The boy is here now and he deserves all the dignity a human is owed as commanded by God. How he came to be is immoral, like a child born out of wedlock was conceived immorally.
God bless you and your boy. I hope you will repent for using IVF to immorally create life. You are not OWED a child. God did not open your womb so you forced the matter in the face of God’s plan for you. That has no bearing on the child himself who did nothing wrong and deserves zero condemnation. It is you who did something wrong.
The way I see it God created everything we used for IVF. We had very limited embryos and we used every one that we had. Our son was our last chance. Take your Holier than Thou argument and pack sand.
I recently witnessed someone making a similar argument about tattoos, trying to point out the biblical basis for not having them, while also not realizing that there were people with arm sleeves in the room as he did so.
It is very difficult to apply the discouragement of the act, separate it from the outcomes, and simply encourage to not advocate or continue in the act, all without coming off as holier-than-thou, which the man speaking to you failed at quite considerably.
The verse denouncing HIS actions is 1 Corinthians 13:1.
If I speak with the languages of men and of angels, but don't have love, I have become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
It is easy to fall into that.
Knowing others, also with beautiful children conceived through IVF, it is a delicate subject. We can also separate the outcomes from our dispassionate testing of the act itself, as we know very well that the ends do not necessarily justify the means, and it is the means that should be considered here. If multiple embryos are fertilized as part of IVF, and the divine spark occurs at fertilization, and multiple fertilized embryos are destroyed later, it is worth thinking about what might actually be taking place, while also looking into what sorts of decisions and social patterns result in the need for this procedure, whether it is correct or errant, as in either path it does contain health risks and severe expenses that could better be used elsewhere. Many IVF patients likely never considered this aspect of discarded, fertilized embryos, and the doctors probably don’t bring it up…
What’s most important is that we discern the truth and always seek to repent of any failures and walk in it, whatever it may be. Don’t let them affect the opinion of the past or present, but only of constructive, righteous thought and decisions moving forward, in the same way Jesus instructed the woman he saved from being stoned. “Neither do I condemn you.”
Firepit, an unusual name for someone seeking holiness, would do well to learn from that example. I have tried to allow the grace for his actions here as well, while also pointing out his failure. Hopefully this comment is more appropriate toward all involved. I felt his comment had to be corrected in its tone, rather than left standing.
IVF is immoral
https://popepaulvi.com/PDF/Newsletter-FCYoungWomen/FCCO-Newsletter_V4n1_Issue10.pdf
Ok. I'll remember that when I watch my son all cozy sleeping in bed at night.
His existence doesn’t make IVF moral.
The boy is here now and he deserves all the dignity a human is owed as commanded by God. How he came to be is immoral, like a child born out of wedlock was conceived immorally.
God bless you and your boy. I hope you will repent for using IVF to immorally create life. You are not OWED a child. God did not open your womb so you forced the matter in the face of God’s plan for you. That has no bearing on the child himself who did nothing wrong and deserves zero condemnation. It is you who did something wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyvoaJaTlPE&t=790s
The way I see it God created everything we used for IVF. We had very limited embryos and we used every one that we had. Our son was our last chance. Take your Holier than Thou argument and pack sand.
I recently witnessed someone making a similar argument about tattoos, trying to point out the biblical basis for not having them, while also not realizing that there were people with arm sleeves in the room as he did so.
It is very difficult to apply the discouragement of the act, separate it from the outcomes, and simply encourage to not advocate or continue in the act, all without coming off as holier-than-thou, which the man speaking to you failed at quite considerably.
The verse denouncing HIS actions is 1 Corinthians 13:1.
It is easy to fall into that.
Knowing others, also with beautiful children conceived through IVF, it is a delicate subject. We can also separate the outcomes from our dispassionate testing of the act itself, as we know very well that the ends do not necessarily justify the means, and it is the means that should be considered here. If multiple embryos are fertilized as part of IVF, and the divine spark occurs at fertilization, and multiple fertilized embryos are destroyed later, it is worth thinking about what might actually be taking place, while also looking into what sorts of decisions and social patterns result in the need for this procedure, whether it is correct or errant, as in either path it does contain health risks and severe expenses that could better be used elsewhere. Many IVF patients likely never considered this aspect of discarded, fertilized embryos, and the doctors probably don’t bring it up…
What’s most important is that we discern the truth and always seek to repent of any failures and walk in it, whatever it may be. Don’t let them affect the opinion of the past or present, but only of constructive, righteous thought and decisions moving forward, in the same way Jesus instructed the woman he saved from being stoned. “Neither do I condemn you.”
Firepit, an unusual name for someone seeking holiness, would do well to learn from that example. I have tried to allow the grace for his actions here as well, while also pointing out his failure. Hopefully this comment is more appropriate toward all involved. I felt his comment had to be corrected in its tone, rather than left standing.
You were warned.