Too bad the survivors of their sacrifice at Gallipoli didn't return home with more of that realization about their owners. At least the Turks respected their efforts.
At Buna Mission it has been said that the only thing more dangerous for an American, than the Japanese Imperial Marines , was to become mixed in with the Aussies. Only one command ever given "Forward"
The Australians learned some valuable lessons the hard way from the Gallipoli campaign. The lessons resulted in Lt Gen John Monash developing a new type of warfare that resulted in catastrophic German defeats in 1918.
The Buna campaign is interesting to study. The unfortunate troops of the US Army 32nd (Red Arrow) Division were thrown into one of the worst combat situations imaginable before they were properly trained and acclimatised.
The Australians at Buna, the 18th Brigade of the 7th Division AIF, were already battle hardened. They had been in the Seige of Tobruk in 1941, then the Milne Bay campaign in Papua in 1942.
Very interesting History!
Americans and Australians have been serving together in various conflicts since 1918.
No one in the states knows of 32nd winning UGLY but sometimes that's all you got.
Before Buna they were throwing men 500 at time in the trenches on the Northside trail down to Moresby still just WW 1 layers of trenches at that point. Like the Alamo sometimes you just have to hang tough & hope for the best.
Winning ugly is right,fren. General Macarthur wasn't really concerned about the welfare of his troops.
The Australians just wanted to lay siege to that area from Gona to Buna. It wasn't worth the casualties to assault those locations. The Australians wanted to just use artillery and airstikes to wear the Japanese down and let disease finish the Japanese off.
It appears Macarthur was feeling threatened by his enemies in Washington and the US Army and US Navy. He wanted to clear the Japanese from Papua as quickly as possible, then advance into New Guinea.
The North Coast of Papua Campaign, due to Macarthur's impatience resulted in many unnecessary casualties.
In 1942 General Macarthur was in command of all land and Air Forces in the South West Pacific Theatre. The US Navy was also party under his command (The US Navy wasn't thrilled to bits about this!)
I'll try to keep this complex situation as brief as I can.
After Coral Sea and Midway, what you could call phase 2 of the Pacific War kicked off with Japanese landings in the Southern Solomon Islands ("Guadalcanal), the North Coast of Papua at Gona and Buna, later at Milne Bay on the Eastern tip of Papua.
At that time the Australians were already conducting Guerrilla warfare campaigns on Timor and in the Wua/Mubo areas of New Guinea to threaten Salamaua and Lae with the intention of tying down large numbers of Japanese troops.
The Japanese advanced from the Gona/Buna area and moved down the Kokoda track to capture Port Moresby (Coral Sea stop the amphibious invasion)
The US Marines land on Guadalcanal and establish a defensive perimeter.
Long story short, the Australians eventually forced the Japanese back up the Kokoda track.
The Australians of the 18th Brigade 7th Division and the 7th Milita Brigade defend Milne Bay. The Japanese abandon the Milne Bay campaign.
The Japanese dig into defensive positions at Gona ( West) Sanananda (Centre) and Buna (East) along the coast.
Elements of 3 Australian Divisions encircle Gona and Sanananda, the US 32nd Division is given Buna to take care of.
The problem was that the 32nd Division, a National Guard unit recruited mainly from Michigan and Illinois, hadn't been sufficiently trained in jungle warfare.
Their first assault ended in failure as the Japanese counter attacked and sent the Americans running. The Japanese weren't sufficiently strong enough to follow up so they went back to their defensive positions.
The Australians capture Gona and tighten the noose around Sanananda.
The Australians from the 18th Brigade 7th Division then assist the Americans in capturing Buna and then Sanananda is captured.
That is an extremely brief history of the Papuan Campaign in 1942/1943.
Studying History like this can reveal events that indicate Illuminati/ Deep State influence.
Whoops, sorry about that,fren. Now you have a basic knowledge of the Papuan Campaign that you'll never use in your life!
Now getting down to Rule 303,( I better be careful here, as I don't want to offend purkiss80 or other South Africans)
During the Second Boer War, 1899-1902, in the second phase, the Counterinsurgency against the Boer Commandos, Australian troops excelled in hunting down and destroying the Boer Commandos.
There was an Officer named Harry "Breaker" Morant, who ended up in a lot of trouble!
"We applied rule .303. We caught them and we shot them under rule .303."
The Pacific theater of war was brutal. After Japan bombed Darwin in February 1942, the Prime Minister John Curtin asked Churchill to return the Australian troops from Europe and other places and help defend Australia. Churchill gave him the finger, so Curtin struck a deal with the US, and that's how the US/AU alliance was born.
I agreed, fren. Churchill could be a scheming, manipulating devil when he wanted to be. He first tried that angle with Menzies, that the 3 Australian Divisions (6th,7th,9th) would stay in the Middle East, and with Roosevelt's agreement, US troops would defend Australia. Menzies refused to accept that plan and Churchill backed down.
Then when Curtin became PM, Churchill tried again. Curtin said no, Australian troops would come back to Australia. After some arguing, Churchill agreed to release the 6th and 7th Divisions,but keep the 9th Division in the Middle East.
On the voyage home, the 6th Division was redirected to Ceylon and the 2/3 Machine Gun battalion and an Anti Aircraft unit of the 7th Division were redirected to Java.
These 7th Division units were captured when Java fell to the Japanese.
Thank God that most of the 7th Division came home. The 6th Division eventually came home from Ceylon in late 1942.
Curtin wasn't a well man, and when the convoys were at sea, the worry almost killed him.
Some of the awful mistakes Curtin made were when the British weren't going to reinforce Malaya, he should have insisted the 8th Division should come home from Malaya. When Malaya fell to the Japanese, most of the 8th Division were captured as well as the third Brigade of the 8th Division that was deployed in Battalion Groups to Ambon, West Timor and Rabaul in New Britain. Only a small number managed to eventually be evacuated from Timor and New Britain,
Also by agreeing to leave the 9th Division in the Middle East along with various RAAF fighter squadrons, and other RAAF personnel in the UK, Curtin should have tried to do a deal for the British to supply Australia with aircraft such as Spitfires.
Another mistake Curtin made was to place Australian Forces under US command.
The Australian Army and its Commanders were far more experienced than the Americans.
Sorry about the long comment, fren, I can't help myself, this History is fascinating!
Happy to chat. I know the general themes and some things from family who fought during WW2, and others who were in Europe during the war. Those family members who fought, would never let a bad word be said about America. The more I learn about the what happened during the war, I understand why they said that. Western countries with western values need to stand together. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Oswald from the book depository never blew JFK's brain's backwards onto the lengthy extended trunk of the Lincoln Continental the poor targets were in...
The bullet penetrating outward still has its tip intact. You can see a bead of material around the evacuation hole. Sorry but this is bullshit to create some sort of sensationalism at the "exhibit". Either that or someone played a clever joke to see how stupid people are, and was likely impressed since the ruse continues today.
At Gallipoli, especially at places like Lone Pine, people find numerous examples of fused together and pierced bullets.
The fused together bullets struck each other dead on centre of both points.
The fighting was extremely intense.
As a quick observation, the pierced bullet appears to be a .303 and the piecing bullet is a 7.92 mm Mauser.
More Rule 303. Less evil.
Definitely, fren. If there is a problem, Rule 303 will usually solve The problem!
Too bad the survivors of their sacrifice at Gallipoli didn't return home with more of that realization about their owners. At least the Turks respected their efforts.
At Buna Mission it has been said that the only thing more dangerous for an American, than the Japanese Imperial Marines , was to become mixed in with the Aussies. Only one command ever given "Forward"
The Australians learned some valuable lessons the hard way from the Gallipoli campaign. The lessons resulted in Lt Gen John Monash developing a new type of warfare that resulted in catastrophic German defeats in 1918.
The Buna campaign is interesting to study. The unfortunate troops of the US Army 32nd (Red Arrow) Division were thrown into one of the worst combat situations imaginable before they were properly trained and acclimatised.
The Australians at Buna, the 18th Brigade of the 7th Division AIF, were already battle hardened. They had been in the Seige of Tobruk in 1941, then the Milne Bay campaign in Papua in 1942.
Very interesting History!
Americans and Australians have been serving together in various conflicts since 1918.
No one in the states knows of 32nd winning UGLY but sometimes that's all you got. Before Buna they were throwing men 500 at time in the trenches on the Northside trail down to Moresby still just WW 1 layers of trenches at that point. Like the Alamo sometimes you just have to hang tough & hope for the best.
But now "Forward" is the order of CIC.
Winning ugly is right,fren. General Macarthur wasn't really concerned about the welfare of his troops.
The Australians just wanted to lay siege to that area from Gona to Buna. It wasn't worth the casualties to assault those locations. The Australians wanted to just use artillery and airstikes to wear the Japanese down and let disease finish the Japanese off.
It appears Macarthur was feeling threatened by his enemies in Washington and the US Army and US Navy. He wanted to clear the Japanese from Papua as quickly as possible, then advance into New Guinea.
The North Coast of Papua Campaign, due to Macarthur's impatience resulted in many unnecessary casualties.
Not familiar with this, do tell.
The Buna campaign, fren?
In 1942 General Macarthur was in command of all land and Air Forces in the South West Pacific Theatre. The US Navy was also party under his command (The US Navy wasn't thrilled to bits about this!)
I'll try to keep this complex situation as brief as I can.
After Coral Sea and Midway, what you could call phase 2 of the Pacific War kicked off with Japanese landings in the Southern Solomon Islands ("Guadalcanal), the North Coast of Papua at Gona and Buna, later at Milne Bay on the Eastern tip of Papua.
At that time the Australians were already conducting Guerrilla warfare campaigns on Timor and in the Wua/Mubo areas of New Guinea to threaten Salamaua and Lae with the intention of tying down large numbers of Japanese troops.
The Japanese advanced from the Gona/Buna area and moved down the Kokoda track to capture Port Moresby (Coral Sea stop the amphibious invasion)
The US Marines land on Guadalcanal and establish a defensive perimeter.
Long story short, the Australians eventually forced the Japanese back up the Kokoda track.
The Australians of the 18th Brigade 7th Division and the 7th Milita Brigade defend Milne Bay. The Japanese abandon the Milne Bay campaign.
The Japanese dig into defensive positions at Gona ( West) Sanananda (Centre) and Buna (East) along the coast.
Elements of 3 Australian Divisions encircle Gona and Sanananda, the US 32nd Division is given Buna to take care of.
The problem was that the 32nd Division, a National Guard unit recruited mainly from Michigan and Illinois, hadn't been sufficiently trained in jungle warfare.
Their first assault ended in failure as the Japanese counter attacked and sent the Americans running. The Japanese weren't sufficiently strong enough to follow up so they went back to their defensive positions.
The Australians capture Gona and tighten the noose around Sanananda.
The Australians from the 18th Brigade 7th Division then assist the Americans in capturing Buna and then Sanananda is captured.
That is an extremely brief history of the Papuan Campaign in 1942/1943.
Studying History like this can reveal events that indicate Illuminati/ Deep State influence.
Enjoy,fren!
Thanks for the history lesson but I was actually referring to “rule 303”.
Whoops, sorry about that,fren. Now you have a basic knowledge of the Papuan Campaign that you'll never use in your life!
Now getting down to Rule 303,( I better be careful here, as I don't want to offend purkiss80 or other South Africans)
During the Second Boer War, 1899-1902, in the second phase, the Counterinsurgency against the Boer Commandos, Australian troops excelled in hunting down and destroying the Boer Commandos.
There was an Officer named Harry "Breaker" Morant, who ended up in a lot of trouble!
"We applied rule .303. We caught them and we shot them under rule .303."
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rule%20303
Here is pretty good an article about Harry "Breaker" Morant.
https://www.historynet.com/the-breaking-of-harry-morant/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-15/pardon-sought-for-breaker-morant/364274
There is much more to this story that would impact British Military Law!
The Pacific theater of war was brutal. After Japan bombed Darwin in February 1942, the Prime Minister John Curtin asked Churchill to return the Australian troops from Europe and other places and help defend Australia. Churchill gave him the finger, so Curtin struck a deal with the US, and that's how the US/AU alliance was born.
I agreed, fren. Churchill could be a scheming, manipulating devil when he wanted to be. He first tried that angle with Menzies, that the 3 Australian Divisions (6th,7th,9th) would stay in the Middle East, and with Roosevelt's agreement, US troops would defend Australia. Menzies refused to accept that plan and Churchill backed down.
Then when Curtin became PM, Churchill tried again. Curtin said no, Australian troops would come back to Australia. After some arguing, Churchill agreed to release the 6th and 7th Divisions,but keep the 9th Division in the Middle East.
On the voyage home, the 6th Division was redirected to Ceylon and the 2/3 Machine Gun battalion and an Anti Aircraft unit of the 7th Division were redirected to Java. These 7th Division units were captured when Java fell to the Japanese.
Thank God that most of the 7th Division came home. The 6th Division eventually came home from Ceylon in late 1942.
Curtin wasn't a well man, and when the convoys were at sea, the worry almost killed him.
Some of the awful mistakes Curtin made were when the British weren't going to reinforce Malaya, he should have insisted the 8th Division should come home from Malaya. When Malaya fell to the Japanese, most of the 8th Division were captured as well as the third Brigade of the 8th Division that was deployed in Battalion Groups to Ambon, West Timor and Rabaul in New Britain. Only a small number managed to eventually be evacuated from Timor and New Britain,
Also by agreeing to leave the 9th Division in the Middle East along with various RAAF fighter squadrons, and other RAAF personnel in the UK, Curtin should have tried to do a deal for the British to supply Australia with aircraft such as Spitfires.
Another mistake Curtin made was to place Australian Forces under US command. The Australian Army and its Commanders were far more experienced than the Americans.
Sorry about the long comment, fren, I can't help myself, this History is fascinating!
Happy to chat. I know the general themes and some things from family who fought during WW2, and others who were in Europe during the war. Those family members who fought, would never let a bad word be said about America. The more I learn about the what happened during the war, I understand why they said that. Western countries with western values need to stand together. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Oswald killed JFK.
Oswald from the book depository never blew JFK's brain's backwards onto the lengthy extended trunk of the Lincoln Continental the poor targets were in...
.... something more unlikely ...
Satanists winning.
Democrat tell the truth.
Socialism ""works"" in the sense that it spreads/maximizes death (war, famine, overarching bureaucracy) which was the real intended goal.
I call bullshit
Lol
The bullet penetrating outward still has its tip intact. You can see a bead of material around the evacuation hole. Sorry but this is bullshit to create some sort of sensationalism at the "exhibit". Either that or someone played a clever joke to see how stupid people are, and was likely impressed since the ruse continues today.
This. 2 rifle rounds hitting each other basically disintegrate. Even if one was just lying on the ground this aint happening.
Thank you for your like minded thoughts. We are correct. This is total and utter BS
SOMETHING more unlikely to happen (that 2 bullets piercing each other)...
DEMOCRATS ADMITTING THEY STOLE 2020
Accurate, just like the shots
GOD'S WORD TO FAIL!
How do they calculate probably 1/1Billion ?
I'm not sure it's that unlikely with everyone firing bullets like crazy