BREAKING: Trump says it's up to states to decide abortion, declines to endorse national abortion ban
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For a nation that supposedly places God first…we let man decide if murder is ok. States shouldn’t get the right to decide when it’s right to kill a child. There are laws…God’s law, then man’s pathetic attempt at laws. I pray for the strength of Christians to be able to stand firmly, and make the right decisions based on God’s laws. Pretty much nonexistent tho. Trump should stand for innocence, and not pull a Reagan, kicking the can down the road. Winning huh?
While I respect your opinion, I'm ideologically a Federalist and believe in the American Republic and power residing at the state level. To that end, the fed needs to butt out of all matters and the power reside in the states. Some states will get it wrong and that is on their conscience, but most will get it right.
I'm an absolutist on this subject, so I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.
It’s not really an opinion though. It’s obviously my stance because I’m a Christian. Saying this is a state issue is like saying raping children is a state issue. Maybe we should vote on that? What age can adults rape children? 5 and up? It’s ridiculous. I wanna see all these supposedly Christian, point to God’s Word and say when it’s ok to kill a child. They’ll have to answer for that one day. And Trump, being in a position of power, Lord have mercy on him. He know not what he does. I would love a Bible sitting next to the voting booth when people decide. Place your hand on God’s Word. And vote to kill innocents, or destroy this satanic ritual once and for all. But…states rights. Yea ok.
Then I have no answer for you... or at least one you would accept.
Of course you don’t. Because I don’t need any answers for this. I know the answer. I just pray there are Christians out there that can “risk it all” to side with God’s law. I’m sure there have been a few recently. Labeled as fools or stupid for the “strong stance”. But in Gods eyes, amazing. Bless them. And those who support them.
I think you just changed my mind on this
Not everyone is a Christian and we still have freedom of religion in this country. Every state has an age of consent. I agree that abortion is murder, infantacide. I just want to point out that if it is made illegal everywhere, people will still do it. They did before it was legal and they will after it is made illegal again. If a woman has a child she doesn't want, and abuses that child, that child is going to grow up and be a twisted human being that is probably going to to the same thing to their kids. The people that do the most evil in this world were abused as children. It continues down the ages.
Now that little soul that was aborted, I am sure gets another chance at life. I think that in some cases, for that little soul, abortion could be a blessing compared to the alternative of a life with continual abuse by the person that should love you the most. Which will most likely turn that little soul into an evil being that just perpetuates the evil. A fast pain almost before you can feel, to me is preferable to a life of fear and no love. It is still murder. Im not trying to justify anything, I am just trying to make you understand that things may not be so simple as you think. I think President Trump made the correct decision here. God will be the judge, and I am more than happy to leave that job to Him.
“Gets another chance at life.” If a child is murdered by its mothers choice/doctor, it goes straight to our Lord. He or she will be spared this world of sin and death. Reincarnation isn’t a thing. Or were you meaning of something else?
I get that view from living a young life of abused. It’s up for debate. I’ve known quiet a few who are from homes that they were abused in. A church I work with on occasion set up a house for boys in such cases. They see the world much different than those who’ve been raised in loving homes. Ultimately it’s their choice who they become and how hey act. Having Jesus with them is the biggest aid they have. Although some are just so lost.
I do think things are pretty simple. It’s people who confuse things. Or Satan rather. People are victims. People think they can navigate this world on their on shoulders. Take matters into their own hands. Think they are clever. This is where they are wrong.
All Trump said was it’s up to states to decide (which wasn’t true before Trump, because the fed had decided across the board based on a horrible Supreme Court ruling before Trump… thank you Trump), and if republicans want to win elections if this becomes their election issue, then be for exceptions for mother’s life, rape, and incest.
These are just facts. Fact 1- no longer federal blanket approval for abortions, fact 2- there are too many sheeple drinking the fake news kool-aid to realize even in the exception of mothers life, rape, and incest, we are still dealing with the infinite dignity of a human being that deserves life.
Trump drastically changed the landscape for the better. The new battle is at the state level. Your argument is dumb, you want the US congress to pass legislation banning abortion across the board, no exceptions. You could expect such a bill to be filled with so many loopholes, money laundering, pork barreling, and general fodder, and then you just made it worse. Those kind of great amendments come when a majority of the states have universal anti-abortion laws, and eventually the federal government will follow suit.
The war is at the state and court level now, whether you like that or not. Get involved. Let’s get the right leaders in place locally to make more changes for the good. Promulgate the Vatican’s “Dignitas Infinita” released today. God is moving, let’s unite and take these heretics down, brother !
Am involved. Am informed. There is NEVER any excuse to use the procedure called abortion EVER. It’s why I say a straight ban and made illegal, because I’m informed. Clearly many aren’t.
Rape and incest. A woman can be “cleaned”. Never gets pregnant. A woman’s life comes into jeopardy, which literally never happens but ok..you terminate the pregnancy. That DOESN’T mean abort the child. It means deliver the baby and use what means that are available to help the child survive. It’s would be placed in God’s hands atp.
Now let’s get crazy. Rape and or incest and the woman is held against her will, like caged. She’s six months along. Back to terminate the pregnancy. The child shouldn’t be murdered for the “rights” of anyone.
My argument is simple. God before family and country right? Then act like it. But I know the truth in this world. Abortion will never end. It will never go away. People aren’t brave enough to do and or say what needs to be said. Sure some states will go all in, except on rape, incest, woman’s health. But they aren’t informed. See above statement. It’s typical. It’s the norm. And it’s tiresome. God will get the final say. I’m glad I advocate for His most innocent, sinless, creations. It’s all I can really do in this world. I leave this at the feet of my savior. And the best that I can do is pray about it. Which is the best thing we can do.
Great! Here’s a link to the Dignitas Infinita
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2024/04/08/240408c.html
Let’s go wake up some sheeple!
Cyberhawk, there's neither a man nor woman on this board who would disagree with your stance on abortion. We all find it abhorrent.
But there are times to take a stand and there are other times where playing the long game, the incrementalism game, the SMART game is the way to go.
President Trump taking a stand now might make you happy, but it will result in:
-Single issue voters on the fence moving to Biden. -Single issue voters who are disgusted with Biden but were going to stay on the couch this November now leaping off their couch to go vote AGAINST DJT. -This makes the vote close enough for them to steal it again. -Perhaps even worse, Republicans everywhere are dragged down by that Stand nationally and at the state level.
And most importantly, the result would be even more open access to abortion during all three terms. Absolute barbarism is the result of that Stand.
Nobody ever won a war (and that's exactly what this is) by being "right" or "just". It always helps but wars are won by being smart, tactical and winning a lot of battles. We won a big battle when Roe V Wade was thrown out.
So now we all have an opportunity to win a small battle every day by using PERSUATION and working with our local reps instead of unaccountable federal reps. We make incremental progress until we reach a day where the culture has changed, where women don't get abortions and "unwanted" babies are born and go to loving homes instead.
But we only get there by being smart.
And you’re playing games with the lives of children. You’re playing games with evil itself. Satan rules this world as a prince. You won’t win games with him. We can only act with God’s laws in mind. That means say what you know is right. Repeat what has been written. How can people follow what’s right when we play games? God doesn’t play games. Neither should those who claim to follow Him. Think of all those in the Bible who trusted God. It’s called keeping the faith. We spout that daily on these forums, yet when times get desperate we immediately go into “this is the smart way”. Nothing faithful about that. People need to stop pretending. It’s an ugly side. Stop killing children. Easy.
The hubris you people speak with is galling. It's as though you believe you have some exclusive ownership on righteousness.
"Stop killing children. Easy."
It's incredibly easy to prophesize to the converted. You risk nothing, you accomplish nothing. If it was so easy, you would have accomplished your goal via platitudes. What have you accomplished so far, Cyberhawk? In my lifetime, I've convinced at least three women to not get an abortion and then a fourth whose baby my wife and I eventually adopted.
I've donated my time for free for 15 years to the largest pro-life organization in my state. During that time I've met with and continue to meet with state leaders to keep moving the needle in my state.
What have you accomplished beyond self-aggrandization?
Now if you don't mind, the rest of us will get to work on actually doing something about the problem. When the day arrives that we fix it, no need to thank us.
So now we’re counting the things that WE have done? The only things I’ve accomplished are the things God allowed me to. Everything and anything I’ve done or have ever done is pointless to myself. I want to be a servant to God. I owe Jesus everything. I am, I feel, a poor servant. That’s on me. I don’t count the one or two or ten that may have or may not have been helped to anything I’ve done. It’s all what God has done for them. That’s the problem, people want their credit. Thank you? That’s funny. Don’t worry about that. You wouldn’t even be breathing a few seconds after reading this sentence if God didn’t allow it. You want to compare a “do good” list? Well you win. Anything good I am allowed to be part of is all for Him who saved me. It’s all Him. I want nothing for myself anymore. I hope you look to Jesus for aid in helping others tho. And i’m thankful you have knowingly succeeded in helping others. I just thank God I found Jesus a few years ago. He saved me and my family. Forever. God is amazing.