Just got finished reading this, as I’d heard it was some time traveler book that seemed to foretell what we were about to see very shortly.
No. It’s basically a doomer story of how, just prior to 1900, after a populist president is elected and does away with usury and returns us to the gold/silver standard, our country erupts into chaos, collapses, and divides back into 50 states as a last resort.
So…any reason people here keep touting this thing?
I read them back when I first heard about them. I occasionally remember something from one or the other of them, but I certainly don’t put much stock into thinking that they foretell our future. I look to the Bible for that sort of information.
Well you can make a good argument that we don't need a central government, especially when it's detrimental to the freedom of the people. The Founders considered central government a "necessary evil". But I can't see any scenario where evil would ever be necessary. That's almost an oxymoron. In the past a person's loyalty was to his state, not the country. America was created as a "loose union of States".
Agreed. When the US was first formed, every state was almost its own separate country. The central government was so weak that it was pretty much completely useless. This did cause some problems in terms of national defense, interstate commerce for land-locked states, etc.
However, the evil scumbags always push for centralization of power in every way possible. Decentralization is a natural deterrent to their ability to corrupt those who control centralized power.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with much more powerful states and a weak central government. The same is true for counties within the states as well.
I don't think the hype was about the plot or the ending, but the apparent parallels to Baron Trump.
Yeah. It’s pretty loose though. Given that the character’s first name doesn’t even seem to be Baron, despite how the title appears. His father was a baron and so was he.
True, but the point is that some people drew parallels to Barron Trump. I never saw any comments about how it was a good bood. That is all.
I remember it being much more than drawing parallels. Baron is frequently talked about as an actual time traveler, with this book being sort of like the proof of it. Just after having read this I get the feeling they really overshot their theory that’s all.
Yeah, I never read the book, but I wasn't on board with the parallels or the time travel theories.
State supremacy being reestablished would put us dead on the constitution.
https://www.ingersolllockwood.com Go to the library portion of the website upper right side. Ingersoll Lockwood's books and the book of Enoch. Fascinating Website.
Pretty sure they haven't read it....
I haven't read it either,but I don't talk about it.
Technically it’s a populist that has a rogue Congress usurp control and drive the country under in the name of “We the People” and “Freedom and Liberty”
I didn’t gather that. The new congress came in and worked day and night without recess for months enacting every thing the president wanted. It just didn’t work out how they expected it to.
The book was written in the 1890s I think. Reads like pre-election fear mongering. Maybe Lockwood was a J.
The states are sovereign and equivalent to separate countries except for the 11 or so distinct powers delegated to the Federal administrators and Executors of those limited powers.
The problem is that Municipal Service Corporations owned by US CORP TREASURY have been unlawfully placed ON TOP of sovereign states (with a service contract) to intentionally violate Article IV Section 4 of Constitution AND their sovereignty. A sovereign state Governor must terminate the MSC contract, but there are none. They are all corporate officers. All sovereign Governor positions are currently vacant. Any state citizen may make a claim and become Acting Governor and issue Executive Order to terminate the MSC contract.
We go back to sound money and Fedgov is eliminated?
Sounds like a feel-good story to me.
No that’s what the people thought silver would be in the book. It’s precisely the cause of the economic collapse that results in the dissolution of the Republic. Everyone was happy on day one, and a few months later the silver is worthless somehow and everything goes to shit. The socialists win.
Silver worthless? You can't eat it but you also can't spread a lifetimes worth of food without it spoiling. A medium of exchange.
Wow, that shows how much of a dated period piece that book is. The book is clearly written from a anti-Free Silverite point of view, because it adopts every single flawed argument about muh inflation and muh economic disaster.
We don’t need our money to be gold or silver. Just would be wise to have it pegged to it. Cash is just fine. See Money Masters. The Greenbacks worked great. Then Lincoln was shot.
i'm sure trump has read the book and won't make the same mistakes, everything will be measured and triple checked
I mean whether he’s read it or not I doubt it was his inspiration for anything he intends to do, and certainly not a guidebook.
Because of the address and names
Ingersoll Lockwood, if I remember correctly.
I like the idea of the a States gaining the power and the federal govt losing power.