These aren't the first ones that have been shot down by the russians. They've been many others.
In the last 25 years, Russia focused their weapon systems into defeating the american ones. They have very modern missiles AND anti-missile & AA defense.
In the last 25 years, American weapon manufacturers focused on...their top & bottom line. Expensive stuff that doesn't work, can't last in a protracted conflict, is old (old technology), and we can't even make enough of them. But look at lockheed's stock price.
Also, fighting glorified police operations (iraq, afghanistan) is not a way to keep up with the other nuclear superpowers.
Dont fall for the narrative. This is part of the show. Invinceable Russian military superiority is fake news just as the narrative of bumbling Russian forces they push when it suits them is fake news.
One thing we should have learned is that we live in a world of lies.
Nobody believes Russians are invincible but the lies told are that we in Ameroca are. Sadly we've had traitors sytematically weaken us for decades. Outdated weapons systems, woke military leadership and too many woke troops, and flat out haters of freedom in our government who are compromised by foreign enemies. Russia isn't much better off for sure if at all but we have work to do to bring an effective fighting force back online. Our saving grace is Russia is sick of conflict and wants to developed an economy as we do. The deep state made sure to control the entire chessboard for a long time. Those days are over.
A multi-polar world is forming, the end of England/Vatican/Rothchild reign seem to be coming to an end. The old powers are being replaced, hope we get some gold/silver to compete with BRICS. If anything, an event like this would be a perfect reason for them to ditch the dollar. Missiles were shot, minimal damage for theater... now counter action of a illegal act of war coming up... What happens from here?
The budding Ukrainian Missile Crisis is a 1962 re-run that many of us saw coming because we've been paying attention to the Info War not as a sequence of organically-unfolding events, but as a narrative template being first seeded and then rolled out along a pre-set timeline.
They are guided all right, just not externally controlled. And they are Fast. Air defense systems always have problems with targets that are Fast. And have low radar cross-sections.
But to answer your question, Ukrainians at the behest of their U.S. handlers. The best weapon has poor performance against the wrong target in the wrong environment.
Since the Ukrainians lack the satellite infrastructure necessary and lacks the ability to create the weapon's flight plan, the correct headline would be "NATO fired 6 US-made ATACMS missiles at Russia's Bryansk region" i
So Ukraine just proved that US missiles are only 17% effective vs. Russian missile defenses. Our tax dollars at work.
Useless, military industrial complex grift-product trash. Taxation is theft! And, end the contract for whatever corporation manufactured those shitty missiles!
17% hit rate is most certainly NOT fucking "successful!" That is a fucking abysmal failure, and a disgrace!!!
THOSE MOTHERFUCKING MISSILES WERE BUILT BY THE MOST OVERPRICED MILITARY INDUSTRIAL MACHINE IN THE WORLD!
The brutally overtaxed American taxpayers paid for that useless bullshit! And then, we gave it away to a sleazy Ukrainian greaseball who is using that completely ineffective weaponry to try to drag the US into a nuclear war with Russia.
A fucking SCUD has better hit performance!
So many motherfuckers pushing for this Ukraine war need court-marshal's and firing squads.
You don't even remotely know what you are talking about. ATACMS was designed for an open battlefield, not attacking a target with serious air defense systems. When applied against the designed-for targets, they work just fine, as "greatawakening99" has pointed out.
So fucking what!? A multi-million dollar missile system that is only good for (maybe} hitting defenseless targets!!! I don't want that useless piece of shit anywhere in our military, much less pay for it!
Which is besides the fact that the fucking Ukrainian clowns just proved a huge ass weakness in US missile capabilities to the whole world! They are laughing at us. Pull the contract for whatever incompetent corporation has been sucking down my tax dollars to build that useless garbage, immediately!
They are not expected to do well in a heavily defended context. Kind of like not expecting a .50 caliber machine gun to do well against a tank. But not the same thing as saying a .50 caliber machine gun is worthless against other targets. It has already been pointed out that it does exactly as intended against less-defended targets---targets that are worth destroying. You have a perfectionist attitude that is completely invalid in weapon engineering.
Would you get rid of all our military firearms because they may not kill an enemy soldier with one shot? I guess so. When nothing is perfect enough, what do you propose to use?
So what you are saying is that Biden gave away my overpriced missiles to Ukraine then, authorized a plan to intensionally waste them for something the missiles are clearly not built for. Sounds like we need to fire the US military leaders who actually approved of that plan, along with Joe ByeDone.
You are just peeved. You have no idea whether any missiles are overpriced or not. Yes, they are being wasted from a U.S. inventory standpoint, but they are being used to facilitate the Ukraine war resistance facade and provoke Russia, which is the ulterior motive. Military leaders don't have input to political objectives; they serve them. And do you really believe Joe Biden is running this show? He is just the mouthpiece---but he probably has a huge personal stake in avoiding disclosure of his corruption with Ukraine.
If the "military leaders" had any shred of faith and honor, they would have refused all of this as being an unconstitutional engagement in war with Russia, and arrested both Biden and Harris (or resigned in protest and taken their witness to the press). Which suggests to me there is a Deep State "fifth column" present in the armed services.
We've built a military to fight mud hut insurgents. For wars that expended billions in weapons to keep the money flowing to the MIC. Not for a fight with a first world military.
It might be a situation that it was hit on the way down by their Pantsir-S system. Even though it was "intercepted" the momentum still landed it on target.
So top of the line US long range missiles shot down by a missile system that rolled out in 2007? LOL...
Why is that a surprise?
These aren't the first ones that have been shot down by the russians. They've been many others.
In the last 25 years, Russia focused their weapon systems into defeating the american ones. They have very modern missiles AND anti-missile & AA defense.
In the last 25 years, American weapon manufacturers focused on...their top & bottom line. Expensive stuff that doesn't work, can't last in a protracted conflict, is old (old technology), and we can't even make enough of them. But look at lockheed's stock price.
Also, fighting glorified police operations (iraq, afghanistan) is not a way to keep up with the other nuclear superpowers.
Dont fall for the narrative. This is part of the show. Invinceable Russian military superiority is fake news just as the narrative of bumbling Russian forces they push when it suits them is fake news.
One thing we should have learned is that we live in a world of lies.
Ukraine doesn't have anyone trained in ATACMS systems.
I'm sure some folks are on lend from NATO
Nobody believes Russians are invincible but the lies told are that we in Ameroca are. Sadly we've had traitors sytematically weaken us for decades. Outdated weapons systems, woke military leadership and too many woke troops, and flat out haters of freedom in our government who are compromised by foreign enemies. Russia isn't much better off for sure if at all but we have work to do to bring an effective fighting force back online. Our saving grace is Russia is sick of conflict and wants to developed an economy as we do. The deep state made sure to control the entire chessboard for a long time. Those days are over.
A multi-polar world is forming, the end of England/Vatican/Rothchild reign seem to be coming to an end. The old powers are being replaced, hope we get some gold/silver to compete with BRICS. If anything, an event like this would be a perfect reason for them to ditch the dollar. Missiles were shot, minimal damage for theater... now counter action of a illegal act of war coming up... What happens from here?
The budding Ukrainian Missile Crisis is a 1962 re-run that many of us saw coming because we've been paying attention to the Info War not as a sequence of organically-unfolding events, but as a narrative template being first seeded and then rolled out along a pre-set timeline.
https://truthsocial.com/@BurningBright/113510332438527916
So Zelensky forgot to ask for the owners manual?
I thought they were so sophisticated that you needed American or NATO troops to fire them
They absolutely are. And depend on US satellites for guidance & targeting information.
Which should be a GIGANTIC HINT HINT about the status & capabilities of US weapons vis-a-vis Russia (and China).
This isn't iraq in 1991.
Nope. Is this the point of letting this happen? To show the people more shit?
Good comment
Who would have thought unguided stupid missiles are easy to shoot down.
They are guided all right, just not externally controlled. And they are Fast. Air defense systems always have problems with targets that are Fast. And have low radar cross-sections.
But to answer your question, Ukrainians at the behest of their U.S. handlers. The best weapon has poor performance against the wrong target in the wrong environment.
The Su400s are last-gen too
Actually they are an older generation missile system. The S-500 and S-550 are the newest gen they have available.
What did you think I meant by “last-gen”?
They are not current of the current generation.
There's no bomb damage assessment here.
This is like reporting on a press release.
There's ways folks can try to assess any damage.
Satellite Imagery should be available in a few days.
I've seen NASA's fire imagery used for this. This was after that massive explosions on an ammo dump back in September.
https://universemagazine.com/en/nasa-satellites-observed-a-fire-at-a-russian-missile-depot/
Here's the tool.
https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Ffirms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov%2Fsatellite-imagery%2F&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Cagsadl3%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
Well, that was certainly worth risking a major expansion of this lost war! I am sure that Putin will imediately sue for peace and offer reparations!
Battle Damage Assessment (BDA)
Since the Ukrainians lack the satellite infrastructure necessary and lacks the ability to create the weapon's flight plan, the correct headline would be "NATO fired 6 US-made ATACMS missiles at Russia's Bryansk region" i
Not even NATO if we are the only holders of the keys to the system. Just US.
So Ukraine just proved that US missiles are only 17% effective vs. Russian missile defenses. Our tax dollars at work.
Useless, military industrial complex grift-product trash. Taxation is theft! And, end the contract for whatever corporation manufactured those shitty missiles!
17
This missiles have already been used successfully
17% hit rate is most certainly NOT fucking "successful!" That is a fucking abysmal failure, and a disgrace!!!
THOSE MOTHERFUCKING MISSILES WERE BUILT BY THE MOST OVERPRICED MILITARY INDUSTRIAL MACHINE IN THE WORLD!
The brutally overtaxed American taxpayers paid for that useless bullshit! And then, we gave it away to a sleazy Ukrainian greaseball who is using that completely ineffective weaponry to try to drag the US into a nuclear war with Russia.
A fucking SCUD has better hit performance!
So many motherfuckers pushing for this Ukraine war need court-marshal's and firing squads.
You don't even remotely know what you are talking about. ATACMS was designed for an open battlefield, not attacking a target with serious air defense systems. When applied against the designed-for targets, they work just fine, as "greatawakening99" has pointed out.
So fucking what!? A multi-million dollar missile system that is only good for (maybe} hitting defenseless targets!!! I don't want that useless piece of shit anywhere in our military, much less pay for it!
Which is besides the fact that the fucking Ukrainian clowns just proved a huge ass weakness in US missile capabilities to the whole world! They are laughing at us. Pull the contract for whatever incompetent corporation has been sucking down my tax dollars to build that useless garbage, immediately!
They are not expected to do well in a heavily defended context. Kind of like not expecting a .50 caliber machine gun to do well against a tank. But not the same thing as saying a .50 caliber machine gun is worthless against other targets. It has already been pointed out that it does exactly as intended against less-defended targets---targets that are worth destroying. You have a perfectionist attitude that is completely invalid in weapon engineering.
Would you get rid of all our military firearms because they may not kill an enemy soldier with one shot? I guess so. When nothing is perfect enough, what do you propose to use?
So what you are saying is that Biden gave away my overpriced missiles to Ukraine then, authorized a plan to intensionally waste them for something the missiles are clearly not built for. Sounds like we need to fire the US military leaders who actually approved of that plan, along with Joe ByeDone.
You are just peeved. You have no idea whether any missiles are overpriced or not. Yes, they are being wasted from a U.S. inventory standpoint, but they are being used to facilitate the Ukraine war resistance facade and provoke Russia, which is the ulterior motive. Military leaders don't have input to political objectives; they serve them. And do you really believe Joe Biden is running this show? He is just the mouthpiece---but he probably has a huge personal stake in avoiding disclosure of his corruption with Ukraine.
If the "military leaders" had any shred of faith and honor, they would have refused all of this as being an unconstitutional engagement in war with Russia, and arrested both Biden and Harris (or resigned in protest and taken their witness to the press). Which suggests to me there is a Deep State "fifth column" present in the armed services.
This is not the first time ATACMS have been used this war. And yes they have been used successfully.
As for this strike we don't have any actual assessment of the success rate. Give it a couple of days.
Mess around with Putin and FAFO.
Could they have been detonated in mid flight, think Hunt For Red October when James Earl Jone hit the button on the torpedo.
We've built a military to fight mud hut insurgents. For wars that expended billions in weapons to keep the money flowing to the MIC. Not for a fight with a first world military.
The fragments fell in the technical zone of a military area and caused a fire. LOL. Translation: it hit its intended target and blew it up.
It might be a situation that it was hit on the way down by their Pantsir-S system. Even though it was "intercepted" the momentum still landed it on target.
Yeah, air defense worked and YET it hit exactly where it was intended