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i hate everything in the app store so much. 96% of it just caters to stupid people. this is why people hate capitalism.
coding is such an infinite well of possibilities. and what do we find... 25000 knock-off microtransaction idle farming games. industry hyperspecific apps that charge monthly just for the right to use them.
I waste so much time looking for software solutions... i gotta learn to code. to save this godforsaken industry from crumbling.
maybe things will get better when the deep-state is dethroned. googles algorithms hide the best apps underneath all the garbage.
anyways. i imagine there are a few coders here. any thoughts on what entering the field in 2024 is like?
What do you want? These days its pretty easy to write whatever you need using coding AIs
just a simple 3d design thing like sketchup, for one.
the one decent solution i've found is GNAcad... which is great, but i can only seem to make wireframes, not anything solid.
i was building in GNAcad and then importing my work into blender to add faces and solids, but when i don't have access to a pc, i'm SOL.
not sure I trust AI to do all the heavy lifting for coding projects, although i'm sure it can be useful.
I can't remember if it was Sweeney or Newell or someone else, but it was once posited that rather than a monolithic app store, there should be app stores curated by whomever wanted to curate one, with apps specific to demographic need.
For example: construction worker app store, musician app store, teacher app store, child app store, etc.
Instead of a monolith curating all content--a hopeless task in which it is inevitable the monolith will cater to the most broadly profitable content--create a mechanism for curators to provide value and utility.
It's no coincidence that when you open any major app store it's packed with low IQ games designed to appeal to the same demographics that buy lottery tickets and wear surgical masks while driving.
Coding isn't the end, it's the means. My spouse and I both clear 6 figures each as well as our colleagues, in totally different IT fields, not because of the programming languages we know, but because of our abilities to put everything in context, translate the issues and solutions to others, put them into action, and NOT use AI for security, copyright, and other reasons. AI doesn't really exist, it's machine learning, and sorry but it still really sucks for anything complex.
Python isn't just for "old companies" because it's versatile and robust across different tech. Java is declining but .NET is prolific. Your ability to learn (aka IQ) is a better determinant of your success than what languages you know, although you still have to get through a terrible HR screening first, so pump up your resume. Get certified in a variety of stuff, join a consulting group and get contract work under your belt before going for a full time job for best pay. Use them to get experience in a spread of industries.
In the end, your ability to solve INTERFACES - between tech, systems, and people- will get you farther than creating content or games. Data science is another big space that machine learning has failed utterly in, because existing data isn't clean and machines have no clue about context. For example, big business needs to know where the slowdowns in their manufacturing lines occur and why, or which suppliers are not delivering good quality or on time, real questions. But bad data impedes the reporting, and machines can't figure things out. Sometimes it really takes an actual visit to a place, observing, talking with the people, to work out what to do, but that's not coding, it's learning and applying to the code.
Any advice for me on what I can do to get my foot in the door? In case you didn't catch my username, I'm deaf and I graduated with a Bachelor's degree in I.T. and I have a couple of certifications that I taught myself, without going to school/boot camp to earn them. I also worked for a big box retail store, servicing computers and I have worked with a company on an internship (CO-OP was actually the name of the program). At the big box retail store, I got best employee of the year 5 years in a row due to my ability to get computers out of the store quickly enough and most of them didn't come back for further repair.
15 years later, no one wants to hire me, despite them telling me I'm a perfect fit for the job. I've noticed that they said that before they found out that I'm deaf.
Soon after finding out I'm deaf, "Whoops! My supervisor went ahead and hired someone else! We will keep your resume on file for 6 months. After that, feel free to apply with us again!" and not a word from them since.
Applied to over 1,500 jobs since then, both in two different states, one state with a top 3 cities (where I'm from) and one in a red state (where I'm currently living now) and no luck.
I've revised my resume so many times but all of them looked great as I've had some former HR employees and job coaches check them out for me. They said there's nothing wrong with my resume and it's very attractive, enough for it to be noticed by HRs.
I'm in my 40's now and it's very discouraging that I'm unemployed and unable to work with computers, which was (and still is) my dream job since I was 8 years old when I fiddled around on my Amiga computer.
To add, I had the worst luck of going to college, where they said they will teach us 10% (the essential stuff we need to know for entry level) then once we're hired, the company will teach us the 90%. Then 9/11 happened and everything was in chaos, which delayed my job search for some time until everything was "normal" so I can apply.
I hate to say it, but put your deafness out there first, because the HR trolls can use it to fill their quotas of minorities/disabled with less risk of a disruptive employee.
I was already in the workforce when 911 was perpetrated upon us, and have been lucky to never really have had a raw job search. College connections pulled me into my first job, and business links bridged me from there. If you don't have any friends developed from your past, start making new ones. I think I mentioned contractors, which are more important than most people understand.
Financially speaking, companies don't want to hire FT because the taxes and benefits are costly. (Same reason they'd rather lease than buy, taxes punish ownership.) So get into a consulting or contacting firm and work projects and gigs for them; try to find one that has benefits and treats it's people like real FT employees. When working gigs, do not ignore the value of learning from your colleagues and the company people, connecting with them and never burning bridges. Companies will hire contractors away, they pay a headhunting fee so it's equitable. But if your firm pays well and keeps you engaged, you can start a long time. You are valuable for your skills, and for your perspective- you know that there are projects (gov/state) that require specific development for people with disabilities, and you can "represent!" (We've got a friend who's blind and he's a great advocate for reasonable accommodations and product/service improvement for the disabled.) You can play things either way, but use the hand you've been dealt to get your foot in the door.
Coding farms and AI make coding a job not worth the time. Crunch is real and you will work harder than any retail employee and make less than a lot of them
Now if you are doing it for free and fun? Yeah, this is the time. Ai can help clean your newbie code. Whether it is gaming or productivity apps, there are so many libraries and engines with tons of already prewritten runtimes that if you learn to code, you can do more than one person really should
It is also easier to learn. When I tried it, literally had to go basic > c > C+ Teachers would still cover a lot of "basic" coding but a year later all you could do was function calls. The online portals for learning like udemy are infinitely better than any 90s/2000s college class
But I am a philosophical/logical autist, not a math autist , so I really could not stand the inherent clunk of C. I took up Javascript and flash/shockwave but those are pretty useless now. Old languages like perl or python still have a niche where some old company too lazy to switch their platforms will pay you $$$$ cause you are 1 of 100000000 who still know the languages
You also mentioned apps. Android and Apple sdks are even easier to learn. Start out making a flappy bird clone or something like a flashlight toggle, take online courses, watch youtube videos, etc. I have seen people with zero coding background make pretty high level stuff like third party streamers and IR controls, etc with enough diligence
So, say I've got a killer app, and verified it's not already out there. No coding experience since managing relational databases with SQL back in 2000, and decent GUI background from then. Should I just head to udemy to learn app-making? Or would you start somewhere else?
On udemy you want two things
Never pay full price because there are always sales
And two, you want to focus on the zero to mastery courses
I would also look at this for general education
https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science
Thanks!
and just like that, i have a new favourite GAWtist. thanks!