FDA ruling on ectasy for PTSD is a bad trip for suffering patients
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Johns Hopkins having good results w psilocybin or you can go to rythmia in Costa Rico and try ayuhusaka
No no no ayahuasca! Opens you to demons! Total scam to make people think they have to travel to a shaman and pay the retreat hosts in order to connect with God and feel one with all that is! The same part of your brain can be accessed through meditation at home, while you're protected by the Holy Spirit. It pisses me off so much that they want to make money off people instead of empowering them!
Meditation and EMDR work for PTSD, along with working on your physical health to support your gut/brain
You have no idea what you're talking about.
No one has the equivalent of an ayahuasca experience through meditation. Why make up something like that? "If it's not the god I believe in it's the devil!"
Have you researched this at all? Ayahuasca = DMT, which is produced by the pineal gland. Meditation also activates the pineal gland. You think you can't experience healing without a large dose of a hallucinogen? That's sad. I'd encourage you to do more research on the effects of meditation on the brain.
I was taught meditation/self hypnosis starting at six years old and learned to induce deep relaxation at will. I have also experienced DMT. There is no comparison whatsoever. Meditation is a vehicle but DMT is a rocket ship to outer space.
Hyperspace - DMT is the most interesting experience(s) I have ever had, and psychedelics were my drug of choice for awhile. Taking a few hits of acid and then taking 'X' about 3 hours in was one of my favorite things to do and listening to psytrance and regular trance music was so enlightening. Ahh, those were the days. For extra 'umph' I would add some whippets too lol
This discussion is about DMT as a treatment for PTSD. As someone who's dealt with PTSD for decades, I believe that rocket ship is not only unnecessary, but potentially harmful. Not to mention expensive. It's wrong to make survivors who are desperate for help think they need to travel out of the country and gamble on something that has as much chance of screwing up their brain chemistry worse as it does of helping. It's just as wrong as doctors prescribing pharmaceuticals as the only treatment.
People need to be empowered with information to understand how to help themselves. Research PTSD in relation to the gut/brain axis, orthomolecular psychiatry, EMDR, and meditation.
I thought the thread was about MDMA. You made a tangential comment about ayahuasca that I responded to.
Thread about an article on ecstasy for ptsd, then someone mentioned ayahuasca, that's what I responded to
PTSD as a diagnosis did not exist until 1980, before that it was shellshock.
But naturally the psychiatric industry loves a new label for an old condition, big money is to be made by them studying and treating it. They tell you that the chemicals (MDMA) are not as important as the medic who is treating you, they do like to have power and authority over you.
False
By Tom Shroder August 15, 2024 at 7:15 a.m. EDT Tom Shroder, a former Post editor, is the author of “Acid Test: LSD, Ecstasy, and the Power to Heal.”
This month, the Food and Drug Administration denied a new drug application by Lykos Therapeutics that would have allowed the first legal medical use of a psychedelic drug. The denial took some by surprise because 20 years of FDA-approved clinical trials had shown dramatic success in treating Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) using a combination of talk therapy and MDMA — the rave drug known as ecstasy. PTSD, a devastating and difficult to treat condition, affects an estimated 13 million Americans and more than 350 million people worldwide.
In the final phase of the trials, encompassing almost 200 subjects with moderate to severe PTSD, just three sessions of MDMA plus therapy relieved symptoms of PTSD in two-thirds of the participants, so that they no longer met the diagnostic criteria for the condition. A six-month follow-up showed the benefits persisted.
The FDA’s denial followed a negative recommendation from an advisory committee. The panel of independent mental health and medical experts gave a handful of reasons for concluding that the seemingly strong results of the studies couldn’t be trusted. Most prominently, they pointed to the fact that the double-blind testing regime — intended to prevent both patient and therapist from knowing if the pill taken was the studied drug or a placebo — was compromised by the unique and well-known impact of psychedelic drugs on consciousness.
This is effectively saying the study was doomed from the start. Of course subjects would realize they got the real thing. Aldous Huxley described the effect of a psychedelic drug, mescaline, the first time he took it. Gazing at a vase of flowers, he saw “the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. What rose and iris and carnation so intensely signified was nothing more, and nothing less, than what they were — a transience that was yet eternal life, a perpetual perishing that was at the same time pure Being, a bundle of minute, unique particulars in which, by some unspeakable and yet self-evident paradox, was to be seen the divine source of all existence.”
That would be hard to miss.
A randomized double-blind study is the FDA’s “gold standard” of pharmacological research, but this one-size-fits-all approach privileges one narrow approach to medicine, the materialistic and mechanistic. MDMA is not intended to have a direct biochemical impact on disease. Instead, it rearranges the mind so that psychic blocks and harmful patterns of thought are transcended and therapy becomes more effective. For pharmaceutical researchers steeped in the mechanics of molecular biology, this can be hard to accept.
Widespread use of psychedelic therapy began more than half a century ago, before the drugs became a countercultural phenomenon and were demonized and prohibited. From the start, therapists remarked that those who had the most positive therapeutic outcomes were those who had the most transcendent experiences.
Transcendence is exactly what’s required to heal conditions such as PTSD, whose victims get locked into a subjective hell. At the same time, the hyper-defensiveness characteristic of PTSD makes them resistant to interventions. It’s like trying to treat a dog with a gaping flesh wound. The animal desperately needs your help, but as you approach, it snarls and snaps. Fear and pain make it incapable of receiving assistance.
MDMA, considered not only a psychedelic but an empathogen for its ability to generate intense feelings of trust and empathy, seems ideal in this situation.
There have been some suggestions that to get a true idea of MDMA’s effectiveness in treating PTSD, it would need to be administered alone, without accompanying talk therapy. But that is missing the point. The drug does not work directly on the disorder. Rather, it enables a positive therapeutic relationship while making psychic wounds less painful. This allows exploration of the disordering trauma without defensiveness or automatic recoil. The same drug-fueled sense of transcendence that makes the double-blind impossible is precisely what allows patients to escape toxic brain loops that have kept them trapped and hopeless. Subjects in the studies, encouraged to talk about the things that have tormented them relentlessly, commonly open up as they have never been able to, saying things like, “I feel protected.”
A typical case is that of the survivor of a sexual assault who reported that she felt like she’d been trapped on an active battlefield, paralyzed among the horror as bullets flew at her. But under the influence of MDMA, she said, “I knew I could walk through it, and I wasn’t afraid. The drug gave me the ability not to fear fear.”
That fearlessness, plus MDMA’s well-documented power to promote feelings of trust and closeness, are an ideal combination for effective therapy. But those same qualities increase the danger of therapeutic malpractice, which the panel also noted in light of an incident of inappropriate sexual contact between study therapists and a subject. This malpractice was reported to proper authorities as soon as it was discovered; the therapists were banned, and safeguards — clear ethical codes, training and monitoring — were reviewed and reinforced.
Yet the incident added to the lingering miasma of distrust of psychedelics and the double-bind of the double-blind. In the end, the panel advised the FDA to reject. The agency took the smaller step of calling for further study.
It’s not clear how this can happen. More study would require millions of dollars Lykos doesn’t have and possibly many years. And unless the medical community can open its own mind to more complex approaches to medicine, there is little point. We must not let narrow ideas of testing come before the needs of veterans, first responders and sexual assault survivors suffering from a cruel disorder.
Nice deep dive. TY.
The FDA can't make money off of it. Both at the FDA and at Big pHARMA where they retire too. Actually if they approve the drug they won't be hired by pHARMA.
Microdosing psychadelics is also meant to be incredibly helpful to those suffering PTSD, anxiety and depression, yet here in Australia the TGA has made it almost impossible to access, as it has to be part of a trial and administered by a psychiatrist, meaning its out of reach of the majority of people wit major mental health issues who could really benefit from it.
That's a shame. Sorry fren.
If you have trouble in your relationship and communication is hard. Take 50-100mg MDMA and it will help you communicate on a deep level that can save the relationship. It takes the filter off and allows free and open communication without fear of judgements or anxieties.
Expand your mind. Not saying go do this, but if it finds you it can be very healing.
Because [they] don't want to see Vets who suffer from PTSD doing well, [they] want us medicated, or dead.
Got PTSD? aka Shell Shock? aka Battle Fatigue? aka Combat Stress?
What you really want to do is take X and go clubbin'...The strobe lights, thunderous bass, in a room packed with strangers is just what you need to heal... maybe pop some and go watch some fireworks. Make sure they're the really BIG stadium size ones that rattle your body cavity like getting thumped in the chest...🙄🙄🙄
These pharma aholes need to be hung...
Its obvious you didnt even bother to read the article before commenting.
Ecstasy is way-way cheaper than their 'approved' synthetic medications so we can't have any of that.