Taxes are unconstitutional.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how income taxes are "unconstitutional" when they are explicitly allowed by an amendment to the constitution. There are a lot of people in the thread here who don't know how the constitution works.
IF the 16th indeed does that.
1: From memory I recall that during a court-case the judge ruled that the 16th did not grant new taxing power.
So, if in 1898 is was ruled unconstitutional, and later it was ruled, no new powers were granted by the 16th, then it follows: IRS contributions are unconstitutional, unless .... you declared yourself guilty to it.
Or do employers not by default shove a certification to that effect under your nose as part of your on boarding as an employee?
Do employers enter into contract with the IRS to do these things?
Hence, voluntary. But there are ways to unburden yourself by what has been.
2: 16th was never ratified. The amendment is not part of the Constitution. It has no function in law, or consequences in law. Null and void. This is well documented to be the case.
Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co. (1916) said that the 16th amendment did not grant congress new powers (they have always had the power to levy taxes), but that congress could exercise this power without need for apportionment.
Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895) was the reason why the 16th amendment exists. This court case stuck down certain taxes, because they were not apportioned to the people in the individual states
Yeah, I'm going to need proof on that. From what I understand, there were some procedural oddities, but the 16th amendment was ratified by 42 states, and only 36 were needed. Which states did not pass it? There was a case (United States v. Thomas (1986)) where someone tried to say income taxes were not constitutional, and that was shot down.
What are you talking about? The headquarters for the IRS are based in Washington D.C.
Too many crossed wires there in part 2. 16th was deemed ratified, and although IRS started as a territorial bureau they inherited enforcement in the several states too because the income tax presumes a federal nexus. See my main comment here for more.
There is the 16th amendment. However, I do not know of any law congress passed that says we must pay income tax. There is tax code from the IR$, but that seems more like a mandate which s not a law. I would really like to understand this better. It is also important to note that SCOTUS struck down Chevron Doctrine last year. This means the courts do not refer these things to agencies anymore. The courts can now rule based on law, not the opinion of an agency. If no law, no taxes....
Aren't there a lot of laws? Like, when Congress changes the percentages of who pays what, isn't that all the new laws? President Trump gave people a temporary tax break in 2017, that was a law as well