Just going by sealed indictments, it would mean at least 0.5% of the population, right? Each indictment can contain multiple individuals, so it's anywhere from 500K - a few million. I'm sure each of us will personally know or have met someone on an indictment.
I know I know a few. One was a man I considered a brother. Up until the day he was arrested. The sad part about his case is that his "step-daughter" was allowing it on her mother's orders. And neither the girl, nor her mother ever bothered to turn him in until the guy told the girl she couldn't go out with her friends one night because she was needed at home to watch her younger siblings while he and her mother were at work. The mother had to work late and the guy was working out of town. Next thing we all knew, dude was in jail, mother and girl were spilling the beans to the sheriff's dept. Came to find out later on that this woman had been grooming her daughter the whole time, and had done a similar thing with the girl's birth father before she met my former friend. And my former friend knew about it, but still decided to date the woman. The woman is still free, still has custody of her children, and is with another dude. Word on the street is that the new guy may be in a similar predicament as my former friend, with my former friend's daughter, who's mother is the same woman he was entrapped by.
Now, I know it sounds like I'm defending the guy's behavior. I'm not. As a survivor of pedophilia myself, I believe all pedos should be imprisoned or hanged. However, this sort of child grooming op happens more than people realize. As a side note, my former buddy is a survivor of pedophilia himself. Whether that played a part in his actions, or not, I don't know. I had quit talking to him a couple years before his arrest because he fell into the opioid addiction (along with the girl's mother), so that's another aspect to consider in his case, as well as the mother grooming her own daughter. I do believe his addiction played a role in the pedo behavior. The addiction was used as a means of control, and the first incident with the girl arose from it, as well.
My point here is that there are a lot of pedo cases where grooming is involved, but it isn't always being orchestrated by a male. There are a lot of cases where the children are brought into pedophilia by their mother as a way to control and manipulate the men in the mother's life. And it's an aspect of pedophilia I think our LEO agencies need to really consider and look into.
How many pedo cases involve the mother grooming her own children and turning them over to be molested? It's a question that's very rarely ever asked, much less answered.
I agree. It's all around us. Grooming their own children for personal benefit. But also simply training their daughters to be opportunistic, that this is "the way to get ahead" in the world. After all, seducing the boss to siphon off the earnings through blackmail or a lawsuit is a lot easier than building a company yourself. It's a modern day, covert slavery.
There's a guy on rumble who goes over the logistics on this. Here's one of his videos.
All sorts of illogical promotion decisions at work, expenditures that make no sense, consulting contracts and the like, suddenly make sense when you uncover the hidden criminal element. I'm sure I know a few through work.
And personally I'm pretty sure I know a guy who became trapped: seduced (maybe I'm giving too much credit to him) maybe even with a spiked drink and then filmed for kompromat. Became and still is quite wealthy through his cooperation, but gradual alienation from his wife, and (I suspect) living with a painful secret, and utlilized to pass lies in his professional life. Truly a cancer throughout our society. Thank God it's being rooted out and destroyed.
Isn't it also possible that a person can be charged in several cases (e.g. different indictments in different states)? If it can be a 1 to many relationship, then any assumption about the number of people involved is speculation.
I knew a young woman whose father would trade her with a neighbor's daughter when they were young girls. As an adult, she was battling drug addiction and self mutilation. She had scars up her arms from cutting herself. She crashed her car into a telephone pole and killed herself at the age of 32. Never cried so hard in my life.
If we don’t address the root of the issue, then it’s all meaningless. Which there are multiple.
This, in my opinion, is entrapment. A victimless crime that everyone pleads to.
What’s the goal here? To shame men? Or to address the fact that internet porn has ruined lives, or that women have been awful (liberals, feminists). Finding a 16 year old attractive is biological if they are dressed as an adult. So address bad parenting. Address movies, books, psychology and internet.
But to publicly shame a man, who may commit suicide, who is otherwise a good dude, like come on guys. That’s where I draw the line.
We never hear these charges in detail, we never hear how they violate rights, it’s just the media shaming men. They just plead out because they are ashamed their entire private lives will be open sourced to the public. This isn’t right all around.
I am sorry. The root cause, I believe is a spiritual warfare. Would someone normal and Christian (actual Christian) wants to have sex with minor? Maybe 16 years old dressed and selling sex on the street you cannot tell but to solicit minor?
I will tell you there's many sick people out there and I do know some.
I 100% agree that there are sick and evil people who would violently hurt other people out there and that it is spiritual warfare. But we cannot ignore the decades of treating this as a non-crime and then all of a sudden using it to destroy men. Any crime that disproportionately affects one gender or race is unconstitutional.
The introduction and implications of computers in our homes and hands at all times has never been properly understood, lawmakers who don’t want us free, law enforcement who we pay to lock us up instead of help us at times, big government, combined with a lack of community and hate for our country, have developed a system that is not what our founders intended.
Plus the fact that divorce and liberalism and feminism have made a lot of men uncomfortable with marriage. That may be coming back around but what to do about those caught in the middle?
I don’t believe the government should be able to throw men who have strayed (solicitation, etc) into prison for crimes like that. I don’t think that is worse than being wasted in a car driving on the highway.
We are the most incarcerated country, are we not? So we pay taxes for the police to lock us up? The feds to spy on us? The court system is totally stacked against defendants. And we pay for it?
Arrest the parents for allowing girls to put themselves out there like that and I guarantee it would stop. But the laws are designed for it NOT to fully stop but just arrest the vulnerable. We need the police to stop making it worse, change the laws regarding it being worse than murder, stop the media from fanning the flames and maybe we can come together for solutions.
It’s unconstitutional and people are afraid to speak out about it due to the public shame.
Old fashioned justice is fine with me, if you solicited my loved one and I kicked your ass, then I don’t get arrested for assault. Our government is acting like they are our parents but only punishing the one kid. That means we aren’t a free country.
I want our kids protected AND I want the government out of our life.
I also think we need to be honest and forgiving, where it’s possible, and come together with loving solutions. We love our community, we love our country and its people, so let’s love them. Love means getting down to the nitty gritty at times. Honesty is needed on a lot of hard subjects, not just this one.
I hear what you are saying. But have you ever noticed the vast majority of these criminals are middle aged WHITE guys. That's all the media will show, never hardly any POC's getting caught up in these types of stings. Is there an agenda with the MSM to only portray white middlw class guys as pedos? Probably. Never is a US senator caught up in this stuff, but they have built in layers of protection.
Yes! Look at the crime stats. It’s over 90% white men. That’s impossible and also a telling sign of race based prosecution. That combined with the anti-white and anti-men referendum and you can see it being another way for them to attack us. People that grew up having a computer in their house, then having a smartphone - gen X and millennials- those are the targets. And the penalties can be ridiculous. It’s a perfect way to take men out, bc everyone is so mortified to fight it and when you take it to jury, all deals are off so they overcharge you and then if you fight it and don’t take the deal, then you are fucked by the letter of the law the degenerate lawmakers wrote.
Pedophilia, rape, molestation, all of those are awful. I find it hard to compare those to soliciting a lying police officer and then being forced to plead due to the media.
This doesn’t sound like human trafficking it sounds like soliciting prostitution. So address the fact that men feel they need to go outside their home for sex.
Fire safety educator, former prosecutor among 132 arrested in statewide human trafficking sting
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By WHIO Staff
October 16, 2024 at 8:46 am EDT
NOW PLAYING ABOVE
Local fire inspector, former prosecutor among 132 arrested in statewide human trafficking sting Over 100 people were arrested, including some from the Miami Valley, in a statewide human-trafficking operation
MONTGOMERY COUNTY — Over 100 people were arrested, including some from the Miami Valley, in a statewide human-trafficking operation.
As reported on News Center 7 at 5, the operation was led by Attorney General Dave Yost’s Ohio Organized Crime Investigation Commission and took place from Oct. 5 through Oct. 12 across the state.
This kind of work is important to Tonya Folks.
“A lot of people might be shocked that an advocacy organization is on board with the law enforcement side of things,” Folks said.
She’s the head of a faith-based organization, The Oasis House in Dayton, that helps women who are survivors of human trafficking and sexual exploitation.
“It raises awareness. It allows survivors to connect with service providers,” Folks said.
Authorities arrested seven men in the Dayton area as part of the sting.
Among them is Jeff Startzman, a former magistrate and county prosecutor, and a current board member for Montgomery County Alcohol, Drug Addiction and Mental Health Services (ADAMHS).
Also arrested in Montgomery County was Chuck Arnold, who was identified as a fire safety educator with the Ohio Department of Commerce. The Ohio Attorney General’s Office identified Arnold as a chief fire inspector, however a spokesperson for the Ohio Department of Commerce provided his correct position as fire safety educator in a statement to News Center 7.
“This is a grave allegation, and we are taking it very seriously. We are unable to comment any further, since the investigation is ongoing,” the spokesperson said.
Both Startzman and Arnold are accused of buying sex.
“You don’t know when you buy sex whether that person is willingly participating or is being trafficked ... that means if you buy sex in Ohio you are complicit,” Yost said.
“We cannot comment on an ongoing law enforcement investigation,” Tina Rezash Rogal, Director of Strategic Initiatives and Communication at Montgomery County ADAMHS said.
News Center 7 also reached out to the Ohio Department of Commerce in regards to Arnold’s arrest. Monday, Oct. 14, is a state holiday and we are awaiting a response.
BD, what's going on is Q subtly showing the average American citizen what's coming down the pike. In his posts he alluded to a prevalent evil in America that is going to be swept away. This sting operation just before the election is a taste of the tsunami that will hit after the election. Hundred of pedos won't be arrested, but hundreds of thousands will. Think how that will affect towns and even regions of this country. Friendships will evaporate and families will implode. Q wants us to get prepared for the eventual outcomes and how to handle those trying times. Plus we will be needed by Leftists as a shoulder to cry on and give reassurement that their lives are not over if a loved one is facing a jail sentence or execution. Q has prepared pedes for being a healing force, not just a cudgul to pound on lefties. The arresting of a huge number of pedos will be thebbeginning of the healing process for this country and maybe the world. Let's not add to folks' misery just because they are of a different political persuasion. Maybe their eyes will finally be opened and they will see how good Conservatives really are.
Tynyyn...I like the way you think, and you're screed points this out quite well...I would also imagine that we all will be taken aback by the "religious" side of things that have not even been considered, as of yet!!!!!!!
The religious clergy are also involved and it doesn't matter what religious sect they belong too!!!!!
I am just bringing this out so that everyone's blinders come off NOW instead of later when it begins to happen...
Thank you for what you have alluded to, and I do hope the blinders are off!!!!
Probably 1-2% of any population will be pedos. In a nation with our population size, that's still 2-4 million people. Enough to populate a city like Orlando, FL, Miami, or Jacksonville, FL.
What truly surprises me is that there aren't more female pedos being caught. In a population that's majority female, it stands to reason that the majority of pedos should be female. Or, is pedophilia more of an affliction that affects males more frequently than females?
not everyone caught in a trafficking sting will be pedos. some may be blackmailed with footage of underage interactions, but that's not even the only form of blackmail.
A lot more than you think. We have been infiltrated from within.
We're truly watching a decaying world.
Just going by sealed indictments, it would mean at least 0.5% of the population, right? Each indictment can contain multiple individuals, so it's anywhere from 500K - a few million. I'm sure each of us will personally know or have met someone on an indictment.
I know I know a few. One was a man I considered a brother. Up until the day he was arrested. The sad part about his case is that his "step-daughter" was allowing it on her mother's orders. And neither the girl, nor her mother ever bothered to turn him in until the guy told the girl she couldn't go out with her friends one night because she was needed at home to watch her younger siblings while he and her mother were at work. The mother had to work late and the guy was working out of town. Next thing we all knew, dude was in jail, mother and girl were spilling the beans to the sheriff's dept. Came to find out later on that this woman had been grooming her daughter the whole time, and had done a similar thing with the girl's birth father before she met my former friend. And my former friend knew about it, but still decided to date the woman. The woman is still free, still has custody of her children, and is with another dude. Word on the street is that the new guy may be in a similar predicament as my former friend, with my former friend's daughter, who's mother is the same woman he was entrapped by.
Now, I know it sounds like I'm defending the guy's behavior. I'm not. As a survivor of pedophilia myself, I believe all pedos should be imprisoned or hanged. However, this sort of child grooming op happens more than people realize. As a side note, my former buddy is a survivor of pedophilia himself. Whether that played a part in his actions, or not, I don't know. I had quit talking to him a couple years before his arrest because he fell into the opioid addiction (along with the girl's mother), so that's another aspect to consider in his case, as well as the mother grooming her own daughter. I do believe his addiction played a role in the pedo behavior. The addiction was used as a means of control, and the first incident with the girl arose from it, as well.
My point here is that there are a lot of pedo cases where grooming is involved, but it isn't always being orchestrated by a male. There are a lot of cases where the children are brought into pedophilia by their mother as a way to control and manipulate the men in the mother's life. And it's an aspect of pedophilia I think our LEO agencies need to really consider and look into.
How many pedo cases involve the mother grooming her own children and turning them over to be molested? It's a question that's very rarely ever asked, much less answered.
I agree. It's all around us. Grooming their own children for personal benefit. But also simply training their daughters to be opportunistic, that this is "the way to get ahead" in the world. After all, seducing the boss to siphon off the earnings through blackmail or a lawsuit is a lot easier than building a company yourself. It's a modern day, covert slavery.
There's a guy on rumble who goes over the logistics on this. Here's one of his videos.
https://rumble.com/v5ghqst-spoiler-alert.html
All sorts of illogical promotion decisions at work, expenditures that make no sense, consulting contracts and the like, suddenly make sense when you uncover the hidden criminal element. I'm sure I know a few through work.
And personally I'm pretty sure I know a guy who became trapped: seduced (maybe I'm giving too much credit to him) maybe even with a spiked drink and then filmed for kompromat. Became and still is quite wealthy through his cooperation, but gradual alienation from his wife, and (I suspect) living with a painful secret, and utlilized to pass lies in his professional life. Truly a cancer throughout our society. Thank God it's being rooted out and destroyed.
Yes. I am sure we would. What a sick world.
Isn't it also possible that a person can be charged in several cases (e.g. different indictments in different states)? If it can be a 1 to many relationship, then any assumption about the number of people involved is speculation.
Yes. Definitely a lot of speculation, but built from a known number. And of course that could decrease with plea deals that remain secret as well.
I knew a young woman whose father would trade her with a neighbor's daughter when they were young girls. As an adult, she was battling drug addiction and self mutilation. She had scars up her arms from cutting herself. She crashed her car into a telephone pole and killed herself at the age of 32. Never cried so hard in my life.
Scar for life some of them. Others found Christ and move on. I know some of these people from my niece's in-laws. They went to jail.
Guys,
This is why CRIME STATS are USELESS. The street thugs are STUPID.
They do their crimes out in the open. It's easy to see.
What about the criminal networks like human trafficing that is protected by elites?
How many pedos exist that do not show up on crime stats?
That's why I said I am thinking a lot more than 2%. Crime stats and those stupid criminals who keep repeating are what the you got reported.
Correct..
We are dealing with organized crime. The inner city street punk are low level thugs who show up in the news.
The organized criminals know how to stage a crime in way that makes it seem like an accidental drowning.
If we don’t address the root of the issue, then it’s all meaningless. Which there are multiple.
This, in my opinion, is entrapment. A victimless crime that everyone pleads to.
What’s the goal here? To shame men? Or to address the fact that internet porn has ruined lives, or that women have been awful (liberals, feminists). Finding a 16 year old attractive is biological if they are dressed as an adult. So address bad parenting. Address movies, books, psychology and internet.
But to publicly shame a man, who may commit suicide, who is otherwise a good dude, like come on guys. That’s where I draw the line.
We never hear these charges in detail, we never hear how they violate rights, it’s just the media shaming men. They just plead out because they are ashamed their entire private lives will be open sourced to the public. This isn’t right all around.
I am sorry. The root cause, I believe is a spiritual warfare. Would someone normal and Christian (actual Christian) wants to have sex with minor? Maybe 16 years old dressed and selling sex on the street you cannot tell but to solicit minor?
I will tell you there's many sick people out there and I do know some.
I 100% agree that there are sick and evil people who would violently hurt other people out there and that it is spiritual warfare. But we cannot ignore the decades of treating this as a non-crime and then all of a sudden using it to destroy men. Any crime that disproportionately affects one gender or race is unconstitutional.
The introduction and implications of computers in our homes and hands at all times has never been properly understood, lawmakers who don’t want us free, law enforcement who we pay to lock us up instead of help us at times, big government, combined with a lack of community and hate for our country, have developed a system that is not what our founders intended.
Plus the fact that divorce and liberalism and feminism have made a lot of men uncomfortable with marriage. That may be coming back around but what to do about those caught in the middle?
I don’t believe the government should be able to throw men who have strayed (solicitation, etc) into prison for crimes like that. I don’t think that is worse than being wasted in a car driving on the highway.
We are the most incarcerated country, are we not? So we pay taxes for the police to lock us up? The feds to spy on us? The court system is totally stacked against defendants. And we pay for it?
Arrest the parents for allowing girls to put themselves out there like that and I guarantee it would stop. But the laws are designed for it NOT to fully stop but just arrest the vulnerable. We need the police to stop making it worse, change the laws regarding it being worse than murder, stop the media from fanning the flames and maybe we can come together for solutions.
It’s unconstitutional and people are afraid to speak out about it due to the public shame.
Old fashioned justice is fine with me, if you solicited my loved one and I kicked your ass, then I don’t get arrested for assault. Our government is acting like they are our parents but only punishing the one kid. That means we aren’t a free country.
I want our kids protected AND I want the government out of our life.
I also think we need to be honest and forgiving, where it’s possible, and come together with loving solutions. We love our community, we love our country and its people, so let’s love them. Love means getting down to the nitty gritty at times. Honesty is needed on a lot of hard subjects, not just this one.
I want to give you this website. You need to go there and write something about that.
Think through what or how this should be done. Maybe we can get some common sense rules and laws in place. https://www.policiesforpeople.com/
Thank you!
We are all fighting a good fight now.
I hear what you are saying. But have you ever noticed the vast majority of these criminals are middle aged WHITE guys. That's all the media will show, never hardly any POC's getting caught up in these types of stings. Is there an agenda with the MSM to only portray white middlw class guys as pedos? Probably. Never is a US senator caught up in this stuff, but they have built in layers of protection.
Yes! Look at the crime stats. It’s over 90% white men. That’s impossible and also a telling sign of race based prosecution. That combined with the anti-white and anti-men referendum and you can see it being another way for them to attack us. People that grew up having a computer in their house, then having a smartphone - gen X and millennials- those are the targets. And the penalties can be ridiculous. It’s a perfect way to take men out, bc everyone is so mortified to fight it and when you take it to jury, all deals are off so they overcharge you and then if you fight it and don’t take the deal, then you are fucked by the letter of the law the degenerate lawmakers wrote.
Pedophilia, rape, molestation, all of those are awful. I find it hard to compare those to soliciting a lying police officer and then being forced to plead due to the media.
This doesn’t sound like human trafficking it sounds like soliciting prostitution. So address the fact that men feel they need to go outside their home for sex.
Ohio has a big problem - look up Ohio State’s Lex Wexner building aka buddy of Jeffrey Epstein who gave Jeffrey Epstein his house of horror in NYC.
Oh. Was he from there? Damn.
Fire safety educator, former prosecutor among 132 arrested in statewide human trafficking sting
11 By WHIO Staff October 16, 2024 at 8:46 am EDT NOW PLAYING ABOVE
Local fire inspector, former prosecutor among 132 arrested in statewide human trafficking sting Over 100 people were arrested, including some from the Miami Valley, in a statewide human-trafficking operation
MONTGOMERY COUNTY — Over 100 people were arrested, including some from the Miami Valley, in a statewide human-trafficking operation.
As reported on News Center 7 at 5, the operation was led by Attorney General Dave Yost’s Ohio Organized Crime Investigation Commission and took place from Oct. 5 through Oct. 12 across the state.
This kind of work is important to Tonya Folks.
“A lot of people might be shocked that an advocacy organization is on board with the law enforcement side of things,” Folks said.
She’s the head of a faith-based organization, The Oasis House in Dayton, that helps women who are survivors of human trafficking and sexual exploitation.
“It raises awareness. It allows survivors to connect with service providers,” Folks said.
Authorities arrested seven men in the Dayton area as part of the sting.
Among them is Jeff Startzman, a former magistrate and county prosecutor, and a current board member for Montgomery County Alcohol, Drug Addiction and Mental Health Services (ADAMHS).
Also arrested in Montgomery County was Chuck Arnold, who was identified as a fire safety educator with the Ohio Department of Commerce. The Ohio Attorney General’s Office identified Arnold as a chief fire inspector, however a spokesperson for the Ohio Department of Commerce provided his correct position as fire safety educator in a statement to News Center 7.
“This is a grave allegation, and we are taking it very seriously. We are unable to comment any further, since the investigation is ongoing,” the spokesperson said.
Both Startzman and Arnold are accused of buying sex.
“You don’t know when you buy sex whether that person is willingly participating or is being trafficked ... that means if you buy sex in Ohio you are complicit,” Yost said.
“We cannot comment on an ongoing law enforcement investigation,” Tina Rezash Rogal, Director of Strategic Initiatives and Communication at Montgomery County ADAMHS said.
News Center 7 also reached out to the Ohio Department of Commerce in regards to Arnold’s arrest. Monday, Oct. 14, is a state holiday and we are awaiting a response.
We will continue to follow this story.
Thank you so much, Bully for this. It's a very serious thing and all these people. What the hell is going on?
BD, what's going on is Q subtly showing the average American citizen what's coming down the pike. In his posts he alluded to a prevalent evil in America that is going to be swept away. This sting operation just before the election is a taste of the tsunami that will hit after the election. Hundred of pedos won't be arrested, but hundreds of thousands will. Think how that will affect towns and even regions of this country. Friendships will evaporate and families will implode. Q wants us to get prepared for the eventual outcomes and how to handle those trying times. Plus we will be needed by Leftists as a shoulder to cry on and give reassurement that their lives are not over if a loved one is facing a jail sentence or execution. Q has prepared pedes for being a healing force, not just a cudgul to pound on lefties. The arresting of a huge number of pedos will be thebbeginning of the healing process for this country and maybe the world. Let's not add to folks' misery just because they are of a different political persuasion. Maybe their eyes will finally be opened and they will see how good Conservatives really are.
Tynyyn...I like the way you think, and you're screed points this out quite well...I would also imagine that we all will be taken aback by the "religious" side of things that have not even been considered, as of yet!!!!!!!
The religious clergy are also involved and it doesn't matter what religious sect they belong too!!!!!
I am just bringing this out so that everyone's blinders come off NOW instead of later when it begins to happen...
Thank you for what you have alluded to, and I do hope the blinders are off!!!!
Well said.
I would love to see them all swept away. My niece's family (in-law side, not my side) were caught. Oh yes, it's a hard thing to watch.
Glad to help bd. Not everyone wants to click the link so...I'm here to help.
You are good.
I dont understand the nature of the this sting.....was it To Catch a Predator like or other?
To catch a pedotor. I would assume.
Probably 1-2% of any population will be pedos. In a nation with our population size, that's still 2-4 million people. Enough to populate a city like Orlando, FL, Miami, or Jacksonville, FL.
What truly surprises me is that there aren't more female pedos being caught. In a population that's majority female, it stands to reason that the majority of pedos should be female. Or, is pedophilia more of an affliction that affects males more frequently than females?
You think it's only 1-2%? I am thinking a lot more than that now.
4-6%?
Yes. I would believe that.
not everyone caught in a trafficking sting will be pedos. some may be blackmailed with footage of underage interactions, but that's not even the only form of blackmail.
Blackmail could be solve if you have a good judicial system.
I wonder how many serial killers are lurking out there?
There is a reason for beheading in some third world countries. By the way USA is turning into a third world country. Thank you George Soros
Too messy. I would throw them in Everglades.
the lost forever crowd of 5%
Yes. They cannot be saved. At least I do not believe so.