Natural Born Citizen. What did the founders mean Redux? How does that requirement affect the president Obama and those running for that office. By RA Love I’m often stunned to hear officials and lay people try to re-define the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. This phrase appears in the constitution as part of the requirements for the President and Vice President. Article II Section 1.5 states: No person except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. The statement seems pretty clear except for the first line up to the comma. We need to define NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and what the founders meant by “or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”,. Lets tackle the last part of the line first: “or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,.” Quite simply this lets the founders and other men of age (at that time) to be eligible for the office. Without this wordings there could be no one elected as president because at that time there was no person that fit the definition of Natural Born Citizen ( in the new United States). As part of that definition you had to be a citizen of the United States for 14 years. Because the republic was brand new, the founders were saying that if you were a citizen at the time of the adoption of the document then you were eligible. Now lets take a look at the part in question NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Natural Born Citizen is an interesting phrase. The thought that the framers would use that term for it just to mean a citizen born naturally by natural birth seems strange, as birth and natural born were most likely assumed at the time. So, it must mean something special. The framers new that in order to have a union that was secure and free from outside influence such as elected officials that might be influenced by foreign governments, they had to make sure that the founding documents had some written provision that excluded outside influence. Therefore the term Natural Born Citizen. But what does it actually mean? Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “The Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19, iit reads: § 212. Of the citizens and natives. (bold is mine) “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” Vattel definies the term quite eloquently. This is the meaning that the founders were referring to. But there is a problem. How are we to know that is what the founders were referring? Vattel wrote the Law Of Nations in French, did any of the founders even speak French as well as read the French language? This from the professional interpreter,dated July 4th 2012: Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, first Secretary of State under Washington, and our third President spoke English, French, Italian, Latin, and he could read Greek, and Spanish. Benjamin Franklin, America’s first diplomat and well-known genius spoke English, French and Italian. Our second President: John Adams spoke English, French and Latin. President James Madison spoke English, Greek, Latin and Hebrew. James Monroe spoke English and French. So there we have it. The only thing we need to do is link the founding fathers with Vattel. In the memoirs, coorispondence and misalliance notes of Thomas Jefferson volume 3, Jefferson quotes Vattel in French. He refers to Vattel as an elightened an disinterested judge. This to any should be the final nail in the coffin, however many still are deaf blind and dumb. This by ether by design or ignorance is the crux of the matter. For there can be no doubt of the meaning of the term and what the founders were trying to say. We can also be of no doubt the POTUS (Obama) was never qualified to be president. By his own admission his father was a british subject. Obama’s qualification to be president was overlooked on purpose by the democrats and the wording of the document for his qualification was altered just slightly so as to look like it conformed to the constitutional requirements. Nancy Pelosi was right in the middle of the entire conspriacy. This would have been a simple problem to resolve. However our senators, representatives and yes even the Supreme Court refuses to address the issue. The complicit main stream press continues to ignore every piece of evidence licking the boots of the usurper Obama. The 2016 elections: Ted Cruz was born in Canada December 22,1970. His mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth but his father was not. His father later became a citizen in 2005. This is not what Vattel was saying. Naturalized citizen is not part of the narrative. Ted Cruz by Definition of natural born citizen is not eligible to be president. Marco Rubio mother and father were Cuban citizens naturalized in 1975. This was 4 years after Marco’s birth in Miami on May 28 1971. This from Wikipedia: Rubio was born in Miami, Florida,[2] the second son and third child of Mario Rubio and Oria Garcia. His parents were Cubans who had immigrated to the United States in 1956 and were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 1975. Folks I did not make this up. I am disturbed by the fact that Cruz is supposed to be a constitutional scholar and has not figured this out. Naturalized citizen is NOT the same as NATURAL BORN as defined by Vattel. The sad part is everybody knows this, the Supreme Court the press and most all of the senators and representatives who aren’t purposefully keeping there heads in the sand or ignoring it. Both Cruz and Rubio know that the left will never bring this up because of Obama’s non-eligibility. However this still doesn’t make it right. Many over the years have been trying to define or fix the phrase Natural Born Citizen. In my view you must go back to Vattel for the the original definition.
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Much appreciated been trying to get people to listen maybe this Kamila thing will get some traction.
I am with you on this, I have posted about all the candidates that are not eligible on other sites since 2016.
"Born of two US Citizen parents" affirmed by 1875 SC decision "Minor vs Happersett". Decision written by then Chief Justice and passed unanimously. Search for this case was obscured during Obama run for president. The case did not address citizenship primarily but had to define the various types to reach case decision. Nevertheless, Supreme Court precedent.
The meaning was also written into a naturalization law concerning children born overseas. But it was unnecessary because children born to citizen parents don’t need to be naturalized. We are citizens by blood, not geography. A purposeful change from the English feudal system. So we can confirm what they meant.
There’s one loophole: a citizen father can convey citizenship to his wife for this purpose. Thusly all the Trump children are eligible.
Obama was never actually a citizen. The law at that time didn’t allow the mother to convey citizenship to him due to her age. He was considered a citizen of England and never naturalized. Not that it mattered, but he was not born in Hawaii.
I believe that Trump will annul both the Bidan and Obama presidencies. Returning the diamonds, such as judicial appointments.
They ignored this requirement with Obama, and will ignore it again.
She was ineligible to be VP, as the VP needs to already qualify as President and be ready to step in.
In order to make a paragraph break, you need to press enter twice. I tried to read this, and it seems like you are doing a good job, but it is WAY too hard for me to read it as a wall of text.
Please reformat it so that it can be read more easily.
It would be good if the OP could fix his formatting. But to say that it's so bad it cannot be read is laziness. It's an excellent post and is worth the effort to work through it. It wasn't that hard for me to read it.
There are 50M things to read, investigate, demanding of the attention. it is incumbent on the bringer of information to ensure that what they bring does not take extra steps, or extra effort, just to get to the point where a reader can digest it.
To call someone "lazy" because they don't want to take the time to copy/paste the information into a word processor and fix the piece so that it can be read at all is ludicrous. That's not the job of the reader. It's the job of the writer. Every single writer on the planet knows that, as does every single reader.
I was trying to be helpful to the author. I guarantee that the vast majority of people that came to this wall of text simply skipped it before attempting to read it. The extra effort required is not worth it to the vast majority. That is simply how it is.
Not everyone is the same. For me it was so difficult I had to stop, even though it seemed interesting.
Perhaps you have some kind of TLDR problem. The "vast majority of people" out in the public also seem to have a TLDR problem. They just don't want to bothered with reading anything longer than 30 or 40 words. Those of us with brains had no trouble scanning through it to see the general content and then go back to read in detail. I was taught that in school. Scan and then read. Formatting is a word processing problem, and most people are not professional word processing people. I actually am one, but I still have no problem reading.
I read book, after book, after book, etc. I have read thousands of books. Probably tens of thousands of books. I've read three books in the past week. I've even written a book.
I can't read a wall of text. I can't scan it like that. I lose the line, then have to try to find it again. It hurts my eyes and gives me a huge headache.
Everyone is different. It doesn't make me stupid, it just means I can't read a wall of text. Such a thing is difficult for most people though, which is why our language is designed to break things up in paragraphs, pages, chapters, put in titles, italics, commas, periods, etc. The entire English language is designed specifically to put in breaks so that people can read it, because scanning long lists of lines is not something the human brain was designed to do. That doesn't mean some people can't do it, but it's not a "natural thing" and it doesn't "make you smart" if you can. It just means you can. Congratulations.
Perhaps it's related to my mild dyslexia, perhaps it has nothing to do with that. I don't know, but I can't read it as it is. It is a completely fair ask to ask the author to put in paragraph breaks, just like every single other written document on the planet, so that everyone can read it.
I'm glad I can read whatever I want, no matter how it's formatted.
BTW, I have written a number of books. The rough draft of my current one is almost 1,300 pages.
I started reading your site. Does it get to Blackrock and the other company that, between them, have their fingers in almost all companies worth anything?
I do talk about Blackrock specifically in several places, but it is far more than an exposure of Blackrock. If you read it, you will see substantial evidence (beyond a reasonable doubt) that Blackrock is just a front organization. There is only one company in the world. All the different "corporations" (legal fictions) we see are simply fronts for that one corporation.
It was a cut and paste from my archive. I’ve tried to that before but had problems. Thanks for the suggestion.
When I have difficulty reading complex writings, I often copy it and paste it onto a word document, then I can edit, as in paragraph spacing, as needed for my own understanding.
Some people just complain instead of trying to fix things. If I wanted to keep the above text, I would copy it into WordPerfect and format it as I wish, including highlighting and paragraph breaks.
Well done.