If you think someone is voting who should not be -- then point at them and accuse them of a crime.
It used to be we have polling stations in precincts small enough that everyone knew each other. We should go back to that. No anonymous voting. If you don't live in the area, and people don't know you, you don't get to vote.
Voting should be private, NOT ANONYMOUS. There is a big difference.
Private voting verifies your identity and existence on the correct voter roll, while who you vote for remains private (to avoid pressure, intimidation, etc.)
I personally think voting should be treated the same as a financial transaction, with proof of identity and a full audit trail of your vote (paper ballots and paper receipt as proof of the "transaction").
PUBLIC RECORD VOTING. Everyone knows who voted and how.
The is no "in between". You can't know who voted but not how they voted.
In terms of who is allowed to vote -- every polling place I ever visited had an election judge right there to determine who is and is not allowed to vote. If you think someone shouldn't be voting, you can sit yourself down in one of those polling places and point to them and challenge them then and there.
My guess is you don't actually KNOW who most of of the people you know actually are, you've taken their word for who they SAID they were. How do you really know your neighbor Bill Smith is actually Bill Smith?
Identity establishes whether he is known to have a problem going on other people's lawns or if he's a convicted child rapist that likes seeding other peoples lawns. Maybe he's just a hot tempered bully that has a history of assaulting other people. I'd like to know this. I understand not all bad people have been caught yet, but enough have that it's worth knowing who you're dealing with.
How do you ensure someone holds up their end of a business relationship if you don't know who they really are? Do you think you can find "your neighbor who said his name was Sam" to collect on a debt if Sam isn't his real name and he moves while you're at work one day?
If they are living in the woods by themselves -- they have no "civil" to have civil liberties in! Do you think the bears or coyotes care whether they are here in the US legally? Or maybe they care whether they've had too much to speak?
When it comes to voting, people forget that votes are not magical. It is the physical presence of a man who declares that not only does he support something, but he has the military arms to back that decision up. Go back to Athens and Rome and go look at what voting meant for them.
The idea that people who exclude themselves from society should have a say in how that society is governed is ridiculous.
If you think someone is voting who should not be -- then point at them and accuse them of a crime.
It used to be we have polling stations in precincts small enough that everyone knew each other. We should go back to that. No anonymous voting. If you don't live in the area, and people don't know you, you don't get to vote.
Voting should be private, NOT ANONYMOUS. There is a big difference.
Private voting verifies your identity and existence on the correct voter roll, while who you vote for remains private (to avoid pressure, intimidation, etc.)
I personally think voting should be treated the same as a financial transaction, with proof of identity and a full audit trail of your vote (paper ballots and paper receipt as proof of the "transaction").
I believe there are only 2 options.
The is no "in between". You can't know who voted but not how they voted.
In terms of who is allowed to vote -- every polling place I ever visited had an election judge right there to determine who is and is not allowed to vote. If you think someone shouldn't be voting, you can sit yourself down in one of those polling places and point to them and challenge them then and there.
My guess is you don't actually KNOW who most of of the people you know actually are, you've taken their word for who they SAID they were. How do you really know your neighbor Bill Smith is actually Bill Smith?
I don't care whether my neighbor is really Bill Smith or not
I only care that he stays off my lawn
If we enter into a business transaction, all I care about is that he holds up his end and I hold up my end.
Identity is overrated. We proved a long time ago that we can have a functioning society on the internet with anonymity.
Identity establishes whether he is known to have a problem going on other people's lawns or if he's a convicted child rapist that likes seeding other peoples lawns. Maybe he's just a hot tempered bully that has a history of assaulting other people. I'd like to know this. I understand not all bad people have been caught yet, but enough have that it's worth knowing who you're dealing with.
How do you ensure someone holds up their end of a business relationship if you don't know who they really are? Do you think you can find "your neighbor who said his name was Sam" to collect on a debt if Sam isn't his real name and he moves while you're at work one day?
Lol people these days don't even know their own neighbors let alone every single person that's going to come through they're polling precinct
That's the problem.
If you can't trust your neighbors, you can't trust the government, and you can't have a society.
It used to be we understood this. A vote represented a man's willingness to posse up.
You're out of your mind
Not everyone knows everyone
Some are off the grid, live in the middle of a corn field, grow their own stuff and keep to themselves
And you're going to deprive them of their civil liberties ?
What civil liberties do you imagine they have?
If they are living in the woods by themselves -- they have no "civil" to have civil liberties in! Do you think the bears or coyotes care whether they are here in the US legally? Or maybe they care whether they've had too much to speak?
When it comes to voting, people forget that votes are not magical. It is the physical presence of a man who declares that not only does he support something, but he has the military arms to back that decision up. Go back to Athens and Rome and go look at what voting meant for them.
The idea that people who exclude themselves from society should have a say in how that society is governed is ridiculous.
So you oppose voter ID?
LET ME BE CLEAR
YOU SHOW UP TO A POLLING PLACE
THERE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS! HI NEIGHBORS! HERE IS YOUR BALLOT! VOTE AWAY!
OH LOOK A STRANGER!!!
"WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE, WE DON'T KNOW YOU!"
"OH I LIVE AT SUCH-AND-SUCH"
"OH NO YOU DON'T BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO LIVES THERE AND YOU DON'T"
"I AM GOING TO TRY AND VOTE ANYWAY!"
"YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!"
Does that make it clear?
It used to be that everyone voted in their PRECINCT. Precincts had like 100 people in them. EVERYONE KNEW EACH OTHER. THERE WERE NO STRANGERS.