The sabbath is a day of rest and it should be a business concern only. If businesses like Chick-f-la and Hobby Lobby want to be closed on Sundays, I am all for it. The truth is that you could make any day a day of rest and glorify God. The only thing that should concern the federal government when it comes to the sabbath is when Congress conducts its business. Congress telling private businesses such as MLB baseball, the NFL, and the NBA how to conduct their businesses by declaring Sunday the sabbath, is unconstitutional.
Somehow they'll find a way to give themselves authority using the Commerce Clause.
They've used that one thing to usurp control of damn-near everything. They just try to make every aspect of American lives a "business related" deal so they can always (justify) taking over the levers.
We never should have given the US Govt even 1 single authority.
I’m old enough to remember when all businesses closed at noon on Saturday and were closed on Sunday. Those were less hectic days… more time was spent with family.
A business may choose to close whenever they want but we cannot allow religious dogmas to be codified in our government!!! Slippery slope is an understatement, have we learned nothing from the dark ages??
I do agree with the businesses themselves being allowed to close when they want and that the culture has been degraded over time, but that's downstream of what the body of Christ is able to accomplish in the world. We have been systematically suppressed and ridiculed, while the false churches and New Age crap has been glorified and bolstered.
Okay you're apparently completely ignorant of our nations foundational principles.
I'll start with saying as a hardcore reformed Baptist and what the left would call a far right "Christian nationalists" (In reality that just means that I believe the Bible and that Christ just King) And I would be completely against any type of governmental Sabbath restrictions. I would however be in favor of employers respecting religious employees choice to not work on the Sabbath.
That being said are nation was founded as a Christian nation. Separation of church and state doesn't appear in any of our foundational documents. It appears one time in a letter and the context of that letter that you need to understand is that they founders were coming from England and Europe were very specific docturnal positions were interwoven with the government. For example you couldn't disagree on something like infant baptism or divorce without committing an actual crime.
After the the revolution (which England called the Protestant rebellion) the founders in their infinite wisdom and very recent experience decided the federal government couldn't declare specific doctoral religious positions but the states could and many did.
In fact the supreme Court even ruled that the United States is a Christian nation in the case called "Holy Trinity versus United States" in 1892
A large portion of our constitution and almost our entire Bill of Rights was taken out of the general equity of God's law. Meaning it was molded from the framework that God gave us in his word.
Our founding fathers recognized the tea Christian faith was a essential part of the foundational principles and framework of this nation.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
I do not claim the founders were perfect, nor any supreme court justices, or legal opinions from them. God has moved upon the earth in glorious ways, which have led to the truths in His Word becoming "self-evident", when at times past they were not. However, codifying any aspect of any religion, such as a Sunday Law, is in effect forcing that religion's interpretation upon all the people, regardless of whether or not they themselves subscribe to it. Does that make sense? It's a slippery slope. There are even many Christians who disagree with Sunday being the Sabboth, as an example. I know they tried to include this in the Project2025 document but can you not see this spiraling out of hand? It's awful precedent.
At the time of America's founding there was already a mixed multitude among the founders. Many were Christians, many were Freemasons, some were both, others, neither. It is highly nuanced. I don't believe America was founded as a Christian nation, at least not in the sense that most people comprehend that term to mean, but I do believe it was established in accordance to the will of God.
Thank you for underlining the exact point that I made. That means everyone's freedom practice what faith they choose and how to choose it. It doesn't change the fact that the nation is founded as a Christian nation with Christian principles and those freedoms are given under that umbrella.
States are not Congress. States made laws establishing religion. The most recent one would be the Hawaiian Constitution stating that no laws of Hawaii would conflict with the law of Jehovah God.
Go look at that SCOTUS ruling I mentioned. It's a matter of record and ruled on.
Hmmmm.! That is interesting. I never considered that little detail. I asked an AI for some basic understanding of it (as I am not a lawyer):
The U.S. Constitution provides for a separation of church and state, primarily through the First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of religion by the federal government and protects citizens' rights to freely exercise their religion.
This means that while individual states have some latitude to govern their own affairs, including the potential to enact laws that may reflect religious beliefs, they are still bound by the Constitution. Any state law that establishes a specific religion, enforces religious practices, or discriminates against individuals based on their religious beliefs would likely be challenged in court as unconstitutional.
Additionally, the Fourteenth Amendment extends these protections against state actions, ensuring that state governments cannot infringe upon the rights granted by the First Amendment.
Therefore, while states can have laws that may be influenced by religious beliefs, they cannot enforce religious laws that violate individuals' constitutional rights.
Based on this initial overview of the matter it would appear that Hawaii will be taken to court at some point. I don't think they will be able to keep that law...
no laws of Hawaii would conflict with the law of Jehovah God.
How exactly are they going to enforce this anyway? What are "the laws of Jehovah God"? Hawaii is a blue state, so I presume they allow for abortion and a bunch of other crap, yes? Does that not conflict with the laws of Jehovah God?
Point- the state, either an individual state or the fed, should not be the enforcers of any religion's laws or beliefs. (Christians get a nice little hidden boost, however, because we are right! So the laws will reflect our values, because they are RIGHT. BUT when the state decides to arbitrate matters of our faith it will always end badly)
Totally agree. The point of the Constitution is to sharply limit government to only certain roles, and establishing anything regarding religion is prohibited.
Chat GPT can be incredibly unreliable in many sensitive topics such as this. It has been programmed to lean highly to the left and overqualify anything remotely controversial.
I would recommend going with gab.ai and specifically use one of the "characters" That would give you the original interpretation and intent of our foundational documents such as the Thomas Jefferson character
https://gab.ai/g/65b8311dccea4c861b59b2e8
I agree the state shouldn't be enforcing non-judicial religious beliefs. But all morality is based on something and our laws are either based upon the perfect righteousness of God's law or they are based upon the ever-changing whims of secular society. Personally I like the ground I stand on to be firm and unchanging.
But on the flip side none of the laws of our nation should be in conflict with the moral and judicial law of God. (This is not to be confused with things like the holiness code or instructions for believers, This would be like the laws insurance that applied to anyone within the land to or gentile, like no murdering, theft, rape, stealing land, slavery, etc)
...while individual states have some latitude to govern their own affairs, including the potential to enact laws that may reflect religious beliefs, they are still bound by the Constitution. Any state law that establishes a specific religion, enforces religious practices, or discriminates against individuals based on their religious beliefs would likely be challenged in court as unconstitutional.
Do you at least agree with this part? Also I'm pretty sure all of God's laws are already codified so we don't need more of them. What we need is to ENFORCE them, and also to get rid of a ton of unconstitutional ones. And we certainly don't need to add Sunday laws.
Trump has nothing to do with this bullshit. The Fake News establishment and DNC are hellbent to connect him to it because they are evil and are an arm of the DNC/Killing America.
When you proclaim SUNday as the sabbath, you know it's BS. Sabbath is the 7th day, which is our Saturday.
"The first day of the week (for many), Sunday has been set aside as the “day of the sun” since ancient Egyptian times in honor of the sun-god, beginning with Ra. The Egyptians passed their idea of a 7-day week onto the Romans, who also started their week with the Sun’s day, dies solis. When translated into early German, the first day was called sunnon-dagaz, which made its way into Middle English as sone(n)day."
Exactly my point. While they tried to account for that variation in peoples' interpretation of the Sabbath here in the document, consider the precedent this would set. Where would the line ever be drawn if this religious dogma is able to be legally enforced by the state?!
Imagine any other topic being codified. What happens to the people who don't believe in the interpretation codified? What of the people who aren't part of that religion at all?
The state should not be allowed to enforce any religious group's interpretations of their faith on the rest of us.
The sabbath is a day of rest and it should be a business concern only. If businesses like Chick-f-la and Hobby Lobby want to be closed on Sundays, I am all for it. The truth is that you could make any day a day of rest and glorify God. The only thing that should concern the federal government when it comes to the sabbath is when Congress conducts its business. Congress telling private businesses such as MLB baseball, the NFL, and the NBA how to conduct their businesses by declaring Sunday the sabbath, is unconstitutional.
Somehow they'll find a way to give themselves authority using the Commerce Clause.
They've used that one thing to usurp control of damn-near everything. They just try to make every aspect of American lives a "business related" deal so they can always (justify) taking over the levers.
We never should have given the US Govt even 1 single authority.
I’m old enough to remember when all businesses closed at noon on Saturday and were closed on Sunday. Those were less hectic days… more time was spent with family.
A business may choose to close whenever they want but we cannot allow religious dogmas to be codified in our government!!! Slippery slope is an understatement, have we learned nothing from the dark ages??
And the majority of the businesses chose to observe a day of rest. I simply pointed out that as a society we’ve lost our moral compass.
I do agree with the businesses themselves being allowed to close when they want and that the culture has been degraded over time, but that's downstream of what the body of Christ is able to accomplish in the world. We have been systematically suppressed and ridiculed, while the false churches and New Age crap has been glorified and bolstered.
Spiritual > Cultural > Political
is the flow of the stream of influence
Okay you're apparently completely ignorant of our nations foundational principles.
I'll start with saying as a hardcore reformed Baptist and what the left would call a far right "Christian nationalists" (In reality that just means that I believe the Bible and that Christ just King) And I would be completely against any type of governmental Sabbath restrictions. I would however be in favor of employers respecting religious employees choice to not work on the Sabbath.
That being said are nation was founded as a Christian nation. Separation of church and state doesn't appear in any of our foundational documents. It appears one time in a letter and the context of that letter that you need to understand is that they founders were coming from England and Europe were very specific docturnal positions were interwoven with the government. For example you couldn't disagree on something like infant baptism or divorce without committing an actual crime.
After the the revolution (which England called the Protestant rebellion) the founders in their infinite wisdom and very recent experience decided the federal government couldn't declare specific doctoral religious positions but the states could and many did.
In fact the supreme Court even ruled that the United States is a Christian nation in the case called "Holy Trinity versus United States" in 1892
A large portion of our constitution and almost our entire Bill of Rights was taken out of the general equity of God's law. Meaning it was molded from the framework that God gave us in his word.
Our founding fathers recognized the tea Christian faith was a essential part of the foundational principles and framework of this nation.
Have you learned nothing from the enlightenment?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
I do not claim the founders were perfect, nor any supreme court justices, or legal opinions from them. God has moved upon the earth in glorious ways, which have led to the truths in His Word becoming "self-evident", when at times past they were not. However, codifying any aspect of any religion, such as a Sunday Law, is in effect forcing that religion's interpretation upon all the people, regardless of whether or not they themselves subscribe to it. Does that make sense? It's a slippery slope. There are even many Christians who disagree with Sunday being the Sabboth, as an example. I know they tried to include this in the Project2025 document but can you not see this spiraling out of hand? It's awful precedent.
At the time of America's founding there was already a mixed multitude among the founders. Many were Christians, many were Freemasons, some were both, others, neither. It is highly nuanced. I don't believe America was founded as a Christian nation, at least not in the sense that most people comprehend that term to mean, but I do believe it was established in accordance to the will of God.
Key word "Congress" meaning federal.
Thank you for underlining the exact point that I made. That means everyone's freedom practice what faith they choose and how to choose it. It doesn't change the fact that the nation is founded as a Christian nation with Christian principles and those freedoms are given under that umbrella.
States are not Congress. States made laws establishing religion. The most recent one would be the Hawaiian Constitution stating that no laws of Hawaii would conflict with the law of Jehovah God.
Go look at that SCOTUS ruling I mentioned. It's a matter of record and ruled on.
Hmmmm.! That is interesting. I never considered that little detail. I asked an AI for some basic understanding of it (as I am not a lawyer):
The U.S. Constitution provides for a separation of church and state, primarily through the First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of religion by the federal government and protects citizens' rights to freely exercise their religion. This means that while individual states have some latitude to govern their own affairs, including the potential to enact laws that may reflect religious beliefs, they are still bound by the Constitution. Any state law that establishes a specific religion, enforces religious practices, or discriminates against individuals based on their religious beliefs would likely be challenged in court as unconstitutional.
Additionally, the Fourteenth Amendment extends these protections against state actions, ensuring that state governments cannot infringe upon the rights granted by the First Amendment.
Therefore, while states can have laws that may be influenced by religious beliefs, they cannot enforce religious laws that violate individuals' constitutional rights.
Based on this initial overview of the matter it would appear that Hawaii will be taken to court at some point. I don't think they will be able to keep that law...
How exactly are they going to enforce this anyway? What are "the laws of Jehovah God"? Hawaii is a blue state, so I presume they allow for abortion and a bunch of other crap, yes? Does that not conflict with the laws of Jehovah God?
Point- the state, either an individual state or the fed, should not be the enforcers of any religion's laws or beliefs. (Christians get a nice little hidden boost, however, because we are right! So the laws will reflect our values, because they are RIGHT. BUT when the state decides to arbitrate matters of our faith it will always end badly)
Totally agree. The point of the Constitution is to sharply limit government to only certain roles, and establishing anything regarding religion is prohibited.
Chat GPT can be incredibly unreliable in many sensitive topics such as this. It has been programmed to lean highly to the left and overqualify anything remotely controversial.
I would recommend going with gab.ai and specifically use one of the "characters" That would give you the original interpretation and intent of our foundational documents such as the Thomas Jefferson character https://gab.ai/g/65b8311dccea4c861b59b2e8
I agree the state shouldn't be enforcing non-judicial religious beliefs. But all morality is based on something and our laws are either based upon the perfect righteousness of God's law or they are based upon the ever-changing whims of secular society. Personally I like the ground I stand on to be firm and unchanging.
But on the flip side none of the laws of our nation should be in conflict with the moral and judicial law of God. (This is not to be confused with things like the holiness code or instructions for believers, This would be like the laws insurance that applied to anyone within the land to or gentile, like no murdering, theft, rape, stealing land, slavery, etc)
Do you at least agree with this part? Also I'm pretty sure all of God's laws are already codified so we don't need more of them. What we need is to ENFORCE them, and also to get rid of a ton of unconstitutional ones. And we certainly don't need to add Sunday laws.
That’s right.
Trump has nothing to do with this bullshit. The Fake News establishment and DNC are hellbent to connect him to it because they are evil and are an arm of the DNC/Killing America.
yup. I bet these neocon losers wished that Trump would have been stupid enough to co-sign this garbage but he 5D chessed their asses and condemned it!
When you proclaim SUNday as the sabbath, you know it's BS. Sabbath is the 7th day, which is our Saturday.
"The first day of the week (for many), Sunday has been set aside as the “day of the sun” since ancient Egyptian times in honor of the sun-god, beginning with Ra. The Egyptians passed their idea of a 7-day week onto the Romans, who also started their week with the Sun’s day, dies solis. When translated into early German, the first day was called sunnon-dagaz, which made its way into Middle English as sone(n)day."
https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/week-starts-sunday/
Based Bill Cooper poster.
Thank you fren.
Good for Trump. More government meddling is NOT what we need.
Ctrl + F "sabbath"
https://remnantofgod.org/books/docs/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL-SUNDAY-LAWS.pdf
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise
Back in the day, blue laws were common in several states!
All blue laws should be repealed, and should definitely not be adopted at the federal level.
They used to be a bummer!
There is no Sunday sabbath in the scriptures anywhere. Sabbath is a day instituted at creation.
Exactly my point. While they tried to account for that variation in peoples' interpretation of the Sabbath here in the document, consider the precedent this would set. Where would the line ever be drawn if this religious dogma is able to be legally enforced by the state?!
Imagine any other topic being codified. What happens to the people who don't believe in the interpretation codified? What of the people who aren't part of that religion at all?
The state should not be allowed to enforce any religious group's interpretations of their faith on the rest of us.
We aren't under the law. The jews are but not Christians. Plus sabbath is Saturday not sunday.
And this is in the Constitution exactly where?
see my discussion with datasinc in here. Feel free to chime in