It seems to me that the entire Canadian "government" has been a series of dictates from the UK Royals for centuries. There is no actual voting or decision making by We The People of Canada, Eh. It's all what the King or Queen or their heirs decide to do. Oh, and it is all just symbolic according to Grok. 😉😉😉😏
My favorite quote from my conversation with Grok is this one.
For Canada, the King’s presence as head of state is a nod to continuity and tradition. It ties back to the country’s roots as a British colony and its gradual, peaceful evolution into independence, unlike, say, the U.S. with its revolution.
IMO: It's because Canada is still controlled by the UK Monarchy. It's not just a nod to continuity. I think Grok is confused by all this. Adding the answer to your question about Letters Patent just proves the Crown is still in control.
If you want your own country Canada, you need to claim it for yourself, eh!
Feel free to ask more and I will ask Grok on the same thread.
I'm still laughing at Grok's last line.
If you meant a different document—like a provincial or hypothetical one—give me a nudge, and I’ll adjust the lens! Where’d this idea of a voted constitution come from for you?
Its contents are an amalgamation of various codified acts, treaties between the Crown and Indigenous Peoples (both historical and modern), uncodified traditions and conventions.
An uncodified constitution is a type of constitution where the fundamental rules often take the form of customs, usage, precedent and a variety of statutes and legal instruments.[1] An explicit understanding of such a constitution can be developed through commentary by the judiciary, government committees or legal experts. In such a constitutional system, all these elements may be (or may not be) recognized by courts, legislators, and the bureaucracy as binding upon government and limiting its powers. Such a framework is sometimes imprecisely called an "unwritten constitution"; however, all the elements of an uncodified constitution are typically written down in a variety of official documents, though not codified in a single document. However, there may be truly "unwritten" constitutional conventions which while not usually legally enforceable may hold just as much sway as the letter of the law.
An uncodified constitution has the advantages of elasticity, adaptability, and resilience.
In other words, the government can do whatever the hell it wants to the people with ZERO restrictions. They can just adapt to what they want. Hmmm, trucker protest? Seizing bank accounts, arresting peaceful protesters.
It's hard enough to make a government conform to a written constitution that the people actually voted on through Constitutional Conventions. There's no hope for Canada. Sorry. Canada has no Constitution if it can be changed whenever the government wants to change the law on any whim they want.
EDIT:
I asked Grok about the Canadian Constitution and its uncodified nature. What a hot mess. Answers here.
Yup this is a load of crap but we will try to trap Grog.
There is a way. If a country,state or any geographical area with a constitution want to change or upgrade their constitution it is the right of the people at Any given time to do so. Ratification.
If an area without a constitution decide to constitute they can do so at any given time and do not need permission to do so. It is a contract between the individuals and nothing stands above an individual in decision making.
This whole conversation is very important as it could work as the ice breaker freeing a trapped in ice tanker :)
There is hope but the people need to know they can vote on new or ratified constitutional proposal if they choose to. This is the hard part lol Generally they are scared of rocking the boat as Canadian gov is a nasty entity to deal with.
OHH I have a question for Grog. How would the perfect constitution for a Republic look ? Based of already active constitutions cross globe. Hmm this be fun to see :)
Just seen your edit hahaha, wow You are right what a mess. and zero foundational papers anywhere lol
Ok, now do not ask yet, but the 'constitution' Grog leans on hard is a British constitution.
To best of my knowledge there is no such paper. My understanding is that the British constitution is based on 'traditional values' and 'practices' but a people's contract does in fact not exist there as well. Yup huge can of worms here. ok, my friend been a slice but RL calling for a bit. I thank you very much and will return tomorrow.
Keep the questions coming. Grok is a LLM that is most likely searching existing docs highly censored by the crown. So the more questions the more likely we will break through the firewall. At some point, Grok is going to realize we're serious about getting to the bottom of this!
Yup interesting for sure. Thanks for this. I would have asked this as well,
Letters Patent what are they ?
Where are Letters Patent given to present day GG held ?
Is a PM royal since he can issue Letters Patent ?
Did Queen Victoria state in her will to free all dominions ?
Where is the constitution the canadian people voted on held ?
I will now build a coffee and read this again. Thanks again good stuff.
Great additional questions!
I've asked Grok and here are the results.
It seems to me that the entire Canadian "government" has been a series of dictates from the UK Royals for centuries. There is no actual voting or decision making by We The People of Canada, Eh. It's all what the King or Queen or their heirs decide to do. Oh, and it is all just symbolic according to Grok. 😉😉😉😏
My favorite quote from my conversation with Grok is this one.
IMO: It's because Canada is still controlled by the UK Monarchy. It's not just a nod to continuity. I think Grok is confused by all this. Adding the answer to your question about Letters Patent just proves the Crown is still in control.
If you want your own country Canada, you need to claim it for yourself, eh!
u/#Ridetofreedom
ohh crap, just seen this addition, thx man. Back to reading hahaha
Haha, I took your pondering as a direct order.
Feel free to ask more and I will ask Grok on the same thread.
I'm still laughing at Grok's last line.
I totally appreciate your move. Never ment as an order lol. them days are over fren :)
I find answers given generally very insecure lol. We will spend some time on this and get back to you if you good with this
Check out this load of bullshit...
Constitution of Canada
Uncodified constitution
In other words, the government can do whatever the hell it wants to the people with ZERO restrictions. They can just adapt to what they want. Hmmm, trucker protest? Seizing bank accounts, arresting peaceful protesters.
It's hard enough to make a government conform to a written constitution that the people actually voted on through Constitutional Conventions. There's no hope for Canada. Sorry. Canada has no Constitution if it can be changed whenever the government wants to change the law on any whim they want.
EDIT:
I asked Grok about the Canadian Constitution and its uncodified nature. What a hot mess. Answers here.
Yup this is a load of crap but we will try to trap Grog.
There is a way. If a country,state or any geographical area with a constitution want to change or upgrade their constitution it is the right of the people at Any given time to do so. Ratification.
If an area without a constitution decide to constitute they can do so at any given time and do not need permission to do so. It is a contract between the individuals and nothing stands above an individual in decision making.
This whole conversation is very important as it could work as the ice breaker freeing a trapped in ice tanker :)
There is hope but the people need to know they can vote on new or ratified constitutional proposal if they choose to. This is the hard part lol Generally they are scared of rocking the boat as Canadian gov is a nasty entity to deal with.
OHH I have a question for Grog. How would the perfect constitution for a Republic look ? Based of already active constitutions cross globe. Hmm this be fun to see :)
Just seen your edit hahaha, wow You are right what a mess. and zero foundational papers anywhere lol
Ok, now do not ask yet, but the 'constitution' Grog leans on hard is a British constitution.
To best of my knowledge there is no such paper. My understanding is that the British constitution is based on 'traditional values' and 'practices' but a people's contract does in fact not exist there as well. Yup huge can of worms here. ok, my friend been a slice but RL calling for a bit. I thank you very much and will return tomorrow.
Keep the questions coming. Grok is a LLM that is most likely searching existing docs highly censored by the crown. So the more questions the more likely we will break through the firewall. At some point, Grok is going to realize we're serious about getting to the bottom of this!
Absolutely agree. I will spend time with like minded and try to come up with very specific line of questions.
Very grateful you taking time for this. O7