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Catholics are the original Christians. Catholics assembled the Bible & Protestants are missing seven books after Luther removed them. He attempted to remove even more, but his followers stopped him.
Lol what a wild misrepresentation.
The assembly of the biblical canon, both Old and New Testament, occurred over several centuries and involved different processes for the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).
Old Testament Canon
The Hebrew Bible, or the Old Testament, was largely established by Jewish religious leaders over centuries. It is traditionally believed that the Law (Torah) was completed and recognized as authoritative by around 400 B.C. The Prophets (Nevi'im) and the Writings (Ketuvim) were gradually accepted over time, with the Hebrew canon being solidified by the time of Jesus.
By the first century A.D., the Old Testament books were essentially agreed upon in Jewish tradition, with three main divisions:
The Torah (the first five books)
The Nevi'im (the Prophets)
The Ketuvim (the Writings)
The Council of Jamnia (c. A.D. 90) is sometimes cited as a key moment in confirming the Hebrew canon, although evidence for a formal council is debated. Nonetheless, by the end of the first century, the Hebrew Scriptures had been settled.
New Testament Canon
The process for assembling the New Testament canon was more drawn out, emerging over the first few centuries of Christianity. Early church leaders used several criteria for recognizing books as Scripture:
Apostolic authorship or close connection to the apostles
Consistency with Christian doctrine
Widespread usage in churches for teaching and worship
Key figures in the canonization process include:
Athanasius of Alexandria: His Easter letter in 367 A.D. was the first known document to list all 27 books of the New Testament as canonical.
Councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.): These councils affirmed the 27 books of the New Testament, as they had already been widely accepted by churches.
God's Sovereignty in the Canonization Process
From a classical Judeo-Christian perspective, God sovereignly guided the process of canonization through the work of His Spirit in the church. Although human councils and leaders played roles in formally recognizing the canon, it is believed that God ultimately determined which books were inspired and authoritative.
In summary, the Old Testament canon was formed over centuries within the Jewish community, while the New Testament canon was recognized through the early church solidifying by the 4th century A.D.
Catholics are not the original Christians, one can focus on the following points:
Apostolic Christianity: The earliest Christians, including the apostles, followed a simple form of faith based on Scripture and direct teachings from Jesus Christ. These early believers met in homes, emphasized salvation through faith alone, and adhered to biblical teachings without many of the later developments seen in Catholicism.
Gradual Development of Catholic Doctrine: Many Catholic doctrines (e.g., papal infallibility, veneration of Mary, indulgences) developed over centuries and are not found in the New Testament or early Christian writings. These teachings diverged from the original apostolic practices, reflecting an evolution rather than a continuation of the early faith.
The Great Schism and Protestant Reformation: The Christian Church experienced several splits, most notably the Great Schism of 1054 (East-West) and the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. Reformers like Martin Luther argued that the Catholic Church had deviated from original Christianity, calling for a return to biblical authority and the simplicity of early Christian faith.
Biblical Authority Over Tradition: Early Christianity was rooted in the authority of Scripture, whereas Catholicism gives equal weight to church tradition. Protestants argue that this addition of extra-biblical tradition represents a departure from the foundational teachings of the apostles.
In conclusion, those who argue that Catholicism isn't the original form of Christianity claim that the early church was simpler, biblically grounded, and free of many later Catholic practices. Therefore, Catholicism is viewed as a development that diverged from the original apostolic faith.
I'll add my biggest personal hang up (of many) with Catholicism here.... Neither Catholic priests nor the Pope meet the biblical requirements laid out in scripture for a pastor or an elder. Period.
1 Timothy 3:1-7 & Titus 1:5-9
A pastor or elder must be a married man. A pastor must be a married man with faithful and obedient children.
This is God's commanded structure for His Church and The shepherds of His flock.
The Catholic Church demands clerical celibacy and doesn't allow priests to be married.
God's Word > Catholic traditions
Very well said.
So "true" Christianity didnt come into being until a obese Catholic Monk broke his vows, married a nun & edited the bible in the year 1517? Got it.
I'll stick with the original, thanks!
You brought a knife to a ballistic missile fight my friend.
There is only One true church.
So what you did there was a dishonest misrepresentation of what I said.
Also known as a lie.
You need to ask for my forgiveness and because you're a Catholic you need to go to confession..... IF you want to call yourself a good Catholic or Christian.
Catholics are the original Christians. The Sacraments were being delivered to followers early on in the early Church. Saint Stephan is our Catholic proto martyr & was a deacon of the early church. He was giving Sacrements as was established by Jesus & his Apostles when he was stoned to death by the Jews, including Saul who would later become Saint Paul.
Learn true Christian history. Its older than what occured in the year 1517 with the Protestant revolts.
In conclusion " without putting words in your mouth" consensus does not equal correct.
Thank you.
Actually, jews are the original Christians. Catholics love to steal the title.
Christians are the original Christians.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." ~2 Corinthians 5:17
you are not wrong.
Catholism is the completion of Judaism. Its interesting to note that Jews didn't like the fact that Catholics included seven books to the old Testiment; Martin Luther comes around & removes the books they wanted out of the Cannon. He also was a follower of the Kabbalah.
Protestantism is judiased Christianity. I like Christianity, hold the Judeo.
And the kazarians (modern day Ukraine) were known as the name stealers
I love Catholics, but.. the body of Christ is the body of Christ. Plenty of more pressing issues than praying for Christians to become different Christians, imo
I'm praying for the unity of the Christian faith as it was for over a millenia. A divided house cannot stand but we are all in this together!
Luther never removed a single book, in fact he translated all of them in his German bible that he presented to Frederick.
He removed books and added words, fact.
The Protestant Bible consists of only 66 books ― 39 books in the Old Testament and 27 books in the New Testament. The Catholic (i.e., the original canon) settled upon in the 4th century is contains 73 books including Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach (i.e., Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and 1 and 2 Maccabees ― what Protestants call the Apocrypha.
In fact, Luther’s first German translation was missing 25 books (i.e., Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Esther, Job, Ecclesiastes, Jonah, Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach (i.e., Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Matthew, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. He referred to the Epistle of James as “straw not worthy to be burned in my oven as tinder.” The rest he called “Judaizing nonsense.” Subsequent Protestants, deciding that Luther wasn’t really inspired by the Holy Spirit, replaced most of the books he had removed.
Look, I’m not one to go hard against Roman Catholicism, but your response to me is just plain inaccurate and intentionally misleading with half-truths. You need to check your sources rather than copy and paste from a biased pro-Roman Catholic website. You’re putting the worst possible construction on Luther and it’s disingenuous at best.
Did Luther not add words "Alone" to his altered Bible to justify his new Theology? Yes, yes he did. Fact.
Did Luther not say the following about the Apostle St. James "Therefore St James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the Gospel about it. (Luther’s Works 35, 362).
Who would know what Jesus wanted written in the Gospels, one of his Apostles who knew him or a rebellious monk who lived 1,500 years later? I'm going to play it safe & stick with the Apostle.
Aside from the fact that Luther was a Heretical Catholic Monk, what authority did he have to add words to the Bible, remove books & re-arrange the bible? He had NO authority only pride.
Did Luther perform some documented great miracle like split the Red Sea? I dont understand why Prots follow this guy & allow themselves to be seduced by his views.
Perhaps because he told poor souls that they can commit sin & as long as you have a relationship with Jesus, its all good! Go forth & sin.
"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly." Martin Luther
Its scary to contemplate all millions of souls that may have been lost because of this one Kabbalist.