Yesterday, someone asked: "Tell me what a "black pill" is...
Red Pill, Blue Pill, Black Pill, White Pill
(H/T to Dr. Zeus)
A black pill builds on the metaphor of the red pill and the blue pill in the film, The Matrix.
The red pill is the one that Neo must take in order to wake up from the Matrix. It carries a tracer program that finds him in the matrix hardware and disrupts his input/output connection. On the other hand, while never fully explained, the blue pill appears to have carried something that will allow Neo to forget what he knows, and to live life oblivious to the falseness of the Matrix.
Metaphorically, the Red Pill represents information that reveals some truth about the facade of lies that the Cabal and Deep State has built in order to keep us, the population, asleep and in trance. The Matrix itself is a metaphor for that Façade of Lies.
The Blue Pill metaphorically represents the fake propaganda information that the Deep State / Cabal disseminates via its propaganda machine, fake information that perpetuates the lies that people must believe in order to ‘not see’ the truth.
In this context, a "Black Pill" is thus a metaphor for information that triggers disbelief, doubt, despair, depressing feelings, discouragement, "dooming" etc. The information inspires the opposite of hope.
If you take a "black pill", it means you are accepting in to your mental framework information that causes loss of hope, loss of vision and loss of positive expectation.
But that "Black Pill" only has power when it is ingested. In other words, it is the attitude and heart with which you engage that information that activates its negative power. For others, the very same information may actually form a "white pill", one that inspires hope and encourages.
There are many "white pills" out there, as there are "black pills", "red pills" and "blue pills". Which pills you take, and which ones you digest and make use of, this is affected in a very big way by your intent and your character.
What Activates the Nature of the Pill (Information)?
What the metaphor of the "pill" shows us is that there is an element of intention that is necessary to activate the power of the information.
Information (pill) + Intent (attitude) = Effect
This is why some people can see X information and ignore it. It has no effect on them, because the intent to see the truth, the desire to find the truth is not there. If the person 'desires' comfort, staying asleep, then they will ignore the information, even if their unconscious mind realizes that they are lying to themselves. Some people will willingly choose a lie if it appears that it will make their lives comfortable.
With others, however, the intent, the desire to see the truth, even if it is painful, is present, and this activates the information and creates the "Red Pill" effect.
So while information is a thing in itself, it is only when it is coupled with the human element – intent or purpose - that it delivers it's effect. So how is the intent that triggers the power of the information activated? How is the effect of Truth triggered?
There is a part in every human being that desires truth, that resonates with truth. Let us call this the Original Human Element, the part of each person that comes from God and is rooted in God's own nature.
Historically, that part of us has been suppressed, oppressed and attacked by another part within us, a part that does not come from God but which derives its origins in the being or cause that Christian belief refers to as "Satan". This part of us is not original; it is foreign. It grows through sinful action, action that contradicts God's nature and which resonates and binds with Satan's nature. It engages with lies and half-truths and is activated by them.
Just as lies have a way of activating the false, foreign satanic element, the Truth has a way of activating this Original Human Element (the original human heart). Thus, the Deep State / Cabal tries to prevent the truth from being spoken about, talked about, shared, because it inherently has the effect of eliciting our original human impulse and inspires us to seek even greater truth.
The War Between Truth and Lies
The war between the Original Human Heart and the corrupted Satanic heart is a historical war, and Truth vs Lies is the nature of the battles.
God works in two ways: from within to trigger and elicit that desire for truth within us, and outside of “me”, to have more and more truth revealed externally. This forms a two-pronged attack: God working within our heart and mind, and Truth working outside our heart and mind, in the form of information and understanding.
By contrast, Evil seeks to set up shop and maintain its stronghold inside, us. Lies are what evil seeks to perpetuate inside, assisted by lies, half-truths, and other 'black pills' outside our heart and mind. So, when we say the information war is a spiritual war, this is what it means. That war is being waged within each and every human being. It is a war between Goodness & Truth on one hand, and Evil & Lies on the other.
The Two-Pronged dimension of the War for Truth
Evil has had the upper hand since the start of our history. That’s what all scriptures (not just the Biblical scripture) teach in some form or other. From this angle, the history of religion, for example, is one record of God's work to increasingly reveal the truth about the spiritual dimension and inner reality, albeit with evil seeking to undermine and corrupt that action. Philosophy and Science is another record, of the truth about the external world (material world) being increasingly revealed, and evil also attacks on this front, as seen to unprecedented levels during the Covid Scandemic.
But step by step, over time, God has increasingly revealed truth in all its forms, and today, the historical "upper hand" that Evil has had is about to collapse. Once people start to wake up to how evil has been running the world, this inherently helps create an environment that is conducive to a greater desire for, and corresponding revealing of, inner and outer truth.
Two Aspects of the Great Awakening
In this sense, the Great Awakening has two complementary aspects. One is the waking up to the mechanisms and systems that evil has been using to rule the world and maintain its control over humanity. The other is an internal waking up, to the inner mechanisms and thought systems within our own hearts that limit us, keep us in a comfort zone, and which limit our capacity to love and be loved.
In other words, from this angle, we could say that there is the external Great Awakening and the internal Great Awakening. One is a waking up to the reality of the world around "me", outside of "me", and the other is a waking up to the reality within "me".
These two aspects are complimentary. They can and should reinforce each other. They naturally do. As any anon knows, it takes internal fortitude and courage to digest certain 'red pills' along the path. Meanwhile, facing ourselves and deeply buried traits, faults, limitations of heart is at least equally as difficult, and often more so. It's often easier to see the evil outside us than it is to see the evil hiding away inside us, in the form of certain lies, untruths about ourselves or others that we hold on to, including the limitations of our hearts and the capacity to love and be loved.
And just a note on that point for fellow believers: Those who have faith are at a distinct advantage in the Great Awakening, but I would encourage all believers to contemplate the idea that Jesus is the START of waking up, not the END. Doctrine, personal or religious, is not the same as the Truth. One might even say that the Bible itself is not The Truth. The Truth is Jesus himself. Jesus is Truth Incarnate.
The Bible is true in the sense that it points us towards, and testifies to, Jesus. Truth then, is not mere knowledge. Ultimately, it is ONLY when we build and develop our capacity for relationship that Truth takes hold. And, ultimately, the basis for all enduring relationship centers on love. Aka our capacity to love unselfishly (including respecting others, having compassion, being just, etc) and receive love, too. That is where Truth truly takes hold within us.
Where Are We Headed?
Seen from this perspective, the overall objective of the Great Awakening is not merely or simply the realization of the Truth. It is a rebuilding and pioneering of the capacity for relationship (love) in the spirit of true freedom.
External freedom will liberate the capacity for us to engage with each other in a world and society not controlled or dominated by the lies of the Cabal. That external engagement may take many different forms: political, economic, social, cultural, academic, etc., and it will be governed by freedom: aka self-governance.
Internal freedom will liberate our capacity to love each other, unselfishly and with pure hearts, as individuals, families, communities, societies and nations.
If you think about the Great Awakening from this angle, I'd say that this constitutes a pretty big WHITE PILL.
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Disclaimer: the ideas shared in this post are not intended to be doctrinal. They are simply one perspective, my own perspective, on the topics being discussed. I encourage frens to take the post in that spirit. If you find disagreement, then let that be, and share your own view. In my view, we find the Truth together, not in isolation.
Just some thoughts on your ideas…
Black pill - white pill: I actually hadn’t heard of a white pill before, but it’s a good analogy for PMA - positive mental attitude, the proverbial glass-half-full attitude (vs glass-half-empty attitude). Like much in life, it’s a matter of perspective and, by-and-large you can choose what perspective you want to adopt.
The ability to rise up, so to speak, to loftier heights (aka what we refer to as the 40k view of the world) helps immensely in this regard. As an example in our current situation, the thought of President Trump being arrested used to send some here into apoplectic fits of rage, but if one considers that he’s protected, to start, and that this had to occur so that past presidents can be arrested for ACTUALLY committing crimes, we’re then able to discern the strategy, seeing the forest vs just the trees.
Removing raw emotion and knee-jerk reaction in order to calmly consider what at first appears to be an offensive concept helps one keep an open mind. In other words, don’t panic and choose doom; stop and THINK about the concept with an open mind.
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Intention: (On that topic of keeping an open mind…) This one, imho, gets a whole lot more complicated than merely calling it a desire to be comfortable. The human psyche is by no means a simple construct and, while there are certain personality traits one is born with, other factors learned over time including fear and ego provide formidable barriers to a person’s ability to embrace a pure intention.
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Good vs Evil, Internal and External Realizations: (There’s so much to delve into here, but I’m fading fast at 3:30am with much to do tomorrow so I’ll look into it again at a later date/time if I have the inclination and opportunity).
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Thank you for an interesting post, anon. I always enjoy the thought-provoking topics and ideas. So much of these kind of topics need to be discussed when considering education in a new, greatly-improved society going forward.
Thank you for the interesting response.
Not sure if it came across, but I was saying that the desire to be comfortable (or avoid discomfort) is a big factor in why some people reject truth and information that challenges that condition. But certainly, that situation, and the psyche altogether, is far more complex than that, and you are right to point that out.
Glad you got something from the post.
Continuing on from last night (technically, earlier this morning), more thoughts…
The War Between Truth and Lies: As I was reading that section over, the concept of Enlightenment became increasingly stronger. The imagery invoked was that of being in darkness with just a small pinpoint of light in the distance. As curious humans, curiosity being another gift from God, we’re naturally drawn to that light. It even feels like truth (if that makes sense) whereas the darkness feels edged with foreboding. The way you stated that it’s God increasing the light is interesting. The Lord is the BRINGER of light and this distinction is important. We’ve not been walking towards that light source as determinedly as we should have been in the past, but God has come closer to us by shining more light into our world. We need to bear in mind the importance of us seeking the truth as we go forward and educate people, youth in particular, if society/humanity is meant to survive these trials.
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Two Aspects of the Great Awakening: Boiled down, the inner awakening you speak of feels like Introspection. At least that’s how I read that, not sure if that’s what you meant to communicate. Decades ago, as a person in my late teens-early twenties and before I really knew Jesus, I went through a period of introspection, what I coined for myself as “Internal Weeding”. Basically I told myself that there were some aspects within me that I didn’t like, that didn’t feel right to me. I sat down with myself and asked what it is I would like to change, what kind of person I wanted to be. I’m not talking about what kind of car to drive, home to live in or clothes to wear, what type of vacations to take or any of the external facets of life, but instead facets of personality. Do I have kind words to offer in support of people who are struggling with life’s challenges? Do I really want to use swear words to get my points across? Things of that nature. I vowed to pull them out like weeds that have no place in a garden and are perhaps destructive in nature. I’m far from perfect and it’s a lifelong process versus a one-and-done commitment, but introspection can help you become a better person. Once you add Jesus into the equation that entire concept of Introspection gets ramped-up exponentially.
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Where Are We Headed?: Hopefully to a world where things are as they were meant to be, as they ought to be and as they can be. I would guess most people here on GAW are hoping for this kind of world. We were brought up (many of us, especially the older anons) with noble ideals on fairness, opportunity, hard work, respect for our fellow man, honor, justice and many more important concepts. We older anons bring wisdom and a perspective borne of seeing the changes over time while some of the younger ones here have been forged and made stronger by going through the fires of cynicism, and in some cases loss of hope for the future, in an increasingly destructive world. All of us here, old and young, have something inside us, something innate, that wants a just and peaceful world. We want the Truth.
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Personally, the Truth was important long before I was born and will remain important long after I’m gone from this earth. It’s worth fighting for. MHO. (The second half of my thoughts on your post here u/FractalizingIron )
Erudite response/reply.
I shall read again.
we should have been told the 100% truth from the beginning. isn't that what free will/free choice is all about, us being able to decide what we want, good or bad?
how can we freely choose when we don't know what the truth is? it's not fair to not know what we are choosing. then to be punished for believing lies?? that's not free choice, that's trickery and deceit.
the idea that mis/disinformation is necessary is BS. there is good and bad in all of us. give us the correct info and let us decide which side of this we want to be on. rant over.
“Here is calculus, all of calculus, all at once.”
—> (o)
“Please learn it and have full ability and will to act upon your knowledge, immediately.
I will expect some complicated engineering work to be underway, if not complete, in the next five minutes or so.”
As nice of a thought as it is, people don’t work that way. How long was Adam counseled in the garden prior to the fall? A day? A year? Five hundred years? Were his days counted before death was a thing? For what purpose would they have been counted?
We fell, we were separated, the path back is not so straightforward. Our job is to make the path straight. How can we do that if it isn’t crooked?
'they' purposely taught us fake math from when we were little and then they expect us to believe them when they tell us it was fake the whole the time?
Adam was told the truth by God to not eat of the fruit. Adam was lied to by satan BUT knew the truth and made a choice. that's what i'm talking about. God told the truth, satan lied, Adam chose. this is where free will comes in. Adam willingly chose the lie while knowing the truth.
we've been lied to all of our lives and taught wrong on purpose and that is not how free will is supposed to work.
i honestly don't care how long Adam was in the garden. he walked with God, he knew God loved and cared for him, then Adam let a creature deceive him. all on Adam, not God.
so in short, tell us and teach us the truth so when lies do come forward, we decide whether we want to choose good or evil. at this point we have been deceived FIRST, then present what 'they' call truth.
that "being or beings" called MAJESTIC12 says we are gods. so from what i've been taught in the Bible, THAT is BLASHPHEMY.
MAJESTIC 12 also says that THEY created the Bible and lied to us from the beginning about creation. they also say that they were good, then they were evil, now the are good again. really!!!! so if they can switch like that on a dime, how do we know that they were ever really good???? and the crap they are spewing at us now is truth and good?
the Bible tells us that the last days must be cut short because of the pure evil that is to come that even the righteous will all be deceived if left to continue.
The fruit was the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam could not know what disobedience was without having first eaten the fruit. God even says in Genesis 3:22 "...'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'"
I'm sorry to say, but my first redpill was coming out of the Christian Church.
The issue is not disobedience. That's a theological misinterpretation based on ignorance.
The issue was simply this: Adam: believe God or believe Lucifer. That was Adam's responsibility. His choice. Without responsibility, he could not inherit God's authority to be king of the world.
The fruit is talked of as the Fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The other tree was "the tree of life". But what were they really? Is this story literal? is there such an actual tree, that if you eat the fruit, it kills you spiritually? Never seen one. Maybe kills you physically, if the fruit is poisonous, but Adam lived on, physically. He died spiritually, because he became separated from God.
So what did the tree of KoG/E symbolize? What about the True of Life? That's the real question.
If your parent warns you, don't go throwing a rock at the neighbors car, because the consequences will be bad, you can either believe your parent or not. If you do, sure, you won't taste the experience of being yelled at by the neighbor, dragged to the police station, and getting some sort of punishment, you won't KNOW that, but what will you know? You'll now the joy and satisfaction of making the good choice until you are older and then understand the consequences, even without undergoing the experience.
The story in Genesis is there to communicate something. Don't blame the church if they are just as ignorant as you about what it means. But carry on.
Gen 3:17 "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree..."
For Adam, it wasn't a choice between believing God or the Devil. The poor guy was 3rd party to this.
And this is the immediate failure of God's creation, which He knew would happen in let's say week or two previous of Adam being created, establishing the curse of original sin from there out.
Seems broken.
Would you have eaten the fruit?
You're right in that the choice for Adam wasn't directly God or the devil. Eve, having fallen with the devil then become the devil's proxy to Adam. But the choice for Adam was still: believe in what God told me, or not believe in what God told me.
Adam had that responsibility. If scripture is accurate (if it's message and meaning are truthful), then it was Adam to whom the commandment was given. Why? Adam was to be the central figure to the world as God was to Adam. Adam was responsible to convey the truth to Eve. So even though Eve was the first one to fall, and the conduit by which the devil then tempted Adam, Adam bears the ultimate responsibility. And this is exactly why the Messiah must come as a man. To restore Adam (the man)'s failure.
When Adam and Eve fell, they inherited Lucifer's fallen nature. One aspect of that nature is NOT taking responsibility. So when God asked Adam, Adam basically said "not my fault; it was the woman that YOU made who tempted me". Even did the same: "Not my fault, it was the devil who tempted me". While factually true, they both failed to take responsibility for THEIR choice.
OK. That's a BIG presumption, and one that it would seem informs a lot of your downstream conclusions. Would you agree with that?
Well, yeah, when you frame it like that with that presumption in place....
I have a very different perspective, but it hinges around the purpose behind the creation, and how that purpose was to be accomplished.
Actually, I would say that one of the key missing keystones in Christian belief / theology until now is the inadequacy in defining the purpose of Creation. Defining the purpose of creation requires a clearer definition of who God and and what God's nature is than theology has been able to provide, historically speaking.
And this is the thing. Starting from "God created the world", one can layer in hundreds and thousands of subsequent postulations to arrive at almost any conclusion that is dictated by the selection tree of postulations. And if you consider that we've been working with (clearly) limited information, it's not difficult to conclude that the wide variety of conclusions reached are going to be limited in accuracy or perspicacity.
In other words, unless one's starting premise is clearly accurate, all derivatives from that starting point are going to miss the mark to some extent. They may reflect truth in some aspects, but will also contain problematic limitations.
Sorry if the above is a rather lengthy, but I think in unraveling the issues at hand, there is really no getting away from these issues.
I don't know if you have any real interest in such things or not, but I've been engaged with such things for a loooong time now, and I always like to encourage people to reflect on the conclusions they have drawn in these areas, perhaps because more often than not, I myself have arrived at very different conclusions.
But in case you are interested....
If I skip the requisite foundational points, and state in brief some of the core development points (omitting the articulation of certain necessary logical foundations for the sake of brevity), I'd say this:
Real Love is something that can only exist in an atmosphere of freedom. It cannot be forced or coerced. Also, the experience of Love only arises when there is an object that is loved, someone or something that reflects the very nature of the one who loves. (i.e. One may love a pet because the pet, on some level, reflects the owner's own character and nature. This is what makes the pet's nature 'attractive'.)
Love requires an object that the lover can relate to. If God's nature is love, then that nature would inherently compel God to create an object of love, because love needs an object to be truly experienced. The object God created was "Adam".
But God has creative nature. So it was also NECESSARY for Adam himself to have creativity, so that A) he would reflect God's own creative nature, and B) he could qualify to inherit God's authority to rule over the creation and C) he could stand as God's actual child and not merely as a servant.
All creativity involves choices and choice inherently involves responsibility. Whether one accepts the responsibility for one's choices or not does not negate the responsibility itself. It exists, as part of the fabric of the universe. We see all the time that abandonment of responsibility results in tragedy and suffering, whereas the opposite, being responsible, results in wholesomeness and prosperity (not necessarily material prosperity, but certainly mental / spiritual prosperity).
God created Adam in such a way that Adam himself had a role and a responsibility in his own creation. How?
All living creatures in God's creation reach perfection and maturity via a growing period, from genesis (aka conception or birth) to full maturation. A tree begins as a seed. A wolf begins as an embryo. Likewise, logically, we can understand and logically assume that its the same for Adam and Eve.
Adam, as the blueprint for all humans, had TWO dimensions: not only a physical form, but also a spirit. In the case of all beings, the physical form grows automatically as long as the necessary conditions are provided: water, warmth, nutrition, exercise. But human beings also have a spirit, a heart, and the growth and development of the spirit and heart was crated to require certain choices on the part of the person themselves.
Despite popular belief, it's illogical to thing that Adam was created perfect and complete. He clearly wasn't, because if a perfect and complete being can fall into corruption, that logically dictates that God himself could fall into corruption. Even scripture itself testifies that Jesus was not born complete but grew through his life to reach perfection in his relationship with God. ("through his sufferings, he learned obedience, and thus .... was made perfect" (aka perfected.)
Adam and Eve were created in an immature state, and like every other being, had to grow to maturity and perfection during a growing period during which they were immature. During that period of growth, that period where their sense of truth and love was immature, they were vulnerable to be diverted if some force stronger than their innate conscience assailed them (i.e. tempted them).
And THIS is why the commandment was necessary. If Adam (and Eve) maintained faith in God during his period of immaturity, he would have grown to maturity and reached his completion through the exercise of his OWN faith and intent, thus qualifying to be co-creator with God, by co-creating his own perfect self.
How? If an unprincipled force of temptation was directed to Adam during his immaturity, the power generated by his faith would have kept him on course, and he could have completed his growth to reach perfection. But this was Adam's portion of responsibility: only he could maintain his faith. God could not do it for him. Otherwise, Adam would be like any other creation and NOT a co-creator and therefore NOT capable of truly returning God's love as a free being.
Being omnipresent, God knew all possibilities, BUT God himself trusted in and believed in Adam, and trusted that Adam himself would have faith. But it was Adam who had to choose, and so while God KNEW it was possible for Adam to fall, it was NOT a foregone conclusion. Not by any means.
Some christian theology has attempted to resolve the apparent paradox between God's 'omniscience' on one hand and free will on the other by actually postulating that free will doesn't exist. God knows everything that WILL happen, and it is all predetermined.
But this makes it impossible for humanity to be co-creators with God, and to inherit God's position as lords of Creation. Moreover, it makes it impossible for human beings to be true objects of love for God, because they would have NO choice in whether they love God or not.
The only logical framework is one where one postulates that God's own purpose of creation involved Adam himself playing a role, so that the accomplishment of God's purpose is a joint project between the Creator, God on one hand and humanity (aka Adam and Eve) on the other.
Otherwise, it makes NO sense why a being of love would let the history of suffering and tragedy drag on so long. If he could change it all with a magic wand, why not? Because the purpose for which he created the world involved more than just him calling all the shots. It involved cooperation and unity from his children, humanity.
The only logical framework that takes into account the postulations that God is love and that human beings have free will is that God created human beings with a portion of responsibility to achieve their own perfection by faith in God's word (like a child believing in what their parent tells them while they are growing to maturity), during a period of growth from birth to full maturity. Perfection of the human being, created as the object of God's love, means perfection of the heart: the ability to give and receive love full, perfection of heart that would then reflect perfectly God's own heart.
While Adam failed in that, with tragic consequences, Jesus succeeded.
We do not know what choices our children will make as they grow up. We do our best to guide them, but we also know that to prevent them from being able to make their own choices would destroy them. So, we might see certain potentials and possibilities, but which ones manifest, this hinges on the child's own choices (aside from other factors).
It's the same with God. God's purpose and will is not accomplished unilaterally. It was designed in such way that human beings have an integral role to play, so that we would be co-creators in that purpose, the creation of a world of love. We play that role by successfully 'co-creating' our mature perfected selves.
If Adam and Eve had only just kept faith during that period of vulnerability, then they would have reached their own perfection, and God's presence in the created world would have been direct, direct through Adam, and all his descendants would have inherited that blessing and built on that foundation.
But that process was derailed by Adam's failure, making it necessary for a Messiah, Jesus, to come to begin rectifying and restoring that process. But clearly it is not over yet, because we still do not have that world of love.
I'm unclear here, and I'll get to the rest of your text in a sec, but are you saying it's a big assumption to think that God would know Adam and Eve would disobey him?
The only reason 'original sin' is a curse is because the universe was designed by God so that blessing can be passed forward. If Adam had not failed, there would have been no 'curse of original sin', but instead there would have been 'the blessing of original goodness'.
But Adam and Eve were the origin point, the original blueprint. The landing pad for God's love and purpose. So when they themselves were lost, there was NO foundation for recovery, so God had to painstakingly eke out a foundation, starting from the very beginning, to 'recreate' Adam, and this became the process of preparing a way to bring the Messiah, the second Adam. That's essentially what the scripture is a record of.
I'm highly sympathetic with anyone calling into question the very precepts and theological frameworks adopted by most of mainstream Christianity. Because the discerning mind is going to come up against a LOT of entanglements that have not yet been resolved.
I also have a lot of respect for believers who, despite recognizing their own limitations in understanding, resonate with God's love and adhere to what they feel or know to be true. It all helps.
I used to be 'anti-Christian', until I came to the realization early on that Christianity, as a faith and as a people, is like my own parents: not perfect, flawed, but they tried to love me as best as they could. And, I only exists because of the foundation they laid. When I realized that, I learned to embrace it for what it was, without feeling the necessity to ignore the shortcomings or failings.
I adopted a perspective that sees faith as something that also grows through a 'growing period'. To my thinking, there are three stages:
Faith of a child, which is blind faith, unquestioning and unblinking faith.
Faith of an adolescent, which is questioning faith, struggling faith. Faith where the critical faculty kicks on and tests the limits and robustness of the belief system.
That's where a lot of people are derailed, much like Adam and Eve who I believe were in their adolescence when they fell. If one can pass through that stage, one arrives at adult faith. mature faith.
Faith of an adult, which is faith with understanding. It is faith where logic & reason uphold faith, after having been tested and trialed. Adult faith recognizes its own limitations but is not restricted by them. It is open-eyed faith.
Anyway, that's my experience.
I strongly believe that God and Christ are perfect, but I am also firmly convinced that humanity so far does NOT have a perfect or even fully accurate understanding of them. We are still on the long walk of restoration to fully recover that which Adam lost. And, we suffer the consequences of what Adam (and Eve) did and what they failed to do.
Ultimately, each of us is destined to confront the same core issue: human responsibility, and how it needs to be fulfilled. What we're able to accomplish and restore, those who come after us will benefit from.
Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34? The question is what those mean. Your response, ironically, mirrored John 10:33 (though I doubt that was your intent, or that amplifying verse 34 is MJ12’s). I’ve heard of Majestic 12 and MJ12, but don’t know anything of it, nor do I have any conclusion on those verses. Maybe some day. This is not intended as an accusation, but as an encouragement for further consideration, simply because it is not clear what is meant, from any of the above sources, and not because anything is “wrong”.
Au contraire. “Free will” means you’re able to accept or reject those lies and to choose or abstain from searching for the Truth. It’s not how creation will work at some point, but it’s absolutely in line with “free will”.
“You have more than you know.”
i was/am searching for the truth and came across Majectic12, and everything they say is the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches. they say the Bible is a lie, we are gods and that Jesus is not the Messiah but he is in the 7th dimension.
they say God does NOT create life but man and woman does when sperm meets egg. nothing spiritual about God breathing life into that baby.
it was not my intent to mirror John 10:33.
sorry my fren, i love my God and my Jesus and don't want some creature from the black lagoon or hole to tell me neither exist. thank you for being kind during my rant.
No worries, hope I didn’t come off any other way either. Spurring to considerance is tricky to do politely, and I’m rather a novice at it going by my results (and not by my intention).
you were very patient and kind, much appreciated fren.
“Spurring”, by nature, involves a poke in the side. :-)
Without that poke, though, the horsey don’t move.
https://www.docdroid.net/nT0Shkt/version-2-majestic-messages-of-disclosure-pdf#page=5
here is the link to the majestic 12 saga. i hope the link works for you, i'm not sure how else share it with you.
it talks about math, etc., so i thought with your math drop you might have been because of them. have a great day.
You as well!
Are you somehow expecting the devil and his minions, all those that are evil, to simply tell you the truth and relinquish their control over you?
Who are you demanding tell you the truth? The devil is NOT interested in your freewill or choice. He is interested in controlling and destroying you.
Hmmmm... I see the acknoweldged rant, but I'm not quite clear on who or what the rant is about/against.
Told the truth by who?
It's not fair.... well, yeah, the situation is not fair. Punished? By who? Trickery and deceit? Certainly. Evil uses trickery and deceit, and willingly violates our free will via manipulation.
Who or what are you talking about? if it's Q, well, Q simply explained to us that in the intel war (which includes the psywar) disinformation is an important tool for waging war on the enemy.
So, yeah, not sure at all who or what the rant is directed towards.
But just in case it's in reference to the historical situation that we find ourselves, there is this:
The universe is designed by the creator so that all good things and blessings can be inherited down towards those who come after. My accomplishments, including the blessings I receive from God, can pass forward to benefit (bless) my decedents. That's because God himself wishes to inherit his blessings down to us, as his children.
But this structure - like responsibility - comes with consequences. Fulfilling one's responsibility results in blessings. Not fulfilling, abandoning one's responsibility results in the opposite.
In the very beginning, God gave the truth to Adam and Eve. Don't do X, because if you do, the consequences will be fatal and devastating. Adam and Eve had a responsibility to receive that truth and unite with it. Their responsibility - their part - was to be faithful and believe.
But when they were approached with a lie - no, doing X will actually be great for you! - they had a choice: believe in my father, or believe in this angelic being.
Their failure to maintain faith resulted in spiritual death, separation from God, with the result that there was no way back for them or their descendants unless God carved it out for them. The spiritual death resulted in loss of knowledge, because they became cut off from the source of true knowledge.
This is why, over time, historically, God has shed sweat blood and tears to carve out, step by step, the means to re-deliver his word and the truth. All the suffering of humanity is simply the reflection of the suffering of the Father as he works from the other side. We reach out to God, but God reaches out to us even more. When we encounter God, some folks feel like they just met God and that God decided to show up. But there are years, decades, generations of effort by God just to get to the point where he can break through and our minds are awake enough to respond.
It is a tragedy that the first ancestors abandoned the truth they were given. Is it unfair that we are in a place of suffering? of ignorance? Yes, but the only reason the situation exists is because of the principle that God wants to inherit everything, all his blessings, love and joy, down to us. We're the one's who screwed up, not God.
And, God does not punish. God holds us to account, as he holds himself to account. Who do you think God really blamed when Adam and Eve fell? He blamed himself. he thought, this would have never have happened, if I had not created them. That is why, before anything else, God took responsibility, and began working straight away to rescue his children.
It might look, from the outside, that we're being punished and that God is aloof, but is it punishment if you jump off a cliff and end up with broken bones? No. This is simply the consequence of the laws of physics, laws put in place and created to make skiing possible, diving in to water possible, running down a hill possible. But if you jump off a cliff, you're going to end up with broken bones.
Just a few thoughts, in response to your rant, and possibly having nothing to do with your rant, as I am unclear who or what it was about, but just in case it was about God, and our unfair situation because of those who lived before us....
Peace
https://www.docdroid.net/nT0Shkt/version-2-majestic-messages-of-disclosure-pdf#page=5
this is who i'm ranting about. i'm sorry i didn't make this clearer. now, i guess we don't have a God, Jesus is not the Messiah but something in the 7th dimension. and how Majestic 12 is controlling us and we can reincarnate or ascend.
Kek.
Not a publishing date or nothing. So obviously real serious about the info, then.... /s
FWIW, I'll say that (in my view) a lot of stuff comes to people via the spirit world. Aka they get ideas, thoughts, even messages, and latch in to them and convey them, etc.
But the spirit world is just as varied and has as broad a spectrum of awareness as Earth (aka our material plane).
Some folks might receive content from someone in the spirit world who is convinced "this is how it is" - after all, the spirit world is the dimension where one's subjective reality dictates one's external experience - and that might be conveyed even in highly complex thought constructions, some of which MIGHT reflect reality, and some of which might completely reflect a subjective and inaccurate view.
Which is why one needs to always tune in to the holy spirit, and vet the information. Personally, I use a model I call the three axis model (i.e. X, Y and Z axes):
Axis X: Guidance from God via the spirit, which might be inspiration, revelation in prayer, dreams, or intuition. (discerning when this guidance comes from is critical and is something one needs to hone over one's life)
Axis Y: Guidance from scripture, written truths, the Word
Axis Z: Personal experience in the Real World that confirms or denies, that provides evidence of how accurately X and Y are matching up.
When all three Axes converge and come close together, I use this as my guidance system for honing in on "Truth".
So not wanting to discount any possible information in the document (Majestic 12), my first response (to be honest) was: Why would you give any credence to it in the first place?
Anyway, thanks for clarifying. It was a bit obscure to me, and it almost seemed like you were ranting against God! As if He had done us an injustice.
one final thought: It might be good that you encountered this Majestic 12 stuff. (I've heard echos of this but never seen this document). Why?
I leave you with another model I use for gauging spiritual (faith) development, in case it is interesting or helpful:
There are three distinct stages in the development or maturation of faith:
Faith of a child, which is blind faith, unquestioning and unblinking faith.
followed by
Faith of an adolescent, which is questioning faith, struggling faith. Faith where the critical faculty kicks on and tests the limits and robustness of the belief system.
followed by
Faith of an adult, which is faith with understanding. It is faith where logic & reason uphold faith, after having been tested and trialed. Adult faith recognizes its own limitations but is not restricted by them. It is open-eyed faith.
It's the middle stage that is most tricky. Some people avoid it by choosing to stay in the first stage, shutting down their development. The second stage IS where most people get derailed, but to reach the third stage, one has to pass through it.
Anyway, after being exposed to this sort of stuff (i.e Majestic 12, ascension, intergalactic brotherhoods, etc) at a very early stage in my life of faith (i.e. as a teenager) it doesn't really bother me, but I think its OK realize its not a very accurate view of the universe. Complex, detailed, etc, etc, but accurate? Nah.
<end of rant>
these are a compilation of tweets from majestic12. i found the link on this board. they say they are NOT the same as Q but work side by side with Q. so i've been reading it.
no, i was not ranting against God. i'm ranting about all the disinformation/misinformation we have been told since, forever. i appreciate all your time and info, i feel like i'm starting to lose faith and i'm tired, very tired.
it says on there that they invented the Bible to hide the truth from us about where we really came from and that we are God and Jesus is not our Messiah but an ISBE that ascended and is in the 7th D.
with all the evil, and there is much evil, i just need answers to why anyone or anything would allow millions and millions of children to be tortured, sexually abused and even eaten. i can hardly stand it.
again Frac, thanks.
Thanks GKTH.
I understand that you are tired. It's the right response to the situation, because we're in the midst of a war, and war is taxing. It saps into our energy stores. And, when we are exposed to information that we were previously protected from, it takes a LOT of spiritual energy just to assimilate and process it. So don't give up and don't despair. You are not alone, even more than you know.
I think I know where you're at, and I sympathize greatly. Let me share a story.
I had many formative experiences - spiritual experiences - when I was a child. I recall having experiences where my heart was overwhelmed by a heart much greater than my child's heart, and I would weep for all the suffering in the world, the pain of humanity. Numerous times this happened, before I even went to high school.
But my father was very critical of religion in general, and with a sharp intellect, I came to adopt the following position: How can God let there be so much suffering in the world? If that is God, then I'm going to NOT believe in God, even if he exists. If God can let such suffering exist, then I don't want such a God.
And during my early teenage years, I adopted the cloak of an atheist. I would argue, and win debates with my Christian friends about how God does not exist.
But as I entered senior high school, something began to shift. I could see that the other kids around me, who I looked down on in my arrogance, had lives that meant as much to them as mine did to me. I found compassion emerging in my heart, and at the same time, I began to think about God in a very different way, not so much from the angle of traditional Christian belief, which I had already decided to reject, but from a more .... new age type of angle. God as consciousness, God as a transcendent force.
So it was that when I was 18, I began having experiences with God again. I would have deep and profound prayers, where my heart was overwhelmed with tears and anguish, and I came to realize that the tears and anguish were not mine, but that they were God's. God was showing to me his true feelings, about the world, about humanity, about Israel in history and Jesus who walked the earth 2000 years ago.
And I was humbled. I came to realize that my own heartache about the suffering in the world was in fact an echo of God's own heart. That far from being an aloof, distant deity presiding over the world and judging the world, that in fact, God's most profound character was one of heartache and suffering, because those he loves beyond all measure of himself are in a place where he cannot simply sweep in and rescue them.
You see God cannot and will not ever violate our own responsibility, our own choices made in free will. So when people turn away from God, for whatever reason, regardless of the circumstances, God cannot simply step in and change their choice, no matter how much he may want to and no matter how much heartache those choices cause for them. He suffers, because even though he tries to reach out and get people to listen to his voice, there has always been an enemy who is constantly mocking him, attacking his children and leading them into disaster.
Why? How could it be so? because God's own creation purpose is a joint project. While he created the vast cosmos and endowed his children with physical forms, and spirit and heart, he also gave them (us) a portion of responsibility to accomplish in order for his purpose to be perfected and fulfilled. That responsibility has to do with faith, because it is only through faith that Adam was to achieve his own maturity. Believing in God, following God's command, Adam would have grown to completion, and God's creation purpose would have been fulfilled, when he and Adam would become fused and united forever as Father and Son.
And all who came after, the children and descendants of Adam, would have stood on that foundation, and the world would have come a world of Joy, and Blessing.
But Adam failed, and heartbroken, God himself could not interfere, because it was He himself who gave Adam the responsibility. If he interfered, then it would be the same as negating his own creation purpose, and violating his own creation design. And so the inheritance from Adam became one of suffering, not blessing.
So it is that since the fall of Adam, God has worked in tears, sweat and blood to restore his relationship with us, step by step, sacrifice by sacrifice. All to bring us to the point where we can reverse the mistake of Adam and restore ourselves to him.
And Jesus then, is the first fruit, but not the end. It's not a magic wand. The spiritual salvation through Christ is a doorway, a starting point. Jesus restores the position of Adam, but we and the world are still in a place where WE must fulfill our responsibility.
The main thing I came to realize at that time when I was 18 and over the next few years, is that God is a God of heartbreak and suffering, and that Jesus himself was more rejected and heartbroken than any person who ever lived, but he overcame it all, and loved despite being rejected by the very people prepared to receive him.
Jesus was able to forgive sins before he went to the cross. Think about it. He could forgive sins. So why was the cross necessary? Because of the faithlessness of the Israelites, who, instead of reversing the mistake of Adam, repeated it and compounded it by rejecting Jesus. So Jesus had to pay the price with his flesh.
If you pray on these things and earnestly ask God if this is true, he will answer you. You may have to fight in prayer. Between you and God's heart there are thousands and thousands of spiritual forces that want to keep you away from knowing the true heart of God. When I met God in deep prayer, it was on the foundation of praying so hard, so determinedly, not willing to stop or relent until I experienced God and found the answer: "What are you feeling God? How do you feel about the world? What do you actually FEEL about the world, God?"
This sort of prayer cannot be answered easy peasy, but requires, sometimes, to be willing to fight to the death to seek God, to not let Satan block the way.
Remember the Garden of Gethsemane. Jesus prayed so hard that the blood vessels behind his eyes burst with the pressure and his tears became tears of blood.
When you pray with all your effort, desperate and calling out to God for him to answer you, he will be drawn, and you'll find yourself wrapped up in more sorrow and love and grace than you have ever experienced.
At that point, faith and belief turns to knowledge. It's no longer about believing in God, because you'll experience God on a level so deep that it cannot ever be denied.
And this is the truth: God is tired. Jesus is tired. But because they love absolutely, they cannot be stopped and will never be stopped. And when we come to them and tell them and experience their own heart as our own, we step in to a position to comfort them. Did you ever think that perhaps God needs a son to comfort him? To tell him, don't worry Father, I will never give up!! This is the heart of Jesus to his Father, and THIS is the real cross to be taken up.
To love the Father is to care for the Father and comfort the father and give everything you can to see his kingdom come, even if it is only one day sooner, to end the suffering of his children one day sooner.
If we can pray and through our prayer and faith bring the healing of another, don't you think that we can move the world closer to God, through our effort and devotion? Then, we are not just following Jesus, but walking along side him, sharing with him the work.
That's all I have to say on that. The answer to how anyone or anything could allow such suffering to exist cannot be found in a rationalization, or an intellectual understanding, but only through the direct experience of God's heart. If you search out God and desperately reach out to him, you'll find a father heartbroken in tears, hoping to find one more son who will help him end the suffering sooner, even if by one day.
Ask how Jesus feels. Ask how he felt upon the cross. So many believers just want to get the blessings, the benefits from Jesus, but are unwilling to share the sufferings of Jesus.
When Jesus says Take up you cross and follow me, he is talking about what? the Cross of the Heart. The Cross of a Love so intense that it reaches out even to its enemies, and loves even them. The Cross of Love that weeps for the world but is determined never to abandon it and never to give in.
Opening our heart to God, and to Jesus, and to Others, is the hardest thing to do, ever. But in that, you'll find a unity and a love and a peace that will overcome the pain of loving even more.
I encourage you to start with prayer. Ask God if all this is true. Seek him out, and don't let yourself be discouraged. Remember Jacob. In order to become the one whom God could bless and raise up an entire people, he had to struggle 'with God' all through the night. Why?
Because to come to God, and experience God's heart, we have to fight for it. It's not automatic. The possibility of doing that is what Jesus grants to us. Without him, would could not even begin to try.
Tell God what is in your heart and ASK him, ask him, earnestly, how HE feels about this. If you persevere, he will tell you.
Between the ages of 18 up until my late 20's, I continually had prayers filled with tears, and Jesus was my constant companion, as I felt my desire to comfort God rise up and overcome my desire to be comforted by God.
When I was 8 years old, one of my first encounters with God's heart was when, in my classroom, in a catholic school (I'm not catholic anymore), I found myself singing with the class the Peace Song of Saint Francis. As I sat on the classroom floor, legs crossed, my head down, tears gushed from my eyes and the words of the song etched something deep in to my heart that remains to this day:
Make me a channel of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me bring your love.
Where there is injury, your pardon, Lord,
And where there's doubt, true faith in you.
Make me a channel of your peace.
Where there's despair in life, let me bring hope.
Where there is darkness, only light,
And where there's sadness, ever joy.
Oh, Master, grant that I may never seek
So much to be consoled as to console.
To be understood as to understand.
To be loved as to love with all my soul.
Make me a channel of your peace.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
in giving of ourselves that we receive,
and in dying that we're born to eternal life.
A blessing on you, GKTH. Because God indeed knows the heart. He's waiting for you...
i am so thankful Frac that you are no longer an atheist. your words moved me in an incredible way, that i deleted that majestic12 link, it was making me very upset and started me to rethink my relationship with our Father.
your words soothed me and brought me back to the realization that i truly love God and i think that is why majestic12's words were upsetting me so very much that they would reduce our Heavenly Father to a myth and the works of Jesus as nothing.
thank you with all my heart for the time you've taken to bring me out of my "dark" spot.
truly may God bless you and keep you!!
Just following up, GKTH, and saying thanks for the reply and the conversation. I'm really happy that my words could help, and I think we can both give the glory to God. He's taking care of you.
The second stage in the growth of faith is usually the most difficult and trickiest one. It's where we encounter and then grapple with doubts, ideas that might assail the beliefs formed during the earlier stage, and many other things. But it's a process we have to go through if our faith is to mature and deepen, and avoiding this process only helps to retard our faith so that it never grows beyond a certain immature point.
If you put your heart and mind into a prayer, and tell your Heavenly Father that you want to have great faith, that you desire to have great faith and to love him even more, he will listen to that prayer. What's key is the desire. That heart of wanting to have faith. That desire to be so close you can taste it.
Someone who was an inspiration in the early stages of my faith course (I rediscovered God at 18 years of age, and began the journey of faith more fully then) testified to how he prayed in his early days. He prayed to God and asked:
For faith greater than Paul's
For wisdom greater than Solomon's
And love greater than Jesus's
I don't see how that last one would work, but the desire, the heart in the prayer can become a flame that draws Heavenly Father's love and focus, and opens the way for him to grant what you desire. To have a love like Jesus is a tall order, but God is our father, and to him, what's important is the heart and desire we have and our willingness to call on him.
Please take care.
I'm always here. Also, Slechta is a great brother who is always willing to lend a helping heart and hand. Just FYI.
God bless you, fren.
PS. You may be interested to read my other responses to lithopedion under this post.
Excellent post!
One of my biggest red pills was the slow realization of the implications of Jesus’ name not being “Jesus”.
Thank you Amateur. Glad you got something from it.
Go on...
Among many other things, dispensationalism becomes a false path that leads us to right where we are today, walking out the book of Isaiah.
Right up to having Syria mobilized against us and foreigners devouring the fruit of our land.