The police are possily CYA with this statement, or at least the commissioner is.
The only question is then who screwed up, or who turned a blind eye. (incompetence vs. malign intent)
However, there are lots of reports that that building was a local law enforcement staging point. https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1721255537173859.png - ABC News - so take with grain of salt. I tend to believe the tweet from the man more.
Believe the local man. I have connections in that area. Slupe told the feds to get lost when they came asking for the concealed carry holder names in Butler county. He is a yuge 2a supporter and patriot all the way. The BTPD are patriots of a small township of patriots. That police force is not going to go for any of this corruption.
The building or or the adjacent building from the same company had police inside it. There was a counter sniper team from Beaver County which is the next County over inside that building. What they did not have and it seems obvious in retrospect that they should is they did not have police around the perimeter of that building or counter snipers on the roof of that building. Us Secret Service is responsible for the overall plan. So ultimately it's on them.
They might have thought, Oh we have counter snipers here here and here, not fully realizing that they were still giving up the high point in the area. USSS and Butler County counter snipers were inside the secure area where you had to pass through the metal detectors.
The other thing that happened is that roof had a bit of a slope which means if you were on one side of the slope, you are not visible to the USSS counter snipers on the barn behind the stage. None of the counter snipers and a shot to the back of that building. There was a blind spot. That's probably why you see a counter sniper looking through his scope and then look up and look with his eyes. Then come down and shoot.
Essentially the screw-up was they did not have full command of the high points of the area and full visibility to the high points of the area.
I saw many X personalities immediately put out tweets condemning the BTPD officer as a weak cowardly like the Uvalde officers. I knew this story was BS. I called some of these accounts out for passing around obvious deep state disinfo. These popular X accounts are susceptible to deep state manipulation because of their want for as much engagement as possible.
So it was state police everyone was yelling to, about the shooter? I get what this fella is saying. Good for him speaking up. But there were a bunch of non SS agents there. Why were they not “radioed” to the SS? A simple “we have a possible shooter situation” to a SS agent would’ve been helpful and saved a man’s life.
This Is what I want to know. Why no radio comms to entire police force and SS on site when this cop supposedly fell off the ladder? There was 2 minutes to act. The SS near Trump never got a call because they didn't flinch until shots were fired. Why?
Radio communication to the full team did happen. At least before he had his gun out and was just walking around acting suspicious.
And they tried to find him, but could not.
I think once he took his gun out, it went relatively quickly. I don't he had his gun out until like the last 10 minutes. Speculation but the first witness we know who saw him with a gun said he was already crawling on the roof. And Trump had been speaking for a few minutes.
So now we have a full blown threat and a ticking clock
We're pointing at him, the police are down there running around on the ground, we're like 'Hey man, there's a guy on the roof with a rifle'... and the police did not know what was going on.
I think they were just shouting and pointing. Because it was not instant communication.
Mr Smith said he tried to alert the authorities for three to four minutes, but thought they probably could not see the gunman because of the slope of the roof.
So a local cop was alerted, tried to climb on the roof, they gunman drew on him and he let go of the ledge, it was seconds later he opened fire.
It would interesting to know how all that communication went down, but all this cascade of issues and breakdowns stem from, that roof wasn't secured or in full site of the sniper set up.
“Before he had his gun out “..he wasn’t carrying a pistol, how does a person hide an AR under a t-shirt and jeans. They don’t. People have said they saw him with rifle slung over his shoulder. He wasn’t hiding anything. And I highly doubt the SS, who searched him earlier, found his shooter scope, and then even reported seeing him looking directly at the counter snipers with said scope. This guy was on radar when he was in line for the rally. Probably hours before Trump even showed up. And they lose him? Total incompetence. Or planned. It’s one or the other. But this guy got a hard pass to continue with his mission, imo.
And also why would a cop, go Rambo, and try to take out a shooter without radioing SS who was literally a rooftop away. Or radio anyone other than, “I got this!” So now we now it was not any local cops. At best it was state police. Or, people dressed as police.
I’m not disagreeing with what you saying I’m just adding to.
Before he had his gun out “..he wasn’t carrying a pistol, how does a person hide an AR under a t-shirt and jeans.
But we have two pictures of him in just a t-shirt and jeans with no gun. So where was it?.
My speculation is he had a bag stashed someplace. But this is one of the big questions
People have said they saw him with rifle slung over his shoulder.
I haven't seen this. Sauce.
The first I'm aware of is the guy who talked to the BBC said he saw him crawling towards the roof with a gun. So I'm wondering is that the first report of a gun.
This guy was on radar when he was in line for the rally.
I've been thinking this of two phases. One is on the radar or the suspicious phase. And two when his gun out which is active threat. I don't know if we know when that changed. I don't know when the first report of him having his gun out was. There's video that came out of him way in the background of the video looking up at the buildings but he didn't have a gun. Didn't even have a bag with him at that time.
I’m not disagreeing with what you saying I’m just adding to.
Cheers.
I'm trying to nail down a timeline. I think people are too often affected by a hindsight as 20/20 syndrome. And are acting like he was walking around with his gun out for an hour. He wasn't.
This article has some more info. They saw him a couple of times. No backpack. Later with a backpack. Was seen with range finder minutes before shooting. I don't know that SS searched him. I remember hearing he didn't got through the metal detector, and that alerted folks.
saw him looking through a rangefinder minutes before he tried to assassinate the former president
The local cop didn't go Rambo, he was responding to a call for backup
The local sniper team called for backup — alerting the command post that the gunman had a backpack and was walking toward the back of the building.
By the time other local officers responded to the backup request, the gunman had scaled the building, positioning himself above and behind the local snipers inside the building, according to the officer.
I’m looking for the link posted yesterday about the spotter scope being found on him(security checkpoint) while he was in line trying to get into the rally. They allowed him in with it. I myself have never been to a Trump rally, but I wonder, if your checked through at the “gate” are you allowed to go back to your car? Like at a football stadium, even for a band competition, you are allowed to go back to your car, but you have to go through security to get back in at any point. This guy wasn’t walking around all day with a rifle, so I assume his car. Now his car had to be parked a ways away, I figure. With the rest of the crowd. SS should have….”should have” had other areas blocked off like they always do. They don’t allow access points from multiple positions. That’s just typical security. So this guy was either handed a rifle, within feet of the building, or he walked across a football field with a “stiff arm” covering a rifle. Both involved accomplices, or incompetence. And both unacceptable. Especially at a 150yrds away. That’s visible to the human eye.
I do not think he was ever allowed in. And the rangefinder was knownabout after he was acting suspicious.
Recent timeline
5:10 p.m. Crooks was first identified as a person of interest.
5:30 Crooks was spotted with a rangefinder
5:52 Crooks was spotted on the roof by Secret Service
So he was on the roof before Trump hit the stage at 6:02. WTH?
Yea the timeline has been very weird. First guy I heard from was the guy “with the hair hat”. He said the shooter got up there and was firing within 2 mins. And Trump just started speaking. Next person I hear from, was a group of people said he had been speaking for 10-15 mins, before they saw the shooter getting into position. That’s a good 10 min gap. A huge amount of time. Meanwhile SS is clueless?
Also, here is a link to, “those people”. Shhh don’t tell anyone I linked them, but they have the picture I want, just I don’t recommend reading anything much after. On the headline the video still under shows the gunman carrying his AR openly walking towards the building. You can see him holding around the lower barrel area, while the stock is higher up by his underarm. Clearly visible. Not alingniver the shoulder has I’ve heard but carrying it openly no doubt. What he just walk from his car all the way there? Signs point to yes imo.
Edit. Watching the video it’s harder for me to see. But the still looks like the rifle. But when he walks back it looks like it’s gone. Did he stash it?
No. I have seen this video blown up. Pretty certain he has no gun.
Also one of the counters snipers inside the building noticed him looking up at the building and called it in. This looks like this is that moment. They did not see a gun.
This is what I mean about nailing down the facts, lot gets added/lost as folks comment on this.
I'm super curious about that 5:52 report. Did Secret Service actually see him or did somebody else see him and report it at that moment. And the lost time was trying to confirm that report and get eyes on him.
They're armed. They are fully capable of policing a township. For larger standoffs or more complicated situations the Butler Sate Police Barricks is only a couple miles away and have access to a lot more of our tax dollars.
I saw that too. The BTPD is a small township police force. The PA State Police have snipers but the BTPD doesn't. If the township needed a sniper they'd call the State Police.
The first two were stationed inside the secure area where you have to pass through the metal detectors.
Beaver County was stationed inside an AGR building looking out over the crowd. No one was on top of this building and the perimeter of the building was not secured.
I do think it would have forced a different outcome but I think more than just the shooter would have died that way too. I can see him killing anyone in his path of escape if bullets started flying... it's a tough call to make to be the one who elevates a situation to the deadly force level. Yearick may have snuck over and shot both cops while dealing with the injury to the one who fell? Hard to say and I don't blame him for his hard decisions in an intense moment. Those two did go check it out when no one else responded.
The first two were set up inside the Secure Perimeter and were on rooftops (I think all were on rooftops)
Beaver county was outside the secure perimeter inside a building looking out over the crowd. This building was adjacent to the AGR building Crooks climbed on to
So them not being on the roof was a mistake. But USSS is responsible for the plan
There was also a request for a police car to be stationed near that building, but supposedly they didn't have the manpower
The SS has been caught trying to kill one of its protectors. The SS, like the FBI, can never be trusted again. The United States will have to take over the SS job.
There was no ladder. The one who peaked over the edge of the roof was using his hands to pull himself up. U/2nd enthusiasts sites an interview in his comments above. It's worth a watch.
Pictures of the ladder started appearing Saturday evening. Who knows where it came from or when it showed up.... it could have been AGR's ladder they found and used to go up and check out the body?
Small town, small force. Probably not enough officers to both police the town and the event. It was enough for them to direct traffic, which was probably a significant issue.
They are a township and not the City of Butler's police force. They claim they were assigned traffic management and had no officers specifically at the event.
Doesn't matter. There was a security lapse and all involved are at fault for failing to neutralize the threat by any means necessary. Why did the officer n Ed someone to lift him up when there were ladders in the area that, if used, would've left the officer free to draw his weapon and properly confront the assassin?
This ame game needs to stop and all responsible parties need to own up to t fact that some very serious an egregious security lapses took place, regardless of "which agency" had tactical/strategic command."
This doesn't surprise me in the least. There was a huge screw-up and the feds are covering their own fannies.
The police are possily CYA with this statement, or at least the commissioner is.
The only question is then who screwed up, or who turned a blind eye. (incompetence vs. malign intent)
However, there are lots of reports that that building was a local law enforcement staging point. https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1721255537173859.png - ABC News - so take with grain of salt. I tend to believe the tweet from the man more.
Believe the local man. I have connections in that area. Slupe told the feds to get lost when they came asking for the concealed carry holder names in Butler county. He is a yuge 2a supporter and patriot all the way. The BTPD are patriots of a small township of patriots. That police force is not going to go for any of this corruption.
I would trust local over feds every time..
Yes. This is why I posted the OP
The building or or the adjacent building from the same company had police inside it. There was a counter sniper team from Beaver County which is the next County over inside that building. What they did not have and it seems obvious in retrospect that they should is they did not have police around the perimeter of that building or counter snipers on the roof of that building. Us Secret Service is responsible for the overall plan. So ultimately it's on them.
They might have thought, Oh we have counter snipers here here and here, not fully realizing that they were still giving up the high point in the area. USSS and Butler County counter snipers were inside the secure area where you had to pass through the metal detectors.
The other thing that happened is that roof had a bit of a slope which means if you were on one side of the slope, you are not visible to the USSS counter snipers on the barn behind the stage. None of the counter snipers and a shot to the back of that building. There was a blind spot. That's probably why you see a counter sniper looking through his scope and then look up and look with his eyes. Then come down and shoot.
Essentially the screw-up was they did not have full command of the high points of the area and full visibility to the high points of the area.
Questions I have.
How did police first hear about a gun? Was the guy who spoke to the BBC the first witness.
How did they first hear about a gun on a roof? I'm hearing he might have been up there for 10 minutes.
What info the cop checking out have? Did he know about the gun?
What's the normal decision factors to have the secret service step in early to take Trump off the stage. What info did they have?
What was the exact viewpoint of the teams that fired on the shooter?
Great questions fren.
Thanks I'm trying pin down what can be known. Or who would have known it and at one time.
And some folks are given me flak for it
I saw many X personalities immediately put out tweets condemning the BTPD officer as a weak cowardly like the Uvalde officers. I knew this story was BS. I called some of these accounts out for passing around obvious deep state disinfo. These popular X accounts are susceptible to deep state manipulation because of their want for as much engagement as possible.
I would tend to believe this Sheriff.
When Antifa came to Butler during the George Floyd debacle the Sherrif deputized as many citizens as he could.
When Antifa showed up there was citizens that line both sides of the streets with ARs up through Butler.
Antifa quietly left.
So it was state police everyone was yelling to, about the shooter? I get what this fella is saying. Good for him speaking up. But there were a bunch of non SS agents there. Why were they not “radioed” to the SS? A simple “we have a possible shooter situation” to a SS agent would’ve been helpful and saved a man’s life.
This Is what I want to know. Why no radio comms to entire police force and SS on site when this cop supposedly fell off the ladder? There was 2 minutes to act. The SS near Trump never got a call because they didn't flinch until shots were fired. Why?
Radio communication to the full team did happen. At least before he had his gun out and was just walking around acting suspicious. And they tried to find him, but could not. I think once he took his gun out, it went relatively quickly. I don't he had his gun out until like the last 10 minutes. Speculation but the first witness we know who saw him with a gun said he was already crawling on the roof. And Trump had been speaking for a few minutes. So now we have a full blown threat and a ticking clock
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4v7v2g5l1o It seems they noticed him with a gun before any police and they were not close to the police.
I think they were just shouting and pointing. Because it was not instant communication.
So a local cop was alerted, tried to climb on the roof, they gunman drew on him and he let go of the ledge, it was seconds later he opened fire.
It would interesting to know how all that communication went down, but all this cascade of issues and breakdowns stem from, that roof wasn't secured or in full site of the sniper set up.
“Before he had his gun out “..he wasn’t carrying a pistol, how does a person hide an AR under a t-shirt and jeans. They don’t. People have said they saw him with rifle slung over his shoulder. He wasn’t hiding anything. And I highly doubt the SS, who searched him earlier, found his shooter scope, and then even reported seeing him looking directly at the counter snipers with said scope. This guy was on radar when he was in line for the rally. Probably hours before Trump even showed up. And they lose him? Total incompetence. Or planned. It’s one or the other. But this guy got a hard pass to continue with his mission, imo.
And also why would a cop, go Rambo, and try to take out a shooter without radioing SS who was literally a rooftop away. Or radio anyone other than, “I got this!” So now we now it was not any local cops. At best it was state police. Or, people dressed as police.
I’m not disagreeing with what you saying I’m just adding to.
But we have two pictures of him in just a t-shirt and jeans with no gun. So where was it?.
My speculation is he had a bag stashed someplace. But this is one of the big questions
I haven't seen this. Sauce. The first I'm aware of is the guy who talked to the BBC said he saw him crawling towards the roof with a gun. So I'm wondering is that the first report of a gun.
I've been thinking this of two phases. One is on the radar or the suspicious phase. And two when his gun out which is active threat. I don't know if we know when that changed. I don't know when the first report of him having his gun out was. There's video that came out of him way in the background of the video looking up at the buildings but he didn't have a gun. Didn't even have a bag with him at that time.
Cheers.
I'm trying to nail down a timeline. I think people are too often affected by a hindsight as 20/20 syndrome. And are acting like he was walking around with his gun out for an hour. He wasn't.
This article has some more info. They saw him a couple of times. No backpack. Later with a backpack. Was seen with range finder minutes before shooting. I don't know that SS searched him. I remember hearing he didn't got through the metal detector, and that alerted folks.
The local cop didn't go Rambo, he was responding to a call for backup
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sniper-picture-trump-rally-shooter-rangefinder-assassination-attempt/
I’m looking for the link posted yesterday about the spotter scope being found on him(security checkpoint) while he was in line trying to get into the rally. They allowed him in with it. I myself have never been to a Trump rally, but I wonder, if your checked through at the “gate” are you allowed to go back to your car? Like at a football stadium, even for a band competition, you are allowed to go back to your car, but you have to go through security to get back in at any point. This guy wasn’t walking around all day with a rifle, so I assume his car. Now his car had to be parked a ways away, I figure. With the rest of the crowd. SS should have….”should have” had other areas blocked off like they always do. They don’t allow access points from multiple positions. That’s just typical security. So this guy was either handed a rifle, within feet of the building, or he walked across a football field with a “stiff arm” covering a rifle. Both involved accomplices, or incompetence. And both unacceptable. Especially at a 150yrds away. That’s visible to the human eye.
I do not think he was ever allowed in. And the rangefinder was knownabout after he was acting suspicious.
Recent timeline
So he was on the roof before Trump hit the stage at 6:02. WTH?
https://abc7ny.com/post/trump-assassination-attempt-fbi-examines-thomas-matthew-crooks/15064141/
Yea the timeline has been very weird. First guy I heard from was the guy “with the hair hat”. He said the shooter got up there and was firing within 2 mins. And Trump just started speaking. Next person I hear from, was a group of people said he had been speaking for 10-15 mins, before they saw the shooter getting into position. That’s a good 10 min gap. A huge amount of time. Meanwhile SS is clueless?
Also, here is a link to, “those people”. Shhh don’t tell anyone I linked them, but they have the picture I want, just I don’t recommend reading anything much after. On the headline the video still under shows the gunman carrying his AR openly walking towards the building. You can see him holding around the lower barrel area, while the stock is higher up by his underarm. Clearly visible. Not alingniver the shoulder has I’ve heard but carrying it openly no doubt. What he just walk from his car all the way there? Signs point to yes imo.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/17/politics/thomas-matthew-crooks-trump-shooter
Edit. Watching the video it’s harder for me to see. But the still looks like the rifle. But when he walks back it looks like it’s gone. Did he stash it?
No. I have seen this video blown up. Pretty certain he has no gun.
Also one of the counters snipers inside the building noticed him looking up at the building and called it in. This looks like this is that moment. They did not see a gun.
This is what I mean about nailing down the facts, lot gets added/lost as folks comment on this.
I'm super curious about that 5:52 report. Did Secret Service actually see him or did somebody else see him and report it at that moment. And the lost time was trying to confirm that report and get eyes on him.
Why!!!!!!! was the local cops the guys climbing the ladder to respond to this?!!! Who were the cops walking around AGR and where were they at?
Edit: Natali doesn't mention the ladder...
It was local traffic cop. they were directing traffic and were alerted by the yelling. So I suspect not armed.
They're armed. They are fully capable of policing a township. For larger standoffs or more complicated situations the Butler Sate Police Barricks is only a couple miles away and have access to a lot more of our tax dollars.
Snipers had police on the backs ?
I saw that too. The BTPD is a small township police force. The PA State Police have snipers but the BTPD doesn't. If the township needed a sniper they'd call the State Police.
Three teams of counter snipers
USSS
BUTLER COUNTY
BEAVER COUNTY
The first two were stationed inside the secure area where you have to pass through the metal detectors.
Beaver County was stationed inside an AGR building looking out over the crowd. No one was on top of this building and the perimeter of the building was not secured.
The cop who got close was boosted up by another cop.
SS Director just got caught lying to everyone. it's a cover up,she's going to hang for conspiracy to assassinate a previous president.
Not Sheriff Slope 🤷♀️
sauce, he was interviewed by fox- https://x.com/TheKingDude/status/1813661770164133914
That's good sauce.
You would think the office that fell would have taken his weapon and fired it in the air or ground to alert other security!
Perhaps they had radio comms going and thought best not to scare the general public?
If he had fired a shot, maybe they would have acted sooner.
I do think it would have forced a different outcome but I think more than just the shooter would have died that way too. I can see him killing anyone in his path of escape if bullets started flying... it's a tough call to make to be the one who elevates a situation to the deadly force level. Yearick may have snuck over and shot both cops while dealing with the injury to the one who fell? Hard to say and I don't blame him for his hard decisions in an intense moment. Those two did go check it out when no one else responded.
We will never know but it could be that Trump would not have been shot and the fireman was not killed but others may have died also!
There were three sets of counter Snipers
USSS
Butler County
Beaver County
The first two were set up inside the Secure Perimeter and were on rooftops (I think all were on rooftops) Beaver county was outside the secure perimeter inside a building looking out over the crowd. This building was adjacent to the AGR building Crooks climbed on to
So them not being on the roof was a mistake. But USSS is responsible for the plan
There was also a request for a police car to be stationed near that building, but supposedly they didn't have the manpower
Details here. Can't copy and paste, but they said a lack of manpower and extremely poor planning out Trump at risk
https://beavercountian.com/content/daily/beaver-county-officer-warned-of-seeing-man-with-rangefinder-before-trump-was-shot
TRUMP SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ONSTAGE. period. Whose decision or mIsComMuniCation??? What are all those earpieces for anyway??????c mon man
The SS has been caught trying to kill one of its protectors. The SS, like the FBI, can never be trusted again. The United States will have to take over the SS job.
So, when peeking over a roof at a known threat, ensure you don't have your weapon ready. 🤡
There was no ladder. The one who peaked over the edge of the roof was using his hands to pull himself up. U/2nd enthusiasts sites an interview in his comments above. It's worth a watch.
Wait where can I read that an officer fell off the ladder?!
I don't think there was a ladder. There's a lower side to that building and one cop, boosted up another cop.
But the first day, this story was reported as a cop climbing back down a ladder
Pictures of the ladder started appearing Saturday evening. Who knows where it came from or when it showed up.... it could have been AGR's ladder they found and used to go up and check out the body?
There was like 4 LEO/USSS standing on the roof over his dead body, so it could have been theirs
I have no clue as to protocol or procedure for such, but I can't help to wonder how does local law enforcement not have a presence?
Small town, small force. Probably not enough officers to both police the town and the event. It was enough for them to direct traffic, which was probably a significant issue.
They are a township and not the City of Butler's police force. They claim they were assigned traffic management and had no officers specifically at the event.
Doesn't matter. There was a security lapse and all involved are at fault for failing to neutralize the threat by any means necessary. Why did the officer n Ed someone to lift him up when there were ladders in the area that, if used, would've left the officer free to draw his weapon and properly confront the assassin?
This ame game needs to stop and all responsible parties need to own up to t fact that some very serious an egregious security lapses took place, regardless of "which agency" had tactical/strategic command."