After the LV shooting I always look into police chiefs. The LV chief ended up a year later as the Lahaina chief - fancy that. The Chief of Police in PA retired suddenly just shy of 30 days prior to the shooting. He was already on vacation when he resigned and didn't return to work. It sounded like it was a surprise to everyone. This guy had come out of retirement to take the job as chief. From what I have been able to gather about him is that he ended up saving the department. There has been funding problems for years and he managed to get a much needed influx of cash from the city to keep the department going and update some equipment - like bodycams and older communications equipment. Otherwise the city was looking at disbanding its police dept and coming under the County Sherriff. At the time of the shooting there was a lieutenant currently on the force that stepped in as acting chief till the city could get a new chief. The city hired another current member of the department as chief but it doesn't appear that he had officially started working yet in the position.
It is a very small township police dept without a lot of resources. A good choice if wanting to set the stage for huge security gaps. What I have been able to find out by listening to the interviews of the officers is that they had assignments such as traffic control and manning the metal detectors. A couple of officers on traffic detail heard over the radio about a suspicious actor and were the ones that encountered the "shooter" on the roof. The retired chief in some of his interviews seems to hint at the fact that he knows they will try to pin some of the blame on his guys for the failure so he is very clear about that roof being someone else's job. It doesn't sound like they were even in the security information loop. Also, this now retired chief is a huge 2A supporter and refused to enforce any bogus gun laws. In his interviews it sounds like he is not a progressive wokie. It is just curious to me that he retired so suddenly the way he did so close to the time of the shooting. Coincidence or did he know something?
Understand that in this area there is State Police, a County Sherif, the City of Butler Police and then the Butler Township Police Department. Butler Township is the township next to the city of Butler on it's West and is where the venue is located. The township Police had the traffic duty. I'm pretty sure the City Police had nothing to do with this.
Thanks for the clarification. All I know is that the chief tried to make sure that his dept was not responsible for the security failure. All the hands in the pie makes it difficult to know who was supposed to be responsible for what. It should never happen again.
Read the last text. 30 caliber = 7.62 mm, SKS or AK, VERY distinct sounds and VERY loud, much like their big cousin the 30-06. It would be like hearing a shotgun blast among people plinking with .22 long rifles at the river.
Loud as hell when open muzzle. Suppressed … sounds like a .22. The supersonic crack from the bullet displacing air is louder than the muzzle out gassing (report) if the rifle is suppressed.
For those unfamiliar, the loud nature of a rifle shot is proportional to the caliber of the round. The noise/blast comes from the rapid displacement of air as the detonated propellant out gasses from the muzzle (hence the term muzzle blast). Exactly the same principles of a thunder clap. It not the lightning strike/impact that generates the noise, it is the rapid displacement of air that created a “sonic shockwave”.
Odd. A '30 caliber's is a 7.62 mm round. You would see this especially if an SKS or AK-47 was involved. I first learned it had a distinctive sound by watching Full Metal Jacket daily in the months before shipping out to MCRD San Diego, and then learned in person a little later in life. I find it strange that the term 30 caliber was used, the only time I've ever mentioned or heard 30 used in gun talk was when speaking of the 30-06, and there's no way one of these were used it it would have been very obvious. Just a weird thing to say in my opinion.
The local cops need to keep their heads on a swivel. The Deep State has a tendency of tying up loose ends that know too much.
After the LV shooting I always look into police chiefs. The LV chief ended up a year later as the Lahaina chief - fancy that. The Chief of Police in PA retired suddenly just shy of 30 days prior to the shooting. He was already on vacation when he resigned and didn't return to work. It sounded like it was a surprise to everyone. This guy had come out of retirement to take the job as chief. From what I have been able to gather about him is that he ended up saving the department. There has been funding problems for years and he managed to get a much needed influx of cash from the city to keep the department going and update some equipment - like bodycams and older communications equipment. Otherwise the city was looking at disbanding its police dept and coming under the County Sherriff. At the time of the shooting there was a lieutenant currently on the force that stepped in as acting chief till the city could get a new chief. The city hired another current member of the department as chief but it doesn't appear that he had officially started working yet in the position.
It is a very small township police dept without a lot of resources. A good choice if wanting to set the stage for huge security gaps. What I have been able to find out by listening to the interviews of the officers is that they had assignments such as traffic control and manning the metal detectors. A couple of officers on traffic detail heard over the radio about a suspicious actor and were the ones that encountered the "shooter" on the roof. The retired chief in some of his interviews seems to hint at the fact that he knows they will try to pin some of the blame on his guys for the failure so he is very clear about that roof being someone else's job. It doesn't sound like they were even in the security information loop. Also, this now retired chief is a huge 2A supporter and refused to enforce any bogus gun laws. In his interviews it sounds like he is not a progressive wokie. It is just curious to me that he retired so suddenly the way he did so close to the time of the shooting. Coincidence or did he know something?
Understand that in this area there is State Police, a County Sherif, the City of Butler Police and then the Butler Township Police Department. Butler Township is the township next to the city of Butler on it's West and is where the venue is located. The township Police had the traffic duty. I'm pretty sure the City Police had nothing to do with this.
Thanks for the clarification. All I know is that the chief tried to make sure that his dept was not responsible for the security failure. All the hands in the pie makes it difficult to know who was supposed to be responsible for what. It should never happen again.
Thanks for the info!
Vegas has a sheriff not a chief and it was the undersherrif who went to lahaina. The sheriff is now governor.
There is a Clark County Sheriff and a LV Police Dept. The chief of Lahaina's PD was the former chief of LVPD who was chief during the LV shooting.
Local police probably counted the empty cases,and know their was another shooter.
Where is this from and why is the image cut off at these points and not show more of the conversation?
Is that from X ?
I think this is crap I have heard a 30 calibre fired and there was nothing that sounded like that in the videos.
It says it was upward trajectory from a 30 caliber rifle or the bullet wouldn’t have 2 with 1.
Read the last text. 30 caliber = 7.62 mm, SKS or AK, VERY distinct sounds and VERY loud, much like their big cousin the 30-06. It would be like hearing a shotgun blast among people plinking with .22 long rifles at the river.
Loud as hell when open muzzle. Suppressed … sounds like a .22. The supersonic crack from the bullet displacing air is louder than the muzzle out gassing (report) if the rifle is suppressed.
For those unfamiliar, the loud nature of a rifle shot is proportional to the caliber of the round. The noise/blast comes from the rapid displacement of air as the detonated propellant out gasses from the muzzle (hence the term muzzle blast). Exactly the same principles of a thunder clap. It not the lightning strike/impact that generates the noise, it is the rapid displacement of air that created a “sonic shockwave”.
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Why don’t the cops then say this?
I thought the sound analysis said the shots came from the same distance as the water tower.
There’s definitely some fuckery afoot. And disinformation.
You throw out some bullshit then show how that bullshit is false, then suddenly everything except the official story is false.
Odd. A '30 caliber's is a 7.62 mm round. You would see this especially if an SKS or AK-47 was involved. I first learned it had a distinctive sound by watching Full Metal Jacket daily in the months before shipping out to MCRD San Diego, and then learned in person a little later in life. I find it strange that the term 30 caliber was used, the only time I've ever mentioned or heard 30 used in gun talk was when speaking of the 30-06, and there's no way one of these were used it it would have been very obvious. Just a weird thing to say in my opinion.