They've been doing this for decades. HOW MANY children who were declared "brain dead" within 72 hours and whose parents were convinced by the hospital staff to allow them to dissect their children who may have woke up in a week or two for the hospitals profit?
Sorry if your family member survived thanks to my brother's kidney or lung or heart, but I'd rather have my brother.
That news story where the hospital administrator ordered a "brain dead" patient sedated so they wouldn't keep waking up during harvesting made me revoke my donation status. They had been at it for years with past complaints from medical staff about their harvesting tactics, and the only reason she was caught finally was because the patient was so alive the doctors simply refused to do the surgery... and after ordered to sedate they confronted her. She still insisted on sedation, but the doctor was intelligent enough to overrule her since brain dead means sedation is NEVER necessary by definition. So when the "dead" patient asked why he was in the operating room the fan got real dirty. I didn't follow it up by I have a feeling she somehow managed to escape murder charges and snagged a real light punishment with some high paid external legal assistance from an unknown benefactor.
During my time as a nurse I witnessed first hand what their tactics were. My patient was a healthy young man who'd had a head injury. They did a 24 hour EEG test to determine brain activity. He was not brain dead, but they kept trying to convince his parents that he was. I don't know how it all turned out because I was assigned different patients on another floor. I prayed that his parents stood their ground against the "harvesting" team. It was all so ghoulish, and all I could think of was how much money they'd be making on his organs.
Man thats horrific. And it happens all the time. I used to believe in donating until i learned about the horrors involved and how they say screw the person lets butcher.
The son of a friend was in a car accident. He was in a coma for a week. The hospital convinced the parents that he was brain dead, and they could do a wonderful thing by donating his organs, so their son "could live on in someone else's body. The parents were heart-broken but agreed. I didn't have the heart to tell them that his organs weren't donated, they were harvested and sold.
This topic was one of my first red pills. Back in university days an assistant professor for whom I worked recounted a harrowing experience at our local hospital. A relative was in an automobile accident. While in emergency care the family was put under intense pressure to agree the patient was beyond saving and to consent to organ harvesting. When they resisted the hospital staff became increasingly hostile.
Do not check the organ donor box on your drivers license he said to me. At the next opportunity I left that box open.
The timeline of History is divided into B.C. and A.C. Before Covid and After Covid. The Covid years demonstrated for all to see that no matter what the country, when push comes to shove the medical system is systemically adversarial to your health. I for one can never look at humanity the same way again.
I will not dispute that the organ harvesting industry has some shady shit going on, but I have to disagree with Dr. Byrne's statement that "brain death" does not exist. Firat, the semantics: "brain death" isn't always an accurate description of what is occuring. If you want to argue about terminology and definitions, we can do that separately. I would like to focus on two procedures (Dr. Byrne is correct that these are not "tests"), the apnea challenge, and the brain perfusion scan.
First, the apnea challenge. A patient on a ventilator, who shows no electrical activity on the EEG (electroencephalogam) and who also is unresponsive to other brain activity tests (like the nystagmus test, which Dr. Byrne referred to as the eye and ear test) is a candidate for the apnea challenge. During the apnea challenge, the goal is to stimulate the patient's central chemoreceptors. The human body has two internal breathing triggers: the central chemoteceptors in the brain stem, activated by the presence of too much CO2 in the blood ("I need to get rid of this metabolic waste product by expelling it out of my lungs"), and peripheral chemoreceptors in the carotid artery and aorta, activated by the absence of O2 in the blood ("I need to get more oxygen into my body by breathing in").
The patient's sedation is lowered to prevent interference with breathing, and oxygen is delivered through the endotracheal tube while the ventilator rate is set to 0 breaths per minute for 10 minutes. The body's metaboloc processes continue, using the high-flow oxygen that is coming into the tube (enough O2 reaches the distal airways by way of Fick's law of gas diffusion) and these processes produce CO2 as waste. As CO2 builds up in the blood, the central chemoreceptors should be triggered, meaning that the body recognizes that it needs to breath. In a scenario where the brain does not trigger a breath, perhaps the term "brain inactivity" would be a more appropriate term, but the person would not survive on their won without mechanical ventilation, and is als umresponsive with no voluntary muscular activity. I'd also like to comment that while Dr. Byrne's comment about the apnea challenge causing a toxicity in the brain is true in theory (rising CO2 levels decrease pH making the blood more acidic, which is bad for the brain), the normal metabolic processes involved during the time limit of the test (max 10 minutes) cannot cause a damaging change in pH.
Second procedure, is one that I don't think Dr. Byrne mentioned (yes, I watched the 16 minute version of the video), called the brain perfusion scan. This is a computed tomography scan of the blood flow through the brain. If this test shows no blood flow, the brain is in fact dead. Just like any other organ or body part, the brain requires blood flow to bring oxygen and remove metabolic waste (including CO2). Without that blood flow, the brain tissues will become necrotic and eventually die.
Again, I do not dispute then FACT that there is shady shit going on in hospitals, with medical personnel pushing for organ harvesting in cases where the patient could have or would have survived. And to anyone in this thread who has gone through an experience like that I am truly sorry. This post is simply disagreeing with (and providing rationale against) Dr Byrne's assertion that "brain death" does not exist.
She was zipped up in a body bag as a DOA cadaver on scene - yet she still managed to wake up screaming and opened up the body bag to prove they had already about her death right on camera. That never sat right with me, I wonder what she was going to say?
I'm certain she was murdered at the hospital, like that Email server leak guy that walked calmly into the ambulance smiling and talking, yet was reported to have been shot to death in global news. His death at the hospital (as a local politician raced to visit immediately - how did they know? The family weren't even informed yet making it a HIPPA crime to keep politicians informed of everything the least evil justification) wasn't reported, they always made it seem like a DOA.
I know someone who was in an accident a few weeks ago and was fighting with the paramedics in the ambulance. Then the hospital put him on fentanyl and a ventilator. He slowly faded into the state of unresponsiveness that fentanyl causes and the hospital declared him brain dead. Then they harvested his organs. I’m positive he would have survived and that he was murdered by the doctors. This should be banned nationwide and we should give it a name like “late stage abortion”.
And doctors that have done it should be prosecuted for murder.
The nurse said they harvest nearly everything including blood vessels, and a person’s body is worth about $10 million to the hospital in the fees they collect from harvesting and transplants.
I know a man who was severely injured at work. His wife was told he was brain dead. She would not donate and insisted he was treated agressively. He lived and had a good life. Yes, he had brain damage. Yes, he walked with a limp, but he held and loved his grandchildren.
I will always check the box!!! - And my kids will too. I am not saying there isn't corruption. There is and this should be dealt with. However, my wife is with me here today, and with our kids due to a transplant. I will also second the notion someone else posted on here that brain death does indeed occur. This is the "will not survive if unplugged" decision that unfortunately some have to deal with. However, until you've had the mother of your children and the love of your life saved by a donated liver you don't know. The amount I learned about transplants in general is far greater than anyone that hasn't been through it with a loved one. I am 100% convinced that organ harvesting saves vastly more lives than it takes away due to an intentionally bad reading of being brain dead. The vast majority of doctors are in it for the patients and care about what they are doing. There may be some bad examples here and there or in a sectioned off from the norm nook like Planned Parenthood, but by and large I encourage everyone to CHECK THAT BOX!
Same with you here. My dad got to meet 5 out of 6 of his grandkids because of a donor. Now I just wish he wouldn’t get every vaccine his organ doctor recommended to him
My wife too had a liver transplant. She's still with us thanks to a transplant. We pray for the person who died so she could live. I've heard about that and no doubt with what they did to us over covid, there's not much trust left.
Some of yall genuinely don’t know what you are talking about. Organ donation saves lives out of tragedy. If you want something to complain about, how about 70% of donations are kidneys because we have a diabetic nation? Or, did you know a majority of donors are phenty overdoses? If someone is brain dead chances are their loved ones (if they have any) aren’t going to lose all their money keeping someone tied to machines indefinitely. Sorry if the truth hurts, but this is a much more nuanced topic than this community tends to give it.
Yup i have that removed from my drivers licence and will never consent to it for me or my family. Did you know They have to sedate the people they are butchering because they make noises and pain faces and it was upsetting the murders in the harvest room.
I read somewhere that those involved with the butchering never sign up to be harvested. Would you if you saw the lack of empathy and the rush to butcher for money. While i do feel bad for ppl in need of transplants, if i or my family member has a small chance of pulling through i fucking well want that chance.
They fucking stole my younger brothers organs
Sorry for your loss.
May your brother rest in peace.
They've been doing this for decades. HOW MANY children who were declared "brain dead" within 72 hours and whose parents were convinced by the hospital staff to allow them to dissect their children who may have woke up in a week or two for the hospitals profit?
Sorry if your family member survived thanks to my brother's kidney or lung or heart, but I'd rather have my brother.
That news story where the hospital administrator ordered a "brain dead" patient sedated so they wouldn't keep waking up during harvesting made me revoke my donation status. They had been at it for years with past complaints from medical staff about their harvesting tactics, and the only reason she was caught finally was because the patient was so alive the doctors simply refused to do the surgery... and after ordered to sedate they confronted her. She still insisted on sedation, but the doctor was intelligent enough to overrule her since brain dead means sedation is NEVER necessary by definition. So when the "dead" patient asked why he was in the operating room the fan got real dirty. I didn't follow it up by I have a feeling she somehow managed to escape murder charges and snagged a real light punishment with some high paid external legal assistance from an unknown benefactor.
Oh they always sedate because a lot of people moan or make pain faces when being murdered and it upsets the murderers.
During my time as a nurse I witnessed first hand what their tactics were. My patient was a healthy young man who'd had a head injury. They did a 24 hour EEG test to determine brain activity. He was not brain dead, but they kept trying to convince his parents that he was. I don't know how it all turned out because I was assigned different patients on another floor. I prayed that his parents stood their ground against the "harvesting" team. It was all so ghoulish, and all I could think of was how much money they'd be making on his organs.
Man thats horrific. And it happens all the time. I used to believe in donating until i learned about the horrors involved and how they say screw the person lets butcher.
The son of a friend was in a car accident. He was in a coma for a week. The hospital convinced the parents that he was brain dead, and they could do a wonderful thing by donating his organs, so their son "could live on in someone else's body. The parents were heart-broken but agreed. I didn't have the heart to tell them that his organs weren't donated, they were harvested and sold.
That's so sad, and unfortunately it's the way it's actually done.
I CAN'T WAIT to see these FUCKING GHOULS get theirs!
Oh I'm terribly sorry
F
A tough red pill to swallow, but necessary..
I took my name off the list years ago.
This topic was one of my first red pills. Back in university days an assistant professor for whom I worked recounted a harrowing experience at our local hospital. A relative was in an automobile accident. While in emergency care the family was put under intense pressure to agree the patient was beyond saving and to consent to organ harvesting. When they resisted the hospital staff became increasingly hostile.
Do not check the organ donor box on your drivers license he said to me. At the next opportunity I left that box open.
The timeline of History is divided into B.C. and A.C. Before Covid and After Covid. The Covid years demonstrated for all to see that no matter what the country, when push comes to shove the medical system is systemically adversarial to your health. I for one can never look at humanity the same way again.
You and me both brother.
Amen.
I will not dispute that the organ harvesting industry has some shady shit going on, but I have to disagree with Dr. Byrne's statement that "brain death" does not exist. Firat, the semantics: "brain death" isn't always an accurate description of what is occuring. If you want to argue about terminology and definitions, we can do that separately. I would like to focus on two procedures (Dr. Byrne is correct that these are not "tests"), the apnea challenge, and the brain perfusion scan.
First, the apnea challenge. A patient on a ventilator, who shows no electrical activity on the EEG (electroencephalogam) and who also is unresponsive to other brain activity tests (like the nystagmus test, which Dr. Byrne referred to as the eye and ear test) is a candidate for the apnea challenge. During the apnea challenge, the goal is to stimulate the patient's central chemoreceptors. The human body has two internal breathing triggers: the central chemoteceptors in the brain stem, activated by the presence of too much CO2 in the blood ("I need to get rid of this metabolic waste product by expelling it out of my lungs"), and peripheral chemoreceptors in the carotid artery and aorta, activated by the absence of O2 in the blood ("I need to get more oxygen into my body by breathing in").
The patient's sedation is lowered to prevent interference with breathing, and oxygen is delivered through the endotracheal tube while the ventilator rate is set to 0 breaths per minute for 10 minutes. The body's metaboloc processes continue, using the high-flow oxygen that is coming into the tube (enough O2 reaches the distal airways by way of Fick's law of gas diffusion) and these processes produce CO2 as waste. As CO2 builds up in the blood, the central chemoreceptors should be triggered, meaning that the body recognizes that it needs to breath. In a scenario where the brain does not trigger a breath, perhaps the term "brain inactivity" would be a more appropriate term, but the person would not survive on their won without mechanical ventilation, and is als umresponsive with no voluntary muscular activity. I'd also like to comment that while Dr. Byrne's comment about the apnea challenge causing a toxicity in the brain is true in theory (rising CO2 levels decrease pH making the blood more acidic, which is bad for the brain), the normal metabolic processes involved during the time limit of the test (max 10 minutes) cannot cause a damaging change in pH.
Second procedure, is one that I don't think Dr. Byrne mentioned (yes, I watched the 16 minute version of the video), called the brain perfusion scan. This is a computed tomography scan of the blood flow through the brain. If this test shows no blood flow, the brain is in fact dead. Just like any other organ or body part, the brain requires blood flow to bring oxygen and remove metabolic waste (including CO2). Without that blood flow, the brain tissues will become necrotic and eventually die.
Again, I do not dispute then FACT that there is shady shit going on in hospitals, with medical personnel pushing for organ harvesting in cases where the patient could have or would have survived. And to anyone in this thread who has gone through an experience like that I am truly sorry. This post is simply disagreeing with (and providing rationale against) Dr Byrne's assertion that "brain death" does not exist.
Thank you for this explanation!
I remember when Anne Heche died in the hospital they said her organs were "harvested". That's a different entire meaning than donated.
They're all sick bastards.
She was zipped up in a body bag as a DOA cadaver on scene - yet she still managed to wake up screaming and opened up the body bag to prove they had already about her death right on camera. That never sat right with me, I wonder what she was going to say?
I'm certain she was murdered at the hospital, like that Email server leak guy that walked calmly into the ambulance smiling and talking, yet was reported to have been shot to death in global news. His death at the hospital (as a local politician raced to visit immediately - how did they know? The family weren't even informed yet making it a HIPPA crime to keep politicians informed of everything the least evil justification) wasn't reported, they always made it seem like a DOA.
After watching this a few months ago I checked to make sure that I was not registered as a donor. Yeah, The Covid tyranny opened a lot of eyes.
I know someone who was in an accident a few weeks ago and was fighting with the paramedics in the ambulance. Then the hospital put him on fentanyl and a ventilator. He slowly faded into the state of unresponsiveness that fentanyl causes and the hospital declared him brain dead. Then they harvested his organs. I’m positive he would have survived and that he was murdered by the doctors. This should be banned nationwide and we should give it a name like “late stage abortion”.
And doctors that have done it should be prosecuted for murder.
The nurse said they harvest nearly everything including blood vessels, and a person’s body is worth about $10 million to the hospital in the fees they collect from harvesting and transplants.
They don’t harvest live organs from dead people.
I know a man who was severely injured at work. His wife was told he was brain dead. She would not donate and insisted he was treated agressively. He lived and had a good life. Yes, he had brain damage. Yes, he walked with a limp, but he held and loved his grandchildren.
My mother read this book in 1977:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma_(novel)
It's a story about people who go to a hospital, and they induce comas so they can harvest organs.
She warned me to never sign up to be an organ donor.
I will always check the box!!! - And my kids will too. I am not saying there isn't corruption. There is and this should be dealt with. However, my wife is with me here today, and with our kids due to a transplant. I will also second the notion someone else posted on here that brain death does indeed occur. This is the "will not survive if unplugged" decision that unfortunately some have to deal with. However, until you've had the mother of your children and the love of your life saved by a donated liver you don't know. The amount I learned about transplants in general is far greater than anyone that hasn't been through it with a loved one. I am 100% convinced that organ harvesting saves vastly more lives than it takes away due to an intentionally bad reading of being brain dead. The vast majority of doctors are in it for the patients and care about what they are doing. There may be some bad examples here and there or in a sectioned off from the norm nook like Planned Parenthood, but by and large I encourage everyone to CHECK THAT BOX!
I'm happy for you but I'm never checking that box.
2/3 took the vax.....so you are in goo ..numerous company.
Same with you here. My dad got to meet 5 out of 6 of his grandkids because of a donor. Now I just wish he wouldn’t get every vaccine his organ doctor recommended to him
My wife too had a liver transplant. She's still with us thanks to a transplant. We pray for the person who died so she could live. I've heard about that and no doubt with what they did to us over covid, there's not much trust left.
WTF people - 5 downvotes? Y'all need to do some research into the matter I'm thinking. Isn't that what we're about here?
Even when I was oblivious to the evils going on, the concept of organ donation gave me the creeps. I would NEVER check that box. Now I know why.
Telling them at dmv on my new card wasnt enough. New card came with it. I had to find the programs site and remove.
Some of yall genuinely don’t know what you are talking about. Organ donation saves lives out of tragedy. If you want something to complain about, how about 70% of donations are kidneys because we have a diabetic nation? Or, did you know a majority of donors are phenty overdoses? If someone is brain dead chances are their loved ones (if they have any) aren’t going to lose all their money keeping someone tied to machines indefinitely. Sorry if the truth hurts, but this is a much more nuanced topic than this community tends to give it.
Yup i have that removed from my drivers licence and will never consent to it for me or my family. Did you know They have to sedate the people they are butchering because they make noises and pain faces and it was upsetting the murders in the harvest room.
I read somewhere that those involved with the butchering never sign up to be harvested. Would you if you saw the lack of empathy and the rush to butcher for money. While i do feel bad for ppl in need of transplants, if i or my family member has a small chance of pulling through i fucking well want that chance.