's pure hate around EVs. We have a Tesla. We charge it off of the same solar that powers our house. My wive drives it work and back. It's free. We have a Tahoe we use for extended trips.
EV range will only get better. Batteries will only get better. Solar Panels will only get better (the last 10 years has been INSANE gains) You can have all of the free energy you want from the sun (my neighbor has a small wind turbine but wishes he would have spent that money on more panel). This is freedom. I have no electricity bill. The grid goes down, I don't notice.
Weirdly, whenever I nerd out with someone on Solar/EV Setups they end up being lib eco-warrior-wannabes, because for some reason, folks on the right do not seem to understand the pure freedom it provides.
EV culture has been associated with leftists and liberals in the same way that NASCAR and pickup trucks are associated with the right and conservatives. Hate for EVs here is an attempt to own the libs but never has any real technical merit.
Finally, a reasonable post on this topic. It amazes me all the hate for EVs on this site. I don't know about other brands, but Teslas are amazing vehicles to have as long as you can charge from home. We drove over 26,000 miles the past 12 months and paid $447. Compare that to any gas vehicle or even a hybrid.
It's a great feeling waking up every morning to a fully charged car. No wasted time going to gas stations. We get home, plug it in, and repeat the next day. So easy.
I couldn't care less about the environment, and have no delusions that most of the electricity we use is coming from coal. I just know it's saving us money, time, and hassle.
Go Trump and FJB, just so nobody thinks I'm a troll.
Yeah people complain about range, but most folks are just driving around their town, maybe 100 miles a day if that? I live near a smallish 600k sized midwestern city, and I could drive all over that town all day and maybe get to 50%. I like to tow a camper so we still have something capable of that, but if you're just commuting to work it's SO much cheaper.
Yep.. and what did the charger and install cost you? More than $447, I assume.
That's the great thing about EVs, it makes the costs so abstract, people literally just forget about them. Or they take subsidies and are really proud of it for some reason.
Charger cost $500. I did the installation myself. So even with that, it's still much cheaper than gas. Of course you neglected to respond about the conveniences and time savings.
26000 miles at 40 mpg is 650 gallons at $3.199/gallon is $2,079 in fuel costs. That's all using estimates most favorable to your argument. You haven't saved anything significant.
You've ignored the inconvenience of being unable to travel with your vehicle without spending much more time than I would. For your exceptionally narrow use case it has so far worked for you. This is why people hate EVs, because EV owners act like no one else uses their car differently than they do, or they haven't had to repair their vehicle yet.
And time savings? Fuel pumps operate at 10 gallons per minute. How much time were you actually spending putting fuel in your vehicle? Yet you did the installation of the charger yourself. You must have an exceptional difficulty in placing the correct value on your own time.
Which is all fine.. but pretending that "you don't get why people hate EVs" is shallow and made me want to respond.
To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0
It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." Prove me wrong
I'm not going to get into how this guy is confusing KWh and KW. But I am curious around people's pure hate around EVs. We have a Tesla. We charge it off of the same solar that powers our house. My wive drives it work and back. It's free. We have a Tahoe we use for extended trips.
EV range will only get better. Batteries will only get better. Solar Panels will only get better (the last 10 years has been INSANE gains) You can have all of the free energy you want from the sun (my neighbor has a small wind turbine but wishes he would have spent that money on more panel). This is freedom. I have no electricity bill. The grid goes down, I don't notice.
Weirdly, whenever I nerd out with someone on Solar/EV Setups they end up being lib eco-warrior-wannabes, because for some reason, folks on the right do not seem to understand the pure freedom it provides.
EV culture has been associated with leftists and liberals in the same way that NASCAR and pickup trucks are associated with the right and conservatives. Hate for EVs here is an attempt to own the libs but never has any real technical merit.
I appreciate your posts on this topic. Apparently I need to do more research on this.
Finally, a reasonable post on this topic. It amazes me all the hate for EVs on this site. I don't know about other brands, but Teslas are amazing vehicles to have as long as you can charge from home. We drove over 26,000 miles the past 12 months and paid $447. Compare that to any gas vehicle or even a hybrid.
It's a great feeling waking up every morning to a fully charged car. No wasted time going to gas stations. We get home, plug it in, and repeat the next day. So easy.
I couldn't care less about the environment, and have no delusions that most of the electricity we use is coming from coal. I just know it's saving us money, time, and hassle.
Go Trump and FJB, just so nobody thinks I'm a troll.
Yeah people complain about range, but most folks are just driving around their town, maybe 100 miles a day if that? I live near a smallish 600k sized midwestern city, and I could drive all over that town all day and maybe get to 50%. I like to tow a camper so we still have something capable of that, but if you're just commuting to work it's SO much cheaper.
Yep.. and what did the charger and install cost you? More than $447, I assume.
That's the great thing about EVs, it makes the costs so abstract, people literally just forget about them. Or they take subsidies and are really proud of it for some reason.
Charger cost $500. I did the installation myself. So even with that, it's still much cheaper than gas. Of course you neglected to respond about the conveniences and time savings.
26000 miles at 40 mpg is 650 gallons at $3.199/gallon is $2,079 in fuel costs. That's all using estimates most favorable to your argument. You haven't saved anything significant.
You've ignored the inconvenience of being unable to travel with your vehicle without spending much more time than I would. For your exceptionally narrow use case it has so far worked for you. This is why people hate EVs, because EV owners act like no one else uses their car differently than they do, or they haven't had to repair their vehicle yet.
And time savings? Fuel pumps operate at 10 gallons per minute. How much time were you actually spending putting fuel in your vehicle? Yet you did the installation of the charger yourself. You must have an exceptional difficulty in placing the correct value on your own time.
Which is all fine.. but pretending that "you don't get why people hate EVs" is shallow and made me want to respond.
To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0 It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." Prove me wrong
What am I supposed to prove you wrong about?