OP: https://greatawakening.win/p/17si5DasgU/millennial-reign-and-the-changin/c/
I was going to make a comment but it got too long. The meat of this post is below:
There is a common theme among history-oriented anons:
Our history is unequivocally and 100% incorrect before the 1800s, and nearly entirely falsified or embellished in more recent times.
This is not the same as a nihilist view of history (the past is an illusion), nor is it a zero-point view of history (nothing happened before the present moment, but the future can be known)
Currently, there are several prevailing theories among the "history skeptics." I won't go into all of them, just the ones I find interesting.
1. Phantom Time
This might be the most popular one on GAW, as approximately 1000 years of European history was falsified and inserted into the historical record, supposedly to prove the Catholic Church was the long-standing bastion of God. Whether or not it is true, it does make sense. To modern eyes, a war lasting more than 40 years is preposterous, yet that was commonplace in the Phantom years (from the fall of Rome to the beginning of the Renaissance). Furthermore, technological innovation progressed at an unreasonably slow pace, and all of Europe was portrayed as a feudal society of church-going serfs ruled by Catholic clergy and nobility who may or may not have been supporting the reigning Pope at any given moment.
Makes sense? Sorta, at least to some anons. There is a nugget of truth in this theory, however, as the Catholic-run monasteries tend to be our only source of history from this era, and the Vatican had the same agenda they do today.
2. Antediluvian Civilizations - Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu
This is most popular among the New Age adherents, since it is a mostly ethereal and multidimensional historical narrative. Spanning at least 400,000 years back into the past, it provides a strange yet somewhat charming alternative to the history we are taught.
You see, the story begins with an advanced alien species that is orders of magnitude more technologically advanced and of a much higher vibrational energy (I don't care to explain this part...) decided to land on this barren ball of rock around this fairly stable main-sequence star and seeded a "Living Library" (their term for an enormously rich and diverse ecosystem governed by a sequential genetic system, i.e DNA). From this they created mankind, which initially lived with the aliens as a servile species in the civilization of Mu.
Eventually, a hostile alien race sent a rogue planet into the Earth and wiped out all life for about 300,000 years. Somehow, the resident aliens survived and rebuilt the Living Library like new, and then created Lemuria, which supposedly persisted in the modern-day Himalayan-Indonesian region for about 80,000 years.
Around 40,000 years ago, the humans, having become largely independent and beginning to reach the technological level of their progenitors, created a new civilization somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean on a now-lost plateau (maybe the Azores). You guessed it! They called it Atlantis!
Anyway, so then around 20,000 years ago the two civilizations decided to nuke it out and wiped out 99% of humanity and the aliens lost interest and either went home, went underground or went to the depths of the oceans to spy on us.
Yeah, definitely more schizo, but also definitely way cooler than our 6-8 thousand year history.
3. Pre-Younger Dryas Civilization
This is not Tartaria, but it apparently overlaps quite a bit. This is mostly based on the research and discoveries of Randall Carlson.
Basically, it surmises that an advanced civilization that utilized the earth's natural magnetic energy existed on a global scale (evidenced by pyramids and "ley lines" that cross the globe in strangely familiar geometric patterns). They were wiped out when a comet struck the North American ice sheet, melting about 800,000 cubic miles of water in about 6 hours, that proceeded to inundate the entirety of North America with water flows second only to the flood that filled the Mediterranean at the end of the Messinian Salinity Crisis.
This civilization is apparently responsible to giving the Inca the tech and tools needed to construct megalithic temples on the top of the Andes plateau, as well as building the Pyramids and even quarrying and moving the Sphinx as a solid 1800-ton block of granite.
This civilization was probably based in North America, given there is virtually no archaeological evidence left, and the only real evidence is the similarity of pyramids and other megaliths around the world, which could be explained in other ways too. Kinda neat imo.
4. Great Tartaria - The Mudflood
This theory poses the question, "how did we build massive stone structures without power tools or cranes?" against a backdrop of dozens of stone behemoths all over the world that seem out of place or downright impossible to build even with modern technology.
In a similar vein to the moon landing theories, its basic premise is "why could we build <insert massive stone building> in 1800 but we couldn't replicate it today if it collapsed suddenly?"
Tartaria is supposedly the advanced civilization that produced these, evidenced by old maps that show "Great Tartaria" over much of Central Eurasia. It was often posed alongside "Khazaria/Khazary", which it seemed to be in perpetual war with. However, like most hypotheses, it does nothing to explain other facets of history that would make no sense if Tartaria existed (such as the Mongols invading Romania from Ukraine, which is all but conclusively proven)
Whether or not this is a Russian propaganda stunt to make Western autists goon over "a Great Heartland Empire" remains to be seen.
5. The End of the Millennial Reign of Christ
This is a highly fascinating and complicated topic to discuss, since it is purely conjectural but it does explain the situation we are in.
Think about it. If we were already past the Millennial Reign, and Satan was given control of Earth once more, wouldn't Lucifer have falsified and scrubbed history to make us forget the 1000 years of infinite peace, joy, and prosperity?
This now perfectly explains the Q operation. If the Battle of Armageddon is already thousands+ years in the past, then WE are the Storm, not just God and His Legions.
If God already Defeated Satan, then the task is ours this time. If God can do it, He will surely guide us and teach us to do it. This is why a worldwide web of prayer is so important. Keeping the faith even when things seem desolate, that is the mark of a worshipper of Christ. There can be no Mark of the Beast since the Beast was defeated. Instead of the Beast of Revelation, we have a clowning knockoff called MrBeast! I love this narrative since it firstly ties us to God, then attempts to explain why things are the way they are. God still moves, but Satan has a strong grip on Earth. This much is understood:
It is up to us to declare independence from Satan and throw off those shackles just like we did to England.
Now, is this one right? It might be, it might not be, but I like it the most since it puts God's plan at the center of the mystery.
I can see how 1, 4, and 5 go together. So what if this Tartaria was actually the millenial reign. (Tartaria is just what others call it and claim it to be something else). These advance structures were build under the guidance of Christ for peace. Kind of like how the fallen angels gave knowledge to the nations to build the pyramids, but now the power was being used for good rather than oppression like it was in the OT. I think I read somewhere the giant cathedrals and buildings acted like giant energy centers (why they have the large tower structures) that provided free energy and technology that was governed for good. Maybe that’s how Tesla got his blueprints (there is nothing new under the sun!). Of course I don’t know if that is really true, but it’s really interesting to think about! So then when that time came to an end and satan was released , his way to deceive was to rewrite that entire period (enter theory #1). Which is what is known to us now as the “dark ages”. We are told everything will be backwards and upside down. And funny enough, what came next, the “enlightenment” period. Light…Lucifer. That’s when science really took over, the heliocentric earth, evolution, advancement of medicine ect. So as we got thrown into the dark, the truth is blacked out, and we are calling it the enlightenment period. Wasn’t the Illuminati also formed around that time as well? Everything has been in decline. Our buildings don’t compare, the food, medicine, water, and air are almost all poison, and we are in the screen era-an even stronger way to be deceived. It’s all been designed to keep us dumb and complacent. Those still sleeping are like walking zombies hypnotized to attack anything that questions the narrative. So now, what if we are more toward the end of satan’s short period? Why now so many people are awakening? Is our awakening causing satan’s time to come to a final end? It ties a lot of things together with the timeline we are witnessing today. Thanks for putting this all together. I’m new to all these theories and still learning and piecing it together.
Dang you conspiracy theorizing about conspiracy theories! SuperAnon!
Hahaha 😂 did I just unlock tin foil hat status?
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Never seen anything remotely convincing about this. The only solid argument seems to be the fact that we cannot explain why technological innovation progressed so slowly for almost 1700 years, but then progressed so rapidly.
Let me explain it. Its pretty easy actually. The reason why there was a leap in tech progress after 1700 was because of the creation of Bank of England and the insertion of "magic money" to control people. The Fed and the extreme bubble we find ourselves today originated from this point.
Without the magic money, the progress of humanity would have been organic, slow and at a rate that would not cause the kinds of upheavals we are seeing in our society today.
Other than this point, what kind of evidence do you have to suggest Phantom Time? We can see that the last 2000 years can be accounted fully if you look at the history of other civilizations, specifically Indian empires.
I agree with you that central banking was a factor, but I don't think it was the most important factor.
Western Civilization, including Science, free speech, freedom GENERALLY in the US especially, property rights, Christianity's push towards "love thy neighbor" as opposed to any alternative stance (hate thy neighbor? fear thy neighbor? fight thy neighbor? Steal from thy neighbor? etc) -- all of this combined with the already long-accelerating accretion of knowledge is even more important for the Big Leap we've seen since Colonial days. Rome and plenty of other places had economic bubbles and fiat currencies (albeit not as dramatic as the digital variety that became possible in the 20th century) without such dramatic improvements in technology.
I don't have evidence, I just know that its a fairly popular theory, and I know people here have mentioned and even discussed it at length. It actually got banned in c/Conspiracies so you know there must be some truth to it lmfao.
I could also mean the theory is really dumb 🤣
well they banned flat earth but then unbanned so certain spammers could still spam
FE is definitely a Clown disinfo. This whole "phantom time" is probably the same.
Any opinions on the other 4?
2 & 3 are both variations of advanced Civilizations predating our own. I personally believe there was / were advanced Civilizations before us. Its hard to know what kind of civilization it was and whether it was alien in origin.
Almost all the ancient texts hints towards aliens visiting planet earth. Bible itself makes a lot of sense if we look at old testament as a historical document of our contact with the space aliens. Only notable opponent of this notion (and he did this very vocally) is Bill Cooper.
Tartaria always smelt like a disinfo because of the way they try to stretch things to fit this theory. Usually I hear Tartaria in conjunction with the Phantom time and not w.r.t to Great Pyramids etc which can be explained by many alternate theories (such as alien contact, past civilizations, hidden technology etc)
I dont know much about the Millenial Reign so I cannot comment.
Can i get some sauce real quick on Bill Cooper? Thanks!
I think that, if anything, these are excellent thought experiments. "What if" the established narrative is not only wrong, but wildly, morbidly, and maliciously wrong?
One nice theory is that “Aliens” were and are actually demons. Another is that the mythological gods were also real, and also demons - would explain why they only operated in limited regions and were known to go to war with each other.
Have also heard a few claims that a few different popes changed the time - one is known from the switch from Julian time to Gregorian time, but was only a few days, the other is that there was a pope who wanted to be pope in 1000 AD so he could be the messiah, so he just changed the year. Not as much evidence for that one.
The Man of Lawlessness2 Thess. 2 2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Can you expand with your own words on what you are getting at please.
If you eliminate the The tribulation ,The revealing of the Anti-christ & The Revelation of Jesus Christ then the Millennium is meaningless. In this time people would rather believe anything/myth/ fantasy than the truth therefore this prophecy will be fulfilled.
How does this thought remove any of that?
It's not saying it didn't happen rather it was covered up. So can you explain how that would make the other things meaningless please fren. Thanks
The Bible Gen. 1-11 reveals the events from the beginning of history to the time of Abraham, appox. 2000 yrs as follows The beginning of the universe, Adam & Eve , the corruption of the human race by the fallen angels, not aliens, the global flood, the Tower of Babel The 'Rebellion' under Nimrod, the dispersion of the human race with different languages, to the time of Abraham. These other 'theories' are false, which many are more comfortable with than the truth. We need more 'Apologist here.
I'm confused why you are bringing these topics up. No one is disputing these things.
What 2 theories are you saying arent true.
Apologetics is awesome. I love that kinda stuff. I'm also ok exploring things outside my current view, that's how we grow. You almost seem offended to even talk about this stuff, which I would ask why. maybe we have a misunderstanding about what the topic at hand is.
God bless you fren. Much love
I'm not angry, just disappointed that anons would even entertain unscriptural theories mentioned in the articles. If you know the truth why entertain that which false unless you exercising your Apologetic skills. As soon as I read the 5 points, I knew they were false. No offense taken or meant.
In what way does this thought go against scripture. Number 5 is the main one that got the whole discussion started. The other 4 are OP simply sharing common held beliefs.
I think Jesus is more then fine with us exploring revelation and talking about what it means. No one is saying scripture isn't truth. Rather the discussion is about when it happens. I honestly don't even know why you are disappointed. We are having honest dialogue and it feels like you just wanna be like I am right you are wrong, how dare you say xyz.
In truth no one knows for certain how revelation plays out. Everyone is simply using some form of scripture to say...this is the way. So by all means feel free to share how you see it playing out but please stop belittling me as if this discussion alone is me dishonoring Christ.
Honestly I think we have a miscommunication about what is even being said fren
Love you fren.
Let me ask you this. how does revelation play out in your view? How does it tie into the current Great awakening going on? And the whole Q movement
Expository-level verse dump but devotion-level analysis lol
What a fabulous post!
I appreciated the just-right level of detail on those several theories, and enjoyed your intelligent, open-minded-yet-skeptical, good-natured commentary. A great read, StormzAComing.
Wow brother great response. I appreciate you taking the time to share this. :)
I'm all in for no. 5. I have lots of thoughts, but will just add, the Millennial of the reign may be over but His Kingdom is not, we just don't know where it is. Also Satan was not loosed to have power over the known world, it's a season of deception. All he had to do was create enough chaos and confusion and misery so that people forgot who they were and what had happened. Having seen the covid debacle, it's not that difficult to see how masses of people can be deceived.
now imagine that stretched over thousands of years.
Hey u/StormzAComing - thanks for sharing this, in a manner more concise than I would put together using actual evidence. I'm in full agreement with you in that I believe Jesus Christ already had his reign here on earth (and it isn't the shape that NASA tells us it is, which is in-line with KJV scripture), so #5 point I can get behind entirely.
Since finding Q and seeing the work DJT has done in the entirety of his life, the work being done in my own life, I've become a Christian and follower of Jesus. The problem is that Christianity has been very severely subverted by Satan, as Pre-Milliennial, Dispensational theology (as promoted in the Scofield Bible and then swept across America in the late 19th century), as I've been shown in my journey to become a Christian. Christianity, as it's preached today in America especially, is in my mind, a pacifist "religion" and not the Christianity shown in the Bible in OT and NT. Satan doesn't want us to fight back and this is entirely contradictory with nearly all of the OT with the exception of the Torah. As such, Christianity and the American church by and large, is not in line with Christian ethos. Too many Christians believe/unhitch themselves from OT and only like to talk about OT stories when it lines up with Jesus's work. I could go on. I just watched a sermon from a pastor I've come to love about the feminization of the American church as it stands today.
I've also been shown the work the tiny hat crew has perpetrated against humanity in this same timespan and I've struggled greatly with this knowledge because it does contradict scripture to some degree - I'm not convinced that Paul/Saul is quite the guy he says he was because it's all too convenient.
Having said all of that, I've also struggled with Q operation and where humanity is today because again, the Book of Revelation tells us a very different picture. I was shown that Q operation is REAL and HAPPENING before becoming a believer in Christ, so how does this knowledge fit into the equation....? How can things "make sense" in-line with Scripture, when God is real and His-story is real....? The answer is #5 in your OP. It makes so much sense with what we see playing out in the world today.
I really could talk at length about this subject and I haven't heard anybody else talk about these ideas either. They might believe in #5, but they don't see the truth of Q. They might believe in Q, but they aren't a follower of Jesus (even though the majority of conservative America should be). All of the followers of Jesus at my church are fast asleep to what's happening in the world today and if I told them about Q, I'm certain I would be excommunicated. So the lies and deception being perpetrated by Satan could only happen if we are in "the little season" where he was unleashed on the world once again.
This YT covers some of your OP and the timeline deception and I found this at least a year ago and it makes perfect sense (to me). This is part one and part two is just as good - the only exception is that the author believes Roman Catholicism is "the way" which I don't believe in the slightest. Nothing about Catholicism is the way, as it's a man-made religion stood up to be a foil to true Christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbfd3BZ_UAY
edit: added more context
The Catholic church was taken over by the jesuit/masons. The original church was Catholic and Jesus and the resurrected saints were central. They were royalty sent out across the world to rule and reign. They built the cathedrals and churches and train stations etc...... what we see today are a bunch of usurpers, but the buildings are a part of our current heritage.
Well I will say right now that the earth is not flat and you are not reading the passages correctly.
I would like elaboration on the other things you said, though.